God Did Not Create The Universe, Says Hawking

sooo theism isn't considered to be religion now?
i am confuse.

Theism is part of many religions but not all theists are religious.

If you were to find out your friend got a dream job, say going to another galaxy, but you'd never be able to contact/see them again due to nature of the job. How would you feel? I'm sure you could be sad, or even happy because they're doing something that makes them happy. I would be willing to bet you wouldn't feel grief. Say after he/she takes off on said job, you find out the ship exploded, do your feelings change? I think they do. This would make no sense considering either way you'd never get to see/contact them again.

If you sincerely believe paradise waits in the afterlife, then you must by necessity think death is a good thing, and by contrast life is not.

I do believe reason and emotions are integrated. I believe the thought experiment shows the rationality of emotion.

To add something serious, nobody believes in heaven.

The grieving process isn't even necessarily in regards to how well off someone is since they have an "afterlife"
It's more to the effect with dealing with the loss of a loved one IE the inability to speak with them all that.
The concept of heaven is more or less one more thing that assists in the coping process.
Survival instinct gone haywire :D

Pile on more BS to prove my point? Didn't you want me to prove my point?


I don't really think you're understanding, the thought experiment actually addresses all of this.

Nice to see this still going.

What are we arguing about today?

Arguing is OK, this thread is interesting, if you see some of the opinions. Jaerik's the best of all.

IE you not proving your point but saying a whole bunch of other ***to further illustrate your point?
I might have not said it in the nicest way but that's essentially what you're doing.
I prove whatever you say to be ineffective, you post a whole bunch of other ***to further attempt to prove your point.

Well prove it to me if you want, I already tore down other things you spouted.
I'll disprove what you say in turn if it's not correct, just saying.

If you were to find out your friend got a dream job, say going to another galaxy, but you'd never be able to contact/see them again due to nature of the job. How would you feel? I'm sure you could be sad, or even happy because they're doing something that makes them happy. I would be willing to bet you wouldn't feel grief. Say after he/she takes off on said job, you find out the ship exploded, do your feelings change? I think they do. This would make no sense considering either way you'd never get to see/contact them again.

If you sincerely believe paradise waits in the afterlife, then you must by necessity think death is a good thing, and by contrast life is not.

I do believe reason and emotions are integrated. I believe the thought experiment shows the rationality of emotion.

Dealing in absolutes just doesn't work man

Just for your information, Arabs created:

* mirrors
* carpets
* cotton for clothing
* ships compasses
* writing paper
* slippers
* wheelbarrows
* mattresses
* chess
* Arabic figures 0-9
* pain killing drugs
* algebra
* irrigation
* chemistry
* the colour scarlet
* water wheels
* water clocks

So I'm smarter than all of y'all lawl~

Arguing is OK, this thread is interesting, if you see some of the opinions. Jaerik's the best of all.

Go create me a sandwich

The only thing you're proving to me is that you either have comprehension/understanding issues, or English is your seventh language.

What do you think I was attempting to do by posting this:


I thought that was an attempt to prove it to you.

Is that not an absolute itself?

I replied to that attempt, it didn't further illustrate your point, you just branched off into some random hypothetical. Just because you believe reason and emotion are "integrated" does not validate your original point that "nobody truly believes in the afterlife"

try again.

You may have technically replied in the sense that you hit quote and typed some words, but you didn't actually respond to anything. You called it BS to further prove my point, which you didn't not agree with, you just don't like that I used the word nobody.

Obiwan, you need to stop.

idk
ethics makes a lot of sence to me in a lot of things he says.

Everyone makes sense to you unless they are disagree with you Darki :/ You can take this as an exaggeration if you like. Why do you feel you have to comment on how much Ethics makes sense? What's your take on this, do you believe that he is correct? Why do you believe he is correct? All that. Or are you just being passive aggressive?

If someone agrees with you, do you ask them why they agree with you or just take it as they understand the perspective your coming from?? lolol

Depends on the situation. I like to discuss in discussions soooo.....

What's your take on this, do you believe that he is correct? Why do you believe he is correct?
All that.
Or are you just being passive aggressive?

God did not create the universe, says Hawking

You have this body called a "Shell" and you have one life time to live it... what you do with it, is your own being..

What you screw it up with or miss, hey that's your own wrong doing. We all have a set time, on this planet.. make use of it, and enjoy life. Why wrack your head with reason, and figure out the fundamentals of life as a whole? Why argue Hyprocrisy?

Enjoy life and what it has to give ya.

I think I should bring up the idea that the big bang may have been the beginning of this universe, but not necessarily the beginning of everything.

I don't believe there is really such a thing as "Nothing" either, in our currently observable world volume due to many other factors such as its multidimension structure, virtual pairs and the brane characteristics we live on. (All theory, of course)

Stephen Hawking is saying that the creation of this universe is consequence only to the physics that is imparted upon its creation. What has generated that creation is speculative, however many Cosmologists have derived many other fascinating perspectives and possibilities (ie: Two parallel cosmic branes colliding). This only endows the grandeur further if you're theistic and you think in terms of brane theory. We can understand our universe and its beginnings because we can observe it in its full glory; however trying to understand the characteristics of branes and the multiverse is like trying to discover the shape of the earth and Heliocentricity while blind.