Coronavirus Death Toll Estimation USA

Everyone knows you show more cases if you do more tests. There is absolutely no one that doesn't know this.

Ah. I'm a mongrel mix of Welsh, Russian and German. The three loveliest and least easily angered cultures on the planet.

From some of the statements I've seen on here, that's not a self-evident truth.

Also, the fact that they are panicking about increasing numbers in areas that are loosening their restrictions is also curious, being that it is pretty obvious of course numbers would spike once people started gathering together again. I mean, unless they are protesting a worthy cause, let me make that caveat as to not offend. Then you know, it won't affect the numbers whatsoever.

Positivity is what is alarming.

10,000 tests with 1% positive vs 100,000 with 9% positive

yes, it's 9000 more cases, and that's the part they try to say "well we did more tests" Yeah, but you also had 8% more infected in the test set. THATs the important number.

I'm just waiting for when they finally unveil which protest organizer developed a vaccine for Covid and only distributed said vaccine to their followers so we can pass it on to everyone, move one and argue about something else.

If we could go one whole page without being disingenuous it'd be a miracle.

Get comfy, there won't be any "moving on" until people start acting like adults. And that ***just ain't happening.

I can cut the sarcasm if everyone else can stop being obtuse due to their partisan political views.

The fact the media is flat out making excuses (still) for thousands gathering in protest and ignoring social distancing suggestions is really not only frustratingly stupid but actually dangerous and irresponsible IMO. Our media is a cancer to fact. And don't say it, no, the "cause" isn't worth the risk. If people feel so, they can go light themselves on fire for the cause like monks do for their protests and leave everyone else out of it.

Counting Covid deaths as any death that occurs where the person HAPPENS to have been diagnosed with Covid, even if the Covid did not cause the death, absolutely skews those numbers into the realm of inaccuracy. Period. How can we trust the suggestions of our leaders if they can't even be honest or even try and avoid common sense?

That depends. Who’s getting tested? Is it more those who show symptoms (where the percentage would be higher), or more those who are getting mandatory testing for other reasons (where the percentage would be lower)? Such demographics play a huge role in the outcome.

Man, it's what the media is paid to do. It's for profit entertainment. Our media IS cancer. all of it. With a capital C for Capitalism.

The second part is not true as well. It's up to the ME to make the call.

It is very difficult to say a person had corona and died, but not because of it, because of all the problems corona causes. For as many cases "that died with corona but not because of it" there are equal cases "that were not counted even though they had corona".

Hypothetical; a person has corona, and dies from pneumonia. There is no way to know if the corona caused the pneumonia for certain, only a best guess (assuming said person died at home). we trust a medical examiner to make the best educated guess that the corona was the primary cause of death. But it is just a guess, and funding can influence results.

It's "random sampling" and actual "I went and got tested because I feel sick" the results are mixed together (but shouldn't be)

Yeah, that part bothers me. You simply can’t compare results that are not scientifically sampled, but that’s exactly what is going on.

By this logic, if it's, "My Body, My Choice" but my choices may in fact spread a potentially deadly airborne pathogen to others, then "others" should be able to protect themselves against your choices by any means necessary. That's their choice. That's a slippery slope.

Now I know you are a bit of an anomaly with a pretty extreme lack of morality on certain topics, so you aren't the best person to address this topic. Do your other similar-minded folk on here agree with your, "it's my choice to expose myself and to risk the lives of others, if the cause fits?" Because that is literally one of the most selfish viewpoints on the matter I've ever seen and I've yet to see anyone else take this stance. They've predominately avoided the question and instead will post a link to some liberal op ed that tries to explain away the selfishness of that thought process.

I think that you confused Medical Examiner with "me"?

Also this is akin to how so many death certs will state, "renal failure" as the cause of death when in fact, it was a long term battle with cancer or diabetes that is actually the cause of the renal failure, so actually the cancer or diabetes is the cause of death.

You'd think after hundreds of years of medical advancement the industry would be smart enough to properly list an actual cause of death, not just the finishing blow. That's the equivalent of saying, "the cause of your house collapsing is structural failure," when the structural failure was caused by a tornado that just passed through.

I did!

This isn't bad news for the middle class/poor. I'm not eligible because I am literally SO poor, I have not filed a tax return for the past two years but, at least it may give some a little help.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mcconnell-opens-door-second-stimulus-check-americans-economy-coronavirus-payments-2020-7

I mean a dead body can't tell you what killed it.

You can only really assume so much information. There's really no fix for that, no amount of tech can change that. You see fluid/aveolar damage and a positive covid result, you have to assume covid caused death.

(assuming you had no prior contact with the person pre death)

Well right but, they are also talking about people who have literally been battling a terminal affliction either in the hospital or at home and then test positive for Covid basically either right before the other thing(s) finally takes them out or at the time of death.

Also, you'd think they could rule out Covid being the cause when they drag a body from a car crash, but the lady on the video didn't make it very clear whether that level of logic was being applied or not.

It comes down to semantics.

If you were going to die on July 10th from cancer, but you died before that, and had covid. You died from covid, even though cancer would have gotten you.

Did the cancer weaken you causing you to die from covid that you would've normally survived?

Chicken or Egg. It's a discretionary call.

I know and I am saying if their "discretion" lends them to make the ridiculous conclusion (in those cases) that Covid is the actual reason for death, they most likely are choosing it for a reason other than accuracy in reporting.

Holy ***look how much better this got. Admitting points! Reasoned discussion!

Should've built that nuke years ago

You missed the tone that it was a joke.

You also missed the post from Rooks about chilling.

You keep taking shots from the sideline for attention. You must not know what chill is.

How about contributing with some data analysis (since you claim it’s your forte) on the subject instead of your usual impotent and petulant bully schtick.

Yup.

Happy Scrappy Hero Pup chimed in as usual and flogged the pooch.

Now can I go back to berating Eiryl or....?

My phone didn't update the page, so when I opened safari this morning it just had the last page with sideline Susie over there who was continuing his antics.

There was supposed to be a mechanism so that people like you could get the stimulus check anyway.

I don't file either but I'm on social security and got my check through that.

I would expect another round of stimulus checks, and I would expect them to go out to even more people than last time. The threshold for cutoff might come down slightly, but not all the way to 40k. Filing taxes isn't required to receive a check, you should have been mailed one Prong?

I love waking up to sweet irony.

But anyway, the talk is that the cap to receive a check could be 40k (80k filing jointly), but whatever the actual number is I imagine we’ll end up with a phase-out bracket like before. It really doesn’t make sense to give a several thousand dollar check to someone who made $39,999 and not someone who made $40,001.

Well, I'm about to burn this down, not intentionally, but will likely be the result.

*can of gas and a handful of matches*

Do you know why it was civilized last night?

Prong was more interested in learning than arguing and the "bad actors" weren't here to *** it up.

I got to answer honestly "with a commie fact" about why the media is what it is. and there was no one here to call me a nazi, commie, unamerican, chinese national, "left monster" who doesn't pay taxes in moms basement collecting unemployment.

Now you can have that all the time, not just certain hours of the day...