October 2019 Version Update

I don't see why they needed to say it though.
Don't trusts get all traits their job would get if it were a player?
It's always been like this, hasn't it?

I guess they mean that monsters with those jobs won’t get these new traits

Which, again, has pretty much always been the case since the lv75 era unless differently specified.

But w/e, it's a stupid thing, I don't wanna drag this further on, who cares about it anyway lol

I, for one, welcome our inflation overlords. I have way too many things to sell and not enough buyers. I encourage all commoners to take advantage of powders and make gil for yourself so you can buy my stuff.

Well yeah but they typically say it does anyway

BLU should get more healing gear to solidify their role as a Jack-of-all-trades tbh. Feels like the job hasn't got a wide range of caster gear lately.

I remember once saying that they needed to dramatically upgrade H2H WS and make VS have fTP transfer in order to *fix* MNK, and well look what we have here. Lets get some testing so we can know how big the changes were and then adjust our gear selection accordingly. And yes my WAR/MNK troll build is gonna see some love again.

If the update was just adding them to freke ring, malignance earring, and Gere ring I would be satisfied. Stop leaving blu off of new gear

They really didn't like the era where BLU, BST and BLM were all you saw. They all have gotten nothing since then.

The REAL buff is 7% WSD when you sub DRG for enmity control

Need to have a wyvern active though, so no buff for you!

what kind of dmg are people seeing with mnk ws now?

I don't believe so. That's a trait, and there's no mention of needing the wyvern for it. DRG got two WS buffs, one being a straight trait, and one being their bird buffs giving one.

RIP Spharai

Granted it's true BLM got jackshit since then, I'm not sure SE disliked it.

It's true mage setups ruled Aeonic era and sorta Vagary too to a lesser extent but I wouldn't call those strategy "cheap".

Throw 2000 BSTs at monsters and AoE everything was cheap.
AC everything with SMN was cheap.
BLU wasn't cheap either granted back then it was a bit OP for lowmen setup.

The mage setup required a lot of different jobs and coordination, I wouldn't call that cheap honestly.
It wasn't killed by SE, if anything it got killed by the "geo nerf" and by the fact that DDs got direclty and indirectly better, progressively.
This made the mage setup (which is still viable, we've done aeonic with mages even after the geo nerf) more complex than the DD route, it's as simple as that.


Given nowadays' meta it's hard to buff mages again, they know it, they are simply choosing the easiest route: i.e. ignoring them.
I think it's a very different situation compared to BST and SMN though.

Yeah, that's how I read it. Miraun could be right though because it seems really unlikely that the max-level main job trait would start at 21% and scale up from there.

I know professional translation is actually a pretty difficult job but if it were me it seems like a no-brainer to run the translated work by someone else and ask if the message is clear.

Sadly, those buffs to DRG only affect the first hit of a ws. Annoying, since DRG only has like 2 viable 1 hitters, one requiring a relic weapon...The 31% wsd is welcome indeed but not as potent as one would think since it affects only one hit.

I'd only they affected the entire ws, given that DRG relies on multi hitters like stardiver and drakesbane

Simple test with something like Spirits Within to see if /DRG gets the 7% WSD. Would do it myself, but I still haven't gone and unlocked DRG, lol.

/DRG 45 gets the 7% trait. DRG in addition to the job trait for weapon skill damage also gets an invisible wyvern parameter boost of +2% wsd per wyvern level, up to +10% at 1000 exp. So 31% wsd total. It's nice but it only works on the first hit of a ws.

Gungnir is a strong weapon. However, it was never really the base weapon's stats that were holding it back, it was Geirskogul as a WS compared to Stardiver.

And I realize this is anecdotal experience based on my experiences, but whatever, I'm posting on a forum fight me.

Before clearing dynamis for ranks, I had an AG'ed Gungnir that I was comparing with a newly acquired Trishula, and what I found was that while my individual parse typically dropped by about 5% swapping from Trishula to Gungnir, the overall parse increased by about 10% for all other DDs due to the application of Defense Down so often. So my individual numbers were objectively down, my parse to parse was down... however, the party was BETTER off with my parse down due to the defense down application. Now, for background, my gear was very well off, but missing Omen drops at the time... End tier, but not top tier. I've since upgraded.

When I looked more into parse numbers more, Gungnir's 2x damage caused my white damage to shoot way up, but my WS damage was substantially lacking versus Trishula. And of course, everyone else's numbers were substantially higher. I started using Geirkogul JUST for applying the aftermath, and then spamming Stardiver because the damage was simply better. So buffing Geirkogul wasn't really meaningful when I was looking at augments.

Speaking of R15ing... Trishula's augments just seemed to be objectively better. Stardiver was already producing higher parse numbers, so a straight 15% buff versus a 20% buff on a weaker weapon skill was better, and the +ACC is applicable to everything, versus +Jump damage... when honestly, a substantial bit of the jump damage seems to come from Relic+3 Body anyway that would not be buffed.

That being said... I don't want to discount Gungnir. But... that's dependent on no SAM for Ageha, it's dependent on a fight where you won't have 100% Angon uptime, etc. It's SUPER situational, but a good thing to have.

That being said, I may not R15 it, but I'd definitely like to see how Geirkogul does as a WS now.

Thank you for that clarification, and you're absolutely right, I had misread, and with seeing everyone only quoting the +21% number, I was thinking that's all we got.

+31% will be nice... While most of our WSs are multihit, I think the big winner would actually be something like Camlann's, where yes, it's multihit, but not enough hits to not go with things like Fotia. Especially if you're going to DD something like the new Alexander HTBG where you can't apply debuffs that you'd otherwise get through Gungnir or Stardiver.

Maybe now /DRG is the prefered sub for ranged Jobs (COR and RNG)?

Edit: if the 7% WSD trait can come with sub

All DRG would have needed was for camlann to be a 3.5, 5.5, 8.5 ftp and DRG would be golden as hell

I stand corrected

The first tier of the WS Bonus trait is earned at lvl45 DRG, and that one is not wyvern dependent. The wyvern's bonus to WSD (initial claims are 10% at max wyvern) are from the pet. So we're talking two different things here.

It's not. Dragoon got 2 buffs. One is from a regular old job trait, the first tier coming at 45 with 7%, which is subbable. The second was a separate line of boosts bestowed from the wyvern parameter boosts which is 2% per tier and caps at 10%. With the final tier of the wsd+ and the wyvern wsd boost the total amounts to +31%. /DRG players still get the 7%

SE's usual monthly emails confirms the Harvest Festival for Oct 24-Nov 7. They forgot to change the caption, it was the same one for last month's email announcing the Lilith BCNM.

ahahaha

Any testing on the new fTP values for those updated WS's? Lots of people giving screenshot type numbers but no one posting estimated per-hit http://fTP.