Guns Vs Bows

Been trying to figure out where Guns full into place.

Are they only used for End Game/HNM stuff, or could they be used for "casual" play?

Can Guns be done on the cheap or does it need to be Hellfire +1 w/ Silver Bullets?

Should I not worry about Guns till End Game?

If I want to "casual" play, camp NM, quests/missions, etc, should I just stick with Selene's, Scorp/Demon or can Gun be done on the cheap and still produce good numbers?

I'm sorry if this has been discussed already, didn't see a Topic about it.

Guns are COR ONRY ;)

I'm becoming an endgame RNG (mainly for certain events) and I think that if you want to have both, thats fine.

Bows for merits, guns for high-end damage.

sorry but i have to ask.. why? i mean unless you have capped archery and marksmanship why would you carry all 3 types?

Unless you are using relic gun drop the rest. Get a 6 hit build for a Selenes or E-Bow, you will put out alot of damage. Get a Light gorget for sidewinder/arching arrow. The 6-hit I personally use is rajas, hachiryu legs and feet, rose strap. And as far as ranger in end game. Must at Dark Ixion, good in sky(lol), all right on JoL, mediocre on KB. Any other event they can be out done by a war or a sam (that knows what they are doing). If you manage to get a 6 hit build, I recommend full timing a Novia.

i have Vbow and Obow, i always carry both and have acid/bloody bolts all the time as i play thf alot. but their really is no point carrying a gun unless you have capped marksmanship and decent gear for zergs or multi hit for tp, they are waaaay to slow imo

/sam alone gives 6hit with Vbow and novia on its own is not enough minus enmity to save you from pulling hate.. you also forgot to mention RNG versus Odin.

what self respecting ranger doesn't have marksmanship and archery capped?

i think capped was meant to be aimed at merits.... and i dont know any RNG that has marks and achery merits capped

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There isn't really a right or wrong answer for this one. They're both perfectly acceptable, both absolutely awesome and both powerful. At the top of its potential, though, Ranger will produce more DoT using Hellfire +1 over all other weapons, assuming equivalent gear. The difference is nothing to cry home about, but just be aware if you do decide to stick with bows, that you could get slightly better results using a Hellfire +1. Easier to six hit also, although I don't see as many RNG/SAM on Lakshmi as I should like. =\

There is always the fact Silver Bullets are quite more expensive (nearly twice as much per stack) than arrows though. Price is always a factor to a lot of people. But generally, whilst it's not so much a big difference to worry about, by all technicalities Hellfire +1 is the superior weapon (even over E/VBow), but not by a huge amount.

(Not really considering relics, if you have to ask which to use if you have a relic bow or gun, you're an idiot; and if you have both, you're an even bigger idiot.)

I only use a gun.

Before I completed Ferdinand I had a hellfire+1. When I completed Annihilator I pretty much stop using all off the following:

Comet Tail = for capping throwing skill or farming on Ranger.
Fay Gendawa = for 4 hour dynamis when i got tired of spending lots of gil on silver bullets.
Loxley Bow = for pulling in dynamis or NM claiming.
Othinus' Bow = Status Bolts + Holy bolts and WS in DS = damage just as good as bow or gun.

Honestly anyone that fulltimes Ranger and understands the strength and weakness of each weapon should know why you carry all the weapons.

The biggest difference between Anni and Yochi is hate control. You can stay lower on the hate list than everyone else. Yochi's advantage is greater chance to full hit with your barrages and you can use it on sam.

Guns make loud noises, automatically making them the best choice.

BANG! > thwap?

If youre a RNG and dont have capped archery/marksmanship....
Then Imma just go Over there >.>
I agree I carry 2 Bows, 2 Xbows and a gun on my RNG usually
/agreee

Damn right!

I carry Ebow/O.bow on me at all times, although I rarely bring out o.bow, its nice to have for when you do want to.
But I also dont have any marksmanship merits, only archery.

Show up to Dark Ixion /sam tell me how that goes. Yea RNG is awesome for Odin, Sarameya, and Pandemonium Warden as well. A Novia will help your situation. With a BRD and COR no, a tank wont hold hate off of you. But what separates boys from men on ranger are the people who can put out alot of damage and not die/get others killed. To my last point, if you show up to something /sam on ranger you need to have badass tanks, put +21 store tp on and you have a 5-hit build aka kicking *** and taking names.

Many time carrying all 3 has saved my life- Bloody Bolts are great for medium difficulty mobs. I just started using Hellfire+1, just wanna say its great but really sucks on Dark Ixion.

Using bow is much better on him..

I could do DI /sam with a 5 hit Annihilator build and I do just fine. I went /nin because it was my first time. If I would have been in a party with a COR and SAM I could have had a 4 hit build with SAM roll pretty easily reguardless of the roll number.

Pfft Culverin +1 onry. Cannons all the way. xD

Guns go pew pew pew, so I think they win :3

Pretty much what all the better people are saying. Gun > Bow.

I mainly end game, and Find that Guns > Bow for many things, but Bow is great when you need to be out of a aoe range and still keep decent damage. I also like Xbow when fighting mobs week to Holy.

So its best said by Jetzable: "As a RNG, its useful to have every tool at your disposal. I try to carry around bow, xbow and gun. But sometimes the inventory space for ammo can get a little overwhelming."

BTW, buy all your ammo in 12 stack bags/quivers, then not such a big issue and you save money in the long run.

Bow puts up better numbers if your Ranger gear isn't the greatest. Arrows are cheaper and typically come with 5 rng acc. They also fire faster than guns.

I suppose it all comes down to DoT dmg vs WS dmg. However, from what I have heard, guns come up on top when the two forms of damage are combined, which is what one would generally want to go for. However, it's a game, and as long as you can do your part as a DD, do what is best suited to yourself.

If your out of optimum bow range and gun range how does bow>gun damage? I guess you have to run in farther with gun to hit optium range for Weaponskill but then again sidewinder doesn't hit from over 15 steps away either. On the other hand relic weaponskills hit from alot farther away.