October 2019 Version Update

It really can go on forever, it seems you don't understand how easy other jobs can still wear solid dps gear and still cap out subtle blow.
Auspice from whm with feet is 25, means in just 3 pieces of gear you can cap subtle blow at 50% and still get up to 65% with 2 other pieces.
Out of all 5 pieces, you really only lose dps out of the neck.

Mnk does NOT under any circumstances, no matter what you want to believe. Have better survivability than drk, nor does it have better utility.

Chakra what every 3 minutes? Shell Crusher -25% def, mantra (3 minutes), penance, inner strength (30 seconds).
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Drain 1, 2, 3 (Full time hp boost, also spell based so if HP boost is dispelled it can be recast without the need to for JA), stun, Catastrophe, Infernal Scythe + Bio 2 (combined -40% attack), Armor/Full break from G.A. (-25% def), weapon bash, dread spikes, blood weapon, arcane circle/crest if applicable. Can easily turtle up in some amazing hybrid dd sets.

All of that and still put out more dps than a mnk.

Counterstance still plummets your defense worse than Last Resort, so those times that AoE hits a drk and dread spikes doesn't help, does more damage to a mnk.

As was stated before, dread spikes is 100% activation rate, counter is not.

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The only major gain of mnk over drk, is penance and hitting SB 75% without su5.

By the way....
Odin: drops stupid fast with a sam or drk multi-stepping
Odin has also been beat solo on VD by multiple rdm.

Alexander: drops regardless, he isn't dangerous at all, just a slow kill which can be sped up with a 2hd DD

Lilith: VD is most commonly killed sc/mb with a cor for TH and the fetters. There are also several post about doing VD with a other melee jobs outside of mnk.
Next most common would be blu/thf, pup/thf, thf/? people soloing.

None of that sounds like sam, war, drk being butthurt that mnk is somehow the best.

You have brought up what people will do, or not do, on drk that makes drk a bad job. You are blaming the job for what other people do. If you keep running into dead drks, don't play with them. If the people you play with can't use all the utility they have, they aren't playing to their top potential. If they miss all their weapon skills, don't play with them.

Feels bad man, when they leave your favorite job out in the cold. BLU just couldn't stand where it was, balancing resulted in an overall improvement to the meta, and so here we are.

Blu was never best at everything just could survive but so could any job if you geared it. And Blu was never on top no matter how much everyone wanted to whine about it. Mnk won't be top tier dd not compared to war drk sam hell dnc is a better utility dd then a mnk.

It's never about being the best. It's about having entirely too many/much upside with zero downsides.

"light" dd that can do the same(ish) damage as heavy with zero safety sacrifices is imbalanced.

Like you can slap on 5/5 malignance and totally afk, completely unkillable. Not really giving up anything to do it. You can't really get away with that on other jobs. Without putting on "full turtle".

The reason BLU was so popular is they could cap their own delay reduction. Bard buffs hadn't been updated since abyssea and were far behind COR and GEO. This opened up a slot for another BLU DD or another GEO. By updating BRD buffs SE restored other melees to being viable. BLUs never had either the best DPS nor the best defense, they just didn't need a BRD to be functional.

Is this actually the case? Does the Path A Store TP only apply to the main hand as well, then?

Or were you simply saying jobs can't just offhand the Su5 to cap their SB? Because that was my point--DDs would have to give up offensive capabilities just to use a Path B Su5.

I heard from a friend that it would be a good idea to make SA and TA job traits rather then job abilities. I, for one, agree with that. Who else does? We should start a petition.

None of the augments work when offhanded, at all. If they did, I'd have multiple Gandring's, because STP+25 from that paths augment would make it the BiS offhand for me in most cases. Instead the dagger is only useful for Evasion-cleaving shenanigans.

Also, funnily enough, I think the 2h jobs and MNK are now powerful enough taking off the "Mainhand only" for Su5 would actually make the game closer to balanced.

It would have to be heavily adjusted. But yeah. Totally. Decoy shot should've been THF's permanent trait. You don't really want to stand behind a tank anymore though, generally a bad idea.

Sneak trait would just make THF tank 100% of the time.

Well yes, but I'm not sure why you restated that as that was kinda confusing. It explicitly says it works only when main-handed on the augments themselves.

Either way, barely any job is willing to give up their REMA weapons just to use a Su5 for SBII, hence MNK's advantage in 6-person parties.

I said it because you don't lose little things by using Su5 on most 1h jobs...you lose entire REMA access. That's a whole lot to lose for subtle blow+25. Especially with REMA augments.

I said it was a possibility, but at the same I pointed out that it wasn't practical. That's all.

This is the only thing that I would argue with. Imo DRK can't put out more dps anymore and definitely not in utility sets. Still agree with DRK having tons more utility tho.


You mean Drain III barely doesnt work?
You know that DRK has this cool JA called Dark seal, which is practically an elemental seal for dark magic? You can Drain III even Omen bosses, but the potency will be reduced by 50% if I remember correctly. You will still have WAY more HP than MNK.

drain III still sucks on anything important

Are you trolling at this point, or you just being ignorant? Can you please list enemies that Drain iii sucks on and are so important?

Take your pick of nm pal lol

I have DRK, nowhere near as capped as some of the players, but still above average/pretty good. Drain 3 works on just about everything, including Omen Bosses. That includes HELMs, Ambuscade, HTBF etc. Unless the NM has a flat out Dark Magic resistance or is undead, it lands very consistently with a good Drain/DSNV set. Not sure which NMs you're referring to, but if you're going to claim the move sucks on anything, important, the burden of proof is on you to show evidence of that by listing the monsters, not the other way around.

You have a gimp drk but your drain 3 is working better than drks who have all the gear? YEA RIGHT

Show me your amazing drains that you are claiming to have, the burden of proof is on you.

And do it without a magic burst or specifically setting something up for your drain. Just a normal pt


And even then you could land a good one of 10 tries? You people seem like you just like to argue

And yes im talking about Omen bosses, and or Master Trials, or anything like that with high level nms, I havnt tried drain on disjoined nms, but unless they are specifically weak to darkness im sure it sucks on them too

Ok yeah, you're just trolling for attention and wasting time debating. Good one, you got me.

ok seems to me you are tucking your tail and running off but ok.

whatever saves your precious ego, hey you and simon started arguing about jobs you dont even play here so i dont feel bad for you

Umm low post count, saying crap to piss people off, yeah it's someone's sock puppet. We deal with them the same way we deal with all trolls, don't feed them and let them starve to death.

He probably uses DS for absorb STR then he cries his Drain III doesnt work.

Yea Simon is the only DRK to figure out what dark seal is.


The other guy said something about drain first because he obviously has used it. Simon and Bukki are acting like people with no experience


Imagine a BLM saying Drain sucks on a particular enemy, and some nerdy mnk comes in telling him what elemental seal is lol.

If "post count" was called "shame meter" you wouldnt act so tough

You under estimate its power!

Even when it whiffs the air pressure of it passing does damage!

I'm not gonna react to your childish provokes. I was playing DRK for a long time on both of my main chars (since 2007), but I'm not gonna prove that now to some troll. begone.

If damage would be based of animation then Ukko's Fury would do 99k every time :)

That'll never happen. 100% critical hit rate and 100% accuracy for just standing behind a mob or another party member would be completely broken. And that doesn't even begin to touch upon the idea that EVERY weaponskill in a party would be a sneak or trick attacked rudra's. Seems a bit excessive.

When you have no reply to an argument, this is what you say.