It's That Time Again!

They actually have banned quite a few people for bidder, I lost some AH mules to it early last year. They have autobans for spamming the AH faster than is legitimately possible, and have even during the periods where enforcement was zilch. So, good catch there.

I'd still shove it into tier 1. If there's a tier 0, it'd be stuff like medalgate that all but guarantees you'll be banned.

from the perspective of the receiving instance it is just as much automation as any of the others, and no game dev is going to distinguish it just because it's user initiated on a per-command basis

Maybe there's a fundamental disagreement with the term "automation" here.

OH REALLY?

He's clearly saying don't use banable tools if you don't want to get banned. He's not a hypocrit for telling people not to use them. He just doesn't care if he gets banned.

Without diving into this too deeply, there is such a thing as a conditional statement.

If you do not want to risk a ban, you should not use insert tools here.

The instance is acting without user input. If they were to ever add something to check for input manipulation, things like send and fastfollow would appear similarly to bots. This could be something as simple as a 'is this instance currently in focus?' check when a command is fed through anything other than a macro.

You can argue about the usage of automation, but from the perspective of the receiving instance it is still input that was not generated legitimately.

Dude, *** off.

Is english not your first language, or do you just have a very poor comprehension of it? Consequences are not always viewed the same between people.

I've never been banned but thanks for your concern.

If his FFXI streams and videos became the most prominent modern showcase for the game it would cause issues.

They are NOT willing/able to update the game in a MEANINGful way for interface or say... Direct X 11~12, or the menu's etc...
but at the same time, they still want all the subscribers.

not being able to see why send is in a sketchier territory than other addons means you have no understanding of how it works.

In my opinion you answered your own question.


The reason the community used to be much stronger is because you didn't have a large chunk of players playing full party/partial alliances of semi-automated bots with legendary gear, making anyone that isn't your BFF only worthwhile to you as a source of Gil.

It's the same reason SE made trusts relatively weak. If they were too strong there would be no need to team up with anyone else. I think their philosophy for the game is they want players working together, trusts are supposed to be a last resort if you can't find anyone, multiboxing typically is not used in that way.

Dude, *** off.

The instance is acting without user input. If they were to ever add something to check for input manipulation, things like send and fastfollow would appear similarly to bots. This could be something as simple as a 'is this instance currently in focus?' check when a command is fed through anything other than a macro.

You can argue about the usage of automation, but from the perspective of the receiving instance it is still input that was not generated legitimately.

Without diving into this too deeply, there is such a thing as a conditional statement.

If you do not want to risk a ban, you should not use insert tools here.

It is not hypocritical to say that, while also using those tools. This is an issue of linguistics, and whether or not you agree with Tsm it is not very hard to understand. Nearly everyone is always taking some level of risk in this game, when you look at the endgame population a significant majority of them use banworthy tools. Whether SE chooses to ban for these tools, who knows.

I would personally break it into 3 tiers:
Tier 1(moderate risk, verified to cause bans): Position alteration, Speed alteration, automated play

Tier 2(low risk, not verified, but i still wouldn't talk about them ingame chat): pretty much anything tsm listed, and yes i would put send in there.. from the perspective of the receiving instance it is just as much automation as any of the others, and no game dev is going to distinguish it just because it's user initiated on a per-command basis

Tier 3(i would be shocked if anyone got banned for these): windower/ashita themselves, ui and input modifications for the same instance, anything that doesn't directly send keypresses or modify/send packets

If you use anything in tier 1, you are in the ban lotto every time it happens, period. If you use anything in tier 2, there is some risk you may be banned down the road. If you use anything in tier 2 and talk about it or stream it then that risk increases substantially.

edit: beaten, but whatever i'm leaving it

You honestly come across aggressive to anyone. You do it in every thread honestly, maybe you need to take a break. Altho he probably has me blocked.

Indeed, post count = authority to be a deuche around here more often than not. (At least in their own minds)

so what you saying is, I should bot the forum, to raise my post count, so I can freely be a deuche?

They clearly haven't cracked down on it yet

so what you saying is, I should bot the forum, to raise my post count, so I can freely be a deuche?

Took me 2 months of reporting of one notorious bidder and he's finally gone.

With bidder, using it to bot the AH and price fix, is pretty obvious and needs addressed. Look into the key words there though, price fixing with bots. Botting.....

Everytime one of these threads pops up, it's either botting or flee hacking 99% of the time.

That said, vanilla is your safe bet. We all know this, harping on it is pretty *** grade school.