Hello, Would You Be Willing To Help Settle A Bet?

It doesn't matter what the term is called. Who gives a ***?

You know the point, we've beat it to the ground. We can call it relative return, who gives a ***? The point is, w/e you want to call it, is only +38% when you have brutal, and is less of an increase than a hasso user gets from hasso.

Well, how do you define increasing/decreasing returns? I say this not spitefully but out of interest. Do you take the differential of a curve representing the values you are trying to deduce the relationship between, take tangents at some points, find the gradient, and then if it's >1, increasing, <1 = decreasing and =1 being static?

That's the logical way I'd imagine you do it but probably not the right one. DA would come up as decreasing there and Haste would come up as increasing.

The semantics arguement does not come up every two weeks, only that concerning the value of stacking each. My previous statement still stands, you're being pointlessly pedantic for no reason other than misperception and the inability to grasp the concept that a phrase can have accepted meanings other than formal economic definitions when not dealing with formal economics.

in after faiye's semantics argument.

The returns to scale are defined only by the units input and the units output. Businesses use these production functions to determine if the growth of their company will be profitable over the course of time. The ideal situation for a company to expand is for costs to go down as production increases. If costs go up as production increases then you have diminishing returns and its better for your business to halt expansion.

If that is the case, a more accurate way of talking about it would be that DA has a "relatively decreasing value of damage increase per additional unit added" or some such... not quite as catchy though.

When increasing amounts of one factor of production are employed in production along with a fixed amount of some other production factor, after some point, the resulting increases in output of product become smaller and smaller.

After breaking a promise I made to myself years ago and reviewing my economics notes...

If we consider the increasing production factor as DA, the constant production factor as swing rounds per unit time, and the output as DoT, it is readily apparent that there is an immediate result of diminishing returns if you view the graph y=(x 1)/(100 x), where y is the proportional increase in DoT and x is the amount of DA you had prior to adding 1 DA (the 1 in the numerator and the static amount considered to evaluate relative returns). 100 is the constant swing rounds. The slope is steadily decreasing and thus the return is diminishing.

Conversely, let us consider Haste. If we let y=(100-x)/(99-x) represent the increase in DoT by adding 1 Haste at various levels, it's pretty damn obvious the return is increasing.

Don't believe me? Do some basic calculus and take the derivatives! The slope of the equation for DA returns is y=99/((x 100)^2), which decreases in the range of 0<x<100 (relevant range). The slope of the Haste equation is described by y=1/((99-x)^2), which increases in the range of 0=<x<80 (relevant range).

Can we stop now? It's consistent with the Law of Diminishing Returns and thus the terminology is appropriate.

Damnit, I refreshed the page and missed that post!!!

Someone's arguing that DA is more useful than Haste?

-Not really paying attention-

Someone's arguing that DA is more useful than Haste?

-Not really paying attention-

So anyways about this semantics lesson of terms that aren't even generally used ig...

so hey, how often do we agree?

All the friggin time! You just don't know it yet

All the friggin time! You just don't know it yet

While we're talking about irrelevant stuff, are you a bad enough dude to catch a senzu w/ two fingers?

The problem is catching it with THOSE fingers. I think I could manage with thumb whatever the *** they call the finger that comes next.