Upheaval Thoughts

Oh ***, and I thought my small samples were the reason ukko sucked bad on Morta!

Is fort torque ever a better option than ele gorget in acc-needed situations?

Sorry for the necro. But i wanted to comment on the discussion about Mul wave 2+ mobs that Ukon is inferior to a Rag War due to the -crit mob traits. While i find this true in some situations, like in the event of a low amount of buffs aka chaos/fighters/x2min or a job setup that other dds wouldn't benefit from using bloodrage. That being said i feel Ukon in the right situation proves to be superior weapon even with said mobs. What situation is that you say? One that involves having 3 of the 4 dd being Ukon wars receiving chaos/fighters/rogues/hunters, x3 min/madrigal cycling bloodrage and weapon skilling in 15% crit gear(heca legs/war mask/rancor mantle/grip) (this situation is from experience btw). Rough estimate i seen shot around is -40% crit mob trait. If thats the case Bloodrage and Ukko's 100% alone will leave you @ 0% then your looking @ 15% gear+ 2%-19% rogues roll (hope you have a good cor)+ any tp overflow%(embrava/mediate during anydown time/running). Not to mention Embrava events are very favorable for maintaining ODD level 2-3. From my experience/setup my performance on Ukon has beaten my Rag dmg even with 3mins(2 ghorned). Before you say this setup is unrealistic or inferior it has been very successful for a friend that uses 2 cors to buff his damage dealers they recently cleared 5 wave 3 mobs this past sunday so i would say its viable tactic. Strictly talking Rag war Vs Ukon War, as i seen how well Rag drks perform in mul. Sure alot of you know war's power versus Paramount Botulus hence the heavy War setup.

I've accumulated some data on Upheavals in wave 2 and 3, using the below set (which I haven't exactly put a ton of thought into optimizing, I mostly just use what I have on-hand to get good acc and some VIT/Attack). Ukon is 99 for the comparison purposes.



On our last 2 Mul runs (the only clean ones I have), the 6 200-300 TP Ukko I opened fights with to put up AM averaged 1750, and the 25 Upheavals I used afterwards averaged 1850. I've only been playing front liners for about 6 months so I'm finding my rythm, as is my Legion LS, and this is obviously no conclusive sample size, so I won't make any grand assertions. The conclusion I feel comfortable drawing is that this means I'd need at least 200 TP to get an Ukko to do comparable damage to an ASAP Upheaval.

While I'm posting, thoughts on that Upheaval set? I'm thinking it's a little low on Acc, might swap in an Ele Belt, Gorget, or Ambuscade. Are there any Eva figures (or alternatively, known Acc targets) for Legion mobs?

Something to dream for:

Obviously a different grip if in Legion.


One factor we might be overlooking for Mul is that not only do Mobs get -crit trait, but also a -crit damage trait. I have no concrete proof of this, but it's something that would logically explain why Ragna/Reso and Upheaval seem to be out performing Ukon/Ukko's even when fulltiming BR.

Well, we already know of some mobs to have "Critical Defense Bonus," so it's really not all that unlikely.

With -crit rate and -crit dmg stats potentially on mobs, wouldn't that increase the value of Restraint against those monsters? Once again reaffirming that Warrior is awesome?

Restraint has always been worthwhile since they made it not worthless lol.

Came here for some ideas for gear sets... 90% of what I found was a bunch of people derailing with Ukon > Ragnarok / Ragnarok > Ukon arguments. How about making a separate thread for that and keeping it in there instead of derailing every WAR thread? Also, upheaval set ideas for Bravura? (Legion/ADL/Prov)

Here is what i use, still cant get my hands on Dilaram's Sollerets -_-

This is what I currently use, what would be worthwhile upgrades aside from the obvious? (Phorcys hands/legs, terra's earring, or Huginn if I ever get lucky) Currently use light belt as I've heard conflicting stories about windbuffet, any math wiz able to give confirmation as to one or the other?

yeah Huginn hands, legs, and feet if you got the over 300-400mil to throw at it.

If you dont need the acc from ele belt, warwolf, moonshade earring with TP bonus, valk or shadow bp for body with TA augs. Dont know why you would need rose strap either for upheaval on war unless you are trying to 5 hit or something?

I thought phorcys body was > ares since the 7% was seen to greater then 9 vit? (3rd piece would net you and extra 3 vit)

I would think Phorcys > Ares's. The only time I've seen a body aside from Phorcy's suggested was using augmented Kirin's under Mighty Strikes. I thought Moonshade would beat Soil/Terra Earring as well. And yeah, Phorcy's hands blah blah blah.

I use Ares atm because I have 0 Phorcys gear. I am using the rose strap atm for a 5-hit.

This is my set , just looking to get some input on it, and what i can change

Apathy Gorget

ya i was using that until a few days, wanted to play around with neck , adds att for only losing a few vit

Pbody/Ares if you don't need accuracy, Twilight is a good tradeoff if you do.
Phorcys is first hit only, and I doubt it's worth the loss in VIT.

It looks like Apathy wins for fodder always and logically as you get more and more buffs for harder content (assuming you start hitting atk/acc cap). So change it up depending on if you're going for NNI type stuff (Apathy) or Legion (Fort). And then, as said before, augmented Valkyrie's breastplate and Huginn feet to optimize it. Just using Mote's sheet for comparison.

How does Windbuffet stack up against Warwolf? What about Spiral vs a second Terrasoul?

Upheaval Set

This is my set, i prefer the Accuracy and Vit over Phorcys as its a 100% Vit Mod.

I use Phorcy's Feet due to no Dilaram Feet, Warwolf / apathy or Torque/belt depending on what i'm fighting / Zone i'm in.

Moonshade has Tp bonus and Acc on it.

Could get ares+1 feet while you pray for Dilaram.

Yeh was thinking that Trying to make a pair of Huginn feet thoughy, phorcys aren't to bad as the 3 piece bonus is good along with the acc and DA

Yes nice! this thread is back on track! :D Am having some issues getting hold of dillirams at the moment. why pil drop toci's x3 but not the boots?

I had the same issue.
Ended up with 5 tocis (one of them on mule) before I saw boots. -_-

The pain :| makes me want to level dark knight! all this self consuming hate :((

Would love some feedback. I'm a taru with max str merits. How about Salvage II gear? Seems Aries II pieces don't compete with Huggin pieces. Merry Christmas!! XD

This stuff has pretty much already been said on the last few pages...
Warwolf belt, Moonshade > Terra's pearl > that thing on your ear

Ares+1 Body == Valkyrie's BP(ta3 augs) depending on buffs > twilight == nq ares' > phorcys body

7% ws dmg only applies to the first hit and its tossing away a big chunk of vit to do so.