Evidence For God. Really?

The universe is immense. The only tiny spot we know that can sustain life is on Earth. Our existence spans a minuscule fraction of the time Earth will have been around before it gets destroyed by the Sun. If the preposterously small probability of life appearing by chance needs to be demonstrated, we are the living proof.

And even then, we're not all that wonderful. Our "superior" intelligence often remains questionable. We're not even necessarily going to evolve "towards the better" since that would require, according to natural selection, smart people to make more babies than people with lower IQ, for an infinite period of time. Perhaps we're even nearing a peak in terms of global human intelligence.

Considering how the entire universe is filled with chaos and how we're doomed to disappear eventually, how is our absurdly lucky and miserable existence in this universe supposed to serve as evidence for design? The more you look around us, the further you manage to reach out and explore, the more you see how it's actually quite probable that life would happen once in this big mess of colliding galaxies and dying stars.

If some gods really created this chaotic and lifeless universe around us, just to put life on 0.00000000000001% of it, and for such a silly amount of time. If they supposedly did it for us to better enjoy their own supernatural dimension after we die, they're not very skilled at this "creation" stuff. They should quit.

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Most creationist arguments do not describe atheism properly. Atheism simply involves not believing in a god. It's not even something that needs to proven. It's not an ideology. It's not a belief. Neither is it incompatible with agnosticism. Most atheists are agnostic too, because agnosticism follows logic.

It's an absence of belief in a supernatural deity. Nothing particularly special.

Believers are so used to believing in stuff that it's hard for most to grab the simple concept of atheism. One may argue that beliefs are natural. Of course, but they're not to be taken too seriously. Since they lack empirical evidence, they have a high chance of being wrong. Because of his lack of belief in a deity, an atheist could even wish for a god to exist (and have tons of other unrelated beliefs), and remain an atheist. Atheism shouldn't even need a definition. It is the default mindset for any baby when they're born. Also, it's impossible not to be an atheist towards at least a majority of gods. Worshiping all the gods ever invented, all at once, would quickly lead anyone to despair.

But if we're going to argue about something, please try to debate this (without needing any kind of faith-based argument) :

Being unable to prove the non-existence of anything, is perfectly normal, and doesn't prove the existence of something. You can try to reason this way, but will automatically fail, because trying to prove a negative is ridiculous. Being unable to prove a belief wrong changes nothing to the fact that a belief is fallible.

It's about as much of an argument as me saying

Well, you can't prove that I didn't go back in time, *** your mother, and became your father, so it's true.

the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence

Exactly.

theres nothing in religion that says we are the only ones, of all the religions of the world... secondly the idea of god is a beautiful thing, and for you to bash that is pretty ridiculous. im not trying to pass my own views on you, so i will go bout this from a scientific point of view, it is proven that how our galaxy is formed, how our planets are aligned, (gas giants protecting the inner planets and such), how big the earth is, the distance from our planet to the sun to give us just enough heat, and our earths size to keep that heat, our magnetic field to protect us from the suns harmful effects, the fact that water arrived on our planet and created our atmosphere,

in all that, and more,(watch the history channel for god sake!) its quite remarkable that we came to be, and that life is sustainable on our planet, its a miracle in itself. there are possibilities that life is out there in the vastness that is space and time, and to believe that its not is a waste. most religions believe that we are a special idea, and that god created more life out there, for that matter so do scientists.

the fact tho is, that there are a super *** ton of variables that all have to fit perfectly to make life and to keep life on a planet, all the way down to the molecular level, that process is a special event , and probably doesn't happen very often, but it probably has happened

There is no such thing as "evidence of absence". It not even a logical statement. Might as well say "Nothing is an evidence of absence." And what does it prove? Not much, unfortunately.

actually it makes perfect sense!

Nothing can be proven until god comes down in the god mobile and says hey folks, im god, then all the religions of the world get all antsy and complain about him/her/it not being in their vision etc etc and the world explodes. The end

WTF do your threads prove, stfu with these, I hope someone kills you with fire

How many more religion threads are you going to make?

"Our "superior" intelligence often remains questionable. We're not even necessarily going to evolve "towards the better" since that would require, according to natural selection, smart people to make more babies than people with lower IQ, for an infinite period of time. Perhaps we're even nearing a peak in terms of global human intelligence."

-Unprovable, it may with time, but it is also unforeseeable by us.

"Considering how the entire universe is filled with chaos and how we're doomed to disappear eventually, how is our absurdly lucky and miserable existence in this universe supposed to serve as evidence for design? "

-Have you been to other solar systems or galaxies? Do you know this for a fact? If so I would love to hear your theories on this.

"It's an absence of belief in a supernatural deity. Nothing particularly special."

-Actually it isn't an "absence of belief" it is a belief that there is no supernatural deity.

"Believers are so used to believing in stuff that it's hard for most to grab the simple concept of atheism."

-Really so believers aren't capable of other concepts?

"Being unable to prove the non-existence of anything, is perfectly normal, and doesn't prove the existence of something. You can try to reason this way, but will automatically fail, because trying to prove a negative is ridiculous."

-"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" (Gin Rummy from The Boondocks)... you could argue both sides until you're blue in the face and never win, it still doesn't mean your side is right.

"People, long time ago, started trying to explain things, and came up with supernatural explanations because they had no better explanations."

Do you know that for a fact? That is just a theory, maybe the people of the past with good cause began to believe in something.

"There is an infinity of things you could claim but could not prove. Being unable to prove a belief wrong changes nothing to the fact that a belief is fallible."

Yes I can agree, that you cannot prove your belief is true and that it is not fallible.


EDIT: I apologize for not using the "quote" function but it was not bringing up the text from the OP when I clicked on it.

RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!

The possibility of other lifeforms somewhere doesn't void the known fact that the chance is absurdly small.
Most of the universe is chaos, if you take it as a whole. But you'll keep saying it is designed?

To believe in God, you need to take the bits of scientific facts that suit you and leave out the rest. Reread yourself, if you can.
You also have to pick out the bits of religion that suit your own moral standards (if you followed all of it, you'd be in prison).
The life of a believer must be pretty tough.

Something that a preacher asked my Father in Law before he became Christian:

If you go through your life believing that there's a God, there's Heaven, You'll be rewarded for being a good person when you die etc and then you die, and you find that it doesn't exist, what have you lost?

Nothing, you might have felt a little foolish but no harm done right?

If you go through life not believing that there's a God, casting off the idea of heaven, and being an *** because you think there's going to be no consequence, and then you die, you find that everything you pushed aside existed, what have you lost then?

Everything

Can you prove that? No you can't. Where is your proof that most of the universe is chaos.

1 billion light years away our solar system would nothing but a small light to someone else. Go figure.

Nothing about the OP particularly bashes religion. It's actually fairly logical, since too many religious people try to equate atheism with faith. It doesn't require faith to NOT believe in something, it simply requires an absence of belief.

I wonder, do you go on pro-religious threads and ask the same question? Or do you only reserve it for threads questioning religion? 8)

im just wondering how do you know the chance of other lifeforms somewhere is small? they don't need to be lifeforms that live off of water and oxygen, can't they breath Nitrogen and drink mercury?

I don't know why your so obsessed with proving that there's no god. I'm pretty sure this is at least the 2nd thread you've created to discuss it. It seems to me like you're just trying to get attention. If you're content with your beliefs and other people aren't attacking you for it I don't know why you need to create threads to rant about other peoples choice of beliefs.

There is no such thing as an absence of belief. Atheism is the belief that there is no supernatural being or God or afterlife. IT'S STILL A BELIEF.

There is such a thing of absence of belief; it's called total ignorance. If you raised a child in isolation and he never knew about death or religion and such, he would never think about it, therefore he would have an absence of belief.

you absolutely dont have to take out bits of fact to suit your and leave out the rest, you can have faith, and be scientific, and i dont have to reread myself, ***, the life of a believer is not tough its great, thats what faith is all about, i believe in a scientific approach to how things were created, etc. because no one should take the bible literally, however there are things that cannot be explained and for that i have my faith.... dont be an ***!

Fair enough, and at least it's a logical argument. However, Atheism is a belief.

No, atheism is the lack of a belief, that is what the word means. A theist believes, an atheist does not.

EDIT: It is very much possible to not believe in something without having a belief in another. This is semantics however and goes by what you consider a belief.

If I were to say that I don't believe in god, the same could be said that I believe that there is no god. But then it could then be turned around to say, I can't believe in the absence of god because I do not believe in god.

Both are technically correct, but my original statement stands. Atheism in its meaning is as the opposite of theism.

wat do you call it when you dont believe in atheism

OP if your going to create threads just to bring people down, and bash other beliefs because you are confused about your own, you should consider doing it somewhere else, no one needs to hear your ***

For OP

If OP is really bothered by religion, he should feel free to end his life and see if there is or isn't a God. Just a thought.

I have an obnoxious kitten 'what's-goin-on-in-this-thread' picture reserved in my pm's for just such situations as this. I almost pulled it out, but bleh. It's not even worth it. This is the 9,286,746th thread about religion, and it's just beating a dead horse. Really, it is.