Gungnir

Trying to pass Gungnir off as a #1 DPS weapon for anything is just wrong. Your other DD sucked or your alliance wasn't using proper buffs.

Stalwarts doesn't solve acc issues in Prov, your DD will still need a madrigal or serious gear changes, some of which aren't possible in some TP setups.

Why is that always the mindset. "Gungnir isn't good, your other DD's just sucked." Is it so hard for you people to beleive that DRG actually does good damage versus a Ukkon WAR or an Amano SAM?

Well, mathematical data based in facts and reality tells us otherwise.

Parse data in controlled settings with equally geared players tells us otherwise.

So that has a lot to do with the mindset.

lol @ VW parses.

And said data is where?

Let's just assume Ukon's white damage is higher, since it is and this is a fact no one will refute. None of you have gearsets, so I will assume 200STR for Stardiver and best case for buffs/same variables.

Ukko's
263(baseD)*3.1(ftp)*2.812(pdif)*1.10(wsdmg)=2520
263*2*2.812=1479
3999

Stardiver
346(baseD)*3.93125(ftp)*2.49375(pdif)*1.07(wsdmg)
3628

Quick! Add in the extra 200-360 damage from Wyvern breaths per ws! Psh if only they didn't get resisted so hard, would be a nice way for DRG to makeup some WS damage.

Serious question, does it (the wyvern) survive more than one aoe tp move from anything significant?

Well, my wyvern has survived the whole run for the last three Mul runs in legion. But that may be more a testament to our stunners ability than to my wyverns survivability.

He does get hit though, Aoe melee hits, Ga spells, and the occasional TP move. Between Spirit link and steady wing I can usually keep him up.

Ok, so WAR's will WS for more. Now factor in the wyvern (as posted above) And set procs from lancers.

lol

Wyverns really do no damage and war has a better set proc. War's white damage is better, and their ws damage is better.

What else is there? :|

He's trolling, look at his other posts. Or, he's approaching Rosina levels of derp.

I only posted WS damage so people weren't misled.

Stardiver fTP with Gorget Belt and Earring is: 1.0375 per hit (4); secondly it get's even better at 300% TP.

Surprised this is "missed"

Cheers.

No it's not.

(.84375-.75)/4 + .95 = .9734375

I am actually confused with your WS numbers, where are you getting you figures from exactly?

EDIT: May have been a little confusing who I was directing my question towards, thought I quoted when I originally posted

*Sigh* Don't even know why I bother defending DRG people people that are so jaded twords it as a DD job.

Sorry for the necrobump.

Geirskogul has its uses. It's a 3.,0 fTP which at least makes it as good as Sonic Thrust(which hits for about 1500-2.5k on fodder, but Geirskogul gets a damage boost) so it's at least reliable as a good single hit ws against mobs with high *** eva I suppose. Also it's good for lowman content like Salvage/Meebles since your can self skillchain with it. Geirskogul>Stardiver makes Darkness which is pretty nice.

Three things that could make Gungnir really good, if not decent.

1) Letting the ODD proc on Jumps. Seriously why can Yoichi/Annihilator proc on Barrage but Gung's doesn't proc on Jumps?

2) (This goes for all relic weapons) letting the Additional Effect debuff be a unique status so it procs with others. This could go for Apoc's Blind, Amano's Attack Down etc. Let all of these be unique and 'surpass the cap' for attack,evasion,accuracy,defense down. Just like Aegis and Burtgang can surpass MDT/PDT caps, let Gungnir surpass Def Down Cap by letting it stack with other def downs.

3) Changing the aftermath to a 10% proc Enthunder animation that deals slashing damage equal to 25% of the wyvern's current HP. Basically an Excalibur-like bonus.

None of that would make Gungnir decent. It would still be remarkably inferior to Ryunohige, which still isn't much of a threat to first string DD against anything that has a lick of defense

But one year necros are coolio

Really? You don't think with food, minuets, chaos roll, dia II and angon that drg/sam could cap pdif on Legion mobs? I don't know how much defense Paramount mobs have now, but motenten's spreadsheet has a level 120 Ig-Alima listed with 750 defense. I know that's not a legion mob but it should give a ballpark of the def we're dealing with. With proper buffs any halfway decent DRG can get ~1300-1400 attack and 750 defense with Dia II with Light Shot and Angon applied is probably a ~40% defense down i.e 450 defense. Should be capped attack on that. Can't see Legion mobs having much more def than top tier VW mobs since VW mobs would logically have more due to atmacites/temps available.

Also they're lowering their defense in a patch soon.

Lol!!! Saying Ryu isn't much of a threat. Clearly never seen one!!

Kaparu owns a Ryu...

Hi Shay.

Love it when DRG is considered a bad DD from WS DMG alone... Even though DRG can almost put out twice the amount of ws's as a WAR can in the same time due to jumps and meditate... DRG will never be as good as SE's "flavour of the month" job, but it has potential and the relic is still a nice weapon. Also Ryuno > Gung but at the end of the day Ryuno is 6x harder to get than Gung and takes a significant amount of time and work that most players wont be able to give up for a game, so for what it is, Gungnir is good for DRG.

Don't suppose you have any math to back up those wild claims?

Me? I have parse results with me keeping up with sams in amount of WS's (only 2 or 3 behind) and getting almost same overall DMG as WAR, if not more. Ukon WS DMG is higher than stardiver but then it would be. Oh and btw I'm not talking about lolVW where everyone has insane regain and temps. But really I could post any parse results I have and you'd still all say DRG is sh*t, just the way it goes with people these days. If you're not flavour of the month job you're not considered good, always has been that way. I have nothing to prove so I'm not gonna, I'll let someone else do that.