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20k seems pretty pulled out of a hat. there are a total of 108,235 active characters using the AH on ffxi. obviously we will never have an accurate number of the current subs for ffxi because it is not something SE shares, but I would venture a guess that 108,235 boils down to more than 20k


heres the data minimum income calculation that is in the database tab of this site:

It is pulled out of a hat. I posted a site that shows significantly more than that.

no reason to make a bad guess when that ffxiah.com has the data to support a high number ffxiah database.

This site only accounts for 10% of total characters and relies on AH use. MMO Pop shows over 1M "characters" and and 78k active characters.

Some characters are mules, some do not use the AH, some only use the AH.

While neither is super correct, that other site is grossly inaccurate. It even disagrees with itself on it's own pages.

Different stats.

Either way, unless we ask SE, we won't have 100% accurate data. But you cannot go by stats that only account for a small % sample size and certain circumstances to even account for that.

but you can use it to determine the minimum which is in this case is solid enough for an argument. with the we have ffxiah.com clear traceability of how the data is collected and it's short comings.

I can't find the info on the traceability for the site you linked, but I also cant seem to click a link without being redirected to another site so having a hard time navigating the page.

MMO-population is a complete nonsense website, they just pull numbers from wherever.

Anyone can make a website and put numbers on it, doesn't have to be accurate. It just needs to make ad-revenue.

While this place is cool and has good uses, it’s population data is probably the least reliable of any site.

Do you have evidence of this?

Yes and no. It's parameters are just too large.

Tracks auction house activity, this is something everyone does. It just cant tell a salesmule from a main. easy fixes really if it were just changing some variables in the tracker.


being that their own numbers conflict with... their own numbers, that's pretty good proof.

If you're going to sockpuppet, don't do it for something that'll make me notice, Mattelot.

Our data is pulled directly from auction house transactions - the actual game. The math blurb on the database page is there to paint a picture of the absolute minimum population, to convey the fact that the game is still financially viable. I've never claimed it to be representative of overall population. That said, it's at least an objective measure, so until I see some methodology for anyone else's methods, suggesting it's not the best we have is just flat out stupid.

Can you show what numbers you believe conflict?

The "rank" is even different. it's 25 on the main page and 37 on the XI page.

78k active players. That many log in per day. Those are not the same thing. Some have mules that they do not log into every day.

I have 3 storage mules. I may log 1 in every other day to transfer stuff. So that would be 1 active player and sometimes 2-3 daily players. I know others who have a dozen mules.

Actually, I think it's up to mmo-population (and those sourcing it) to provide evidence that it's numbers are valid, not those questioning the validity.

They're simply providing data. They're not making any claims. They're not trying to invalidate someone's data. If someone is saying they're pulling random numbers, that person is responsible for proving they are.

I played Conan Exiles for years, it peaked at 50k daily users on steam and averages around 12k a day now. Not 500k, that's ridiculous.

FF14 has never ever been above 1 million active players, it's not hard to figure this out. Not far after launch they stated all their games combined had around 1million active players. Since then, they have added no new servers so unless they invented special mega servers (they didn't) the game has not gone above that peak and certainly not to the 2.4m it says.

Also there are scrape sites that do what the database here does here and they show it averages around 400-700k depending on expansions, updates etc Numbers might be off a bit but they fluctuate around those numbers.

There is no way Star Trek Online has 200k daily players either, not even close.

FFXI is probably around 40-50k, based on the database here.

Ultimately, you can tell it's nonsense because how did they get these numbers? They don't say and the companies don't give this out so there is no way they can have it for all those games. I saw one website that did something similar to this and they calculated player numbers by checking how many people were joined to each reddit sub for the games.

All they do is take numbers from any source they can online, accurate or not.

If Joe Blow comes in here and copies and pastes your comment and inserts completely different numbers, does that make him right?

Your numbers are anecdotal at best. Not saying you may or may not be right.

Steamcharts give numbers of players including peaks, which are taken directly from steam.

The other ones I stated the reasoning.

Steamcharts only tracks steam. Not all games are played on Steam.

I played Conan Exiles for a long time, it's not that popular on consoles at all because it's near broken.

Ultimately though, if a website wants have any kind of credibility they have to tell you how they got those numbers. They don't, they just say "estimates"

And many of us have played FFXI for a long time yet we can't seem to agree on how many people play. Being popular is subjective.

They don't always have to tell you up front how they acquired their data. That doesn't always validate it either just because not every person will accept or feel the method of acquisition is good or bad.

Point being that they're not making claims. Someone saying that they're just making up numbers is a claim that needs backed up. Otherwise, it just sounds salty.

Always good when I can sneak this meme in due to its relevance and not trigger the Politics and Religion deletion.

https://mmo-population.com/charts/players

Your parenthesis comments are assumptions.

Why not email them and ask some specifics if it bothers you so much to discredit them.

Interesting take, so if I say you kick 12 puppies every day, I am not making any claims? feels like I claimed you kick 12 puppies a day with no evidence other than say... I leaned heavily in the "online sentiment" from my data pool to reach 12 puppies.

There is a difference between claims and statistics. Surely you know that...

Yeah this just isn't true. Guild Wars 2 and Elder Scrolls Online are very different games from World of Warcraft. BnS and Tera have much different combat even though they have some similarities.


I mean, the dude took an absolutely failed main-entry Final Fantasy game and turned it into Square-Enix's second-most profitable game ever. And he has been smart at looking at the ways Blizzard has failed with World of Warcraft and not doing those same things, while appealing to jaded or burnt-out WoW players. And for what it's worth something like 100m people have played WoW... why wouldn't another MMO dev target those people, versus FFXI which probably has at-most 5-10% of that number of players all-time?

I don't fall into the "FFXIV is the end-all" MMO crowd but you are greatly diminishing what Yoshi-P did with FFXIV. Did you play 1.0? It *** sucked. And XIV now at 5.45 is widely considered the best game in the genre.