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By 2016-04-23 14:12:57
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-23 14:16:04  
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If memory serves, the ACA was more stable when proposed but so much bickering and compromising with Congress made it the clusterfuck it is today. What "Obamacare" is today is most likely a heavily edited and unbalanced version of what it was intended to be.

Actually congress has passed everything the ACA has asked for. Sure they *** about it, but they still FULLY fund it.

No, the ACA is the clusterfuck today that everyone said it would turn out to be years ago.

Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
The biggest blunder of the ACA was having it watered down by an angry republican caucus. Apparently modeling it after the ideas of Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney just angers them because someone else thought of it. Even the Heritage Foundation supported an individual mandate too.
16 million people now have insurance. Why should these people have been left out in the cold?
The ACA should have never passed, it was hated by the majority of the American people. But the Democrat held house, senate, and President didn't care. It is still unpopular with the majority, you know that thing you guys are always going on about and use to justify pretty much everything else.

How many of those 16 million people are now on medicare that could have been expanded without the horrible ACA law? 10-12 million? Where are the 30-40 million people that Obama said would be jumping at this huge opportunity to have health insurance and be able to pay for this horrible law?

Should those people be left out in the cold? They never was before the ACA? Why even bring this up? The only thing that has changed is the working class is now paying more for Health insurance the previously had, the Health Insurance of all the extra medicare recipients, the subsidies that the ACA gives out, and deductibles are now higher than ever and are about to increase exponentially next years.

I'm sure it is all the Republicans fault though. They are still FULLY funding this monstrosity after all!
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By Jetackuu 2016-04-23 14:24:36  
Anna Ruthven said: »
If memory serves, the ACA was more stable when proposed but so much bickering and compromising with Congress made it the clusterfuck it is today. What "Obamacare" is today is most likely a heavily edited and unbalanced version of what it was intended to be.

Well basically.
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By Jetackuu 2016-04-23 14:25:50  
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
"You're welcome, Jet."
Thanks, carry on.

Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
That wasn't Jet though..
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-04-23 14:27:07  
"God, I hope this bill passes so I'll have something to *** about for the next eight years!"
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By Jetackuu 2016-04-23 14:30:09  
Anna Ruthven said: »
"God, I hope this bill passes so I'll have something to *** about for the next eight years!"

Unfortunately it's not usually so easy to change something once it's law. In general, not necessarily in regards to anything in particular.
 
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-23 14:45:51  
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The fact of the matter is in all the polls that ask people about the ACA. Calling it Obamacare makes it less popular, and those who actually know about the law statistically are more in favor of it.

Actually the more people know about it the more they dislike it. Sure stupid people exist that don't even know who the vice president is right now(or ever). Why are we all of the sudden valuing these peoples opinions when they obviously don't care a damn thing about politics and don't even understand that our government is a Constitutional Republic and not a democracy.

Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
What do you mean they weren't in the cold before?
Just like now people without insurance (yes they still exists!) can walk right into an emergency room and get any medical treatment they desire in terms of life saving or health.



Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
What do you mean nothing changed besides people subsidizing others? 16 million people gained coverage as a result of the law. They lose that if it is repealed.
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How many of those 16 million people are now on medicare that could have been expanded without the horrible ACA law? 10-12 million? Where are the 30-40 million people that Obama said would be jumping at this huge opportunity to have health insurance and be able to pay for this horrible law?

The people that are now on medicare will never get it "taken away" by the government. Talk about political suicide. Which was the intention all along. We can legally repeal the ACA but do you honestly believe the good parts are going to go away? It's not all 100% bad. But it should have never been passed the way it was.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-23 14:48:37  
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Just like now people without insurance (yes they still exists!) can walk right into an emergency room and get any medical treatment they desire in terms of life saving or health.

footnote: They get billed, have the opportunity to receive medicare or pay in cash. (This is the same now as it was before the ACA, Nothing here has changed).
If the bill is never resolved it go on their credit report. Medicare HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN OPTION. I don't understand why you people refuse to admit this.
 
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-23 15:35:45  
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Oh, my bad they aren't in the cold because if they get strep throat, the flu, crabs or the clap then we just send them to the emergency room. Do you know how stupid that sounds? You just said they have health coverage because emergency rooms exist.

Umm. You realize all of that stuff is treatable with over the counter stuff right? If you're in vital need of antibiotics it is even simpler to go to a clinic and see a doctor for under 100 bucks and they will write you a script for a 5 dollar bottle of Amoxicillin. Why would you waste the time of our healthcare professionals with these minor problems in the first place? Not to mention make people in greater need wait because you are too stupid to understand how to treat a common problem.

People like you are the reason this abomination of a Healthcare law was even thought up, you refuse to think for yourself!

Screw it though right? You got Obamacare, screw other people you deserve to go see a Specialist and waste thousands of dollars and peoples time and resources over a strep throat because, hey, you got Insurance, its free right! Who cares, not like you have to pay for it.

Grow up, dude.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-04-23 15:52:55  
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
I have class.
We will refrain in mentioning what kind of class.

And nothing to do with you Ama but these last few pages have been a total waste. Indeed, even worse.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-04-23 15:57:41  
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these last few pages have been a total waste.
Agreed.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-23 16:01:05  
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Well you can't self diagnose minor things like strep and not everyone can take variants of penicillin. We have doctors for a reason.

Altimaomega said: »
it is even simpler to go to a clinic and see a doctor for under 100 bucks and they will write you a script for a 5 dollar bottle of Amoxicillin.what you need

Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
People without coverage are much less likely to see them and the welfare of the public health is threatened.
I'm guessing people are like you and have zero clue what they should do. Perhaps in that sex ed class everyone agrees we should have we add a "Health class" that informs people about how they can diagnose and treat common illnesses like you mention.
Oh, wait! we already have those! Guess you skipped that class huh?

Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
No one is saying they need to go see a specialist, but then again do we need to ask you who deserves to see one? Don't be such a pompous ***.
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Oh, my bad they aren't in the cold because if they get strep throat, the flu, crabs or the clap then we just send them to the emergency room.

I said they should go to a clinic you said emergency room. Neither makes you happy so I assume you think you need a specialist. All will write the script for the medicine, a clinic will do it at a fraction of the cost and guess what! You can make payments! It is amazing I know. Kinda like how a business works.

Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Not sure what I just said that you feel needs to be responded to with "grow up"
Your total lack of understanding. You are either being incredibly obtuse or I refrain from further judgement. Your language towards me the last several pages may also have something to do with my impatience towards you.

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but I am sure by the end of the day you will be sitting here crying about xyz and this and that because it is just 'everyone else' and not just simply yourself.
Everyone else should be held to the same standards as me, they are not. It is simple and anyone can see that, that cares to take the time.
 
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-23 16:02:18  
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
I have class.
We will refrain in mentioning what kind of class.

And nothing to do with you Ama but these last few pages have been a total waste. Indeed, even worse.

It is only going to get better unless the mods reign it in.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-04-23 16:02:51  
Paul Manafort sounds like a black mage ability.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-23 16:02:53  
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Altimaomega said: »
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Well you can't self diagnose minor things like strep and not everyone can take variants of penicillin. We have doctors for a reason.

Altimaomega said: »
it is even simpler to go to a clinic and see a doctor for under 100 bucks and they will write you a script for a 5 dollar bottle of Amoxicillin.what you need

Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
People without coverage are much less likely to see them and the welfare of the public health is threatened.
I'm guessing people are like you and have zero clue what they should do. Perhaps in that sex ed class everyone agrees we should have we add a "Health class" that informs people about how they can diagnose and treat common illnesses like you mention.
Oh, wait! we already have those! Guess you skipped that class huh?

Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
No one is saying they need to go see a specialist, but then again do we need to ask you who deserves to see one? Don't be such a pompous ***.
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Oh, my bad they aren't in the cold because if they get strep throat, the flu, crabs or the clap then we just send them to the emergency room.

I said they should go to a clinic you said emergency room. Neither makes you happy so I assume you think you need a specialist. All will write the script for the medicine, a clinic will do it at a fraction of the cost and guess what! You can make payments! It is amazing I know. Kinda like how a business works.

Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Not sure what I just said that you feel needs to be responded to with "grow up"
Your total lack of understanding. You are either being incredibly obtuse or I refrain from further judgement. Your language towards me the last several pages may also have something to do with my impatience towards you.

Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
but I am sure by the end of the day you will be sitting here crying about xyz and this and that because it is just 'everyone else' and not just simply yourself.
Everyone else should be held to the same standards as me, they are not. It is simple and anyone can see that, that cares to take the time.

Could you just respond to the post please? Thanks.

Not responding to 9 broken up sentences.

No thanks. don't like it, don't respond and/or block me.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-04-23 16:08:39  
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
I have class.
We will refrain in mentioning what kind of class.

And nothing to do with you Ama but these last few pages have been a total waste. Indeed, even worse.

It is only going to get better unless the mods reign it in.
You...kinda don't want that.
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By Yzzerdd 2016-04-23 16:12:00  
Lol is this whole page an argument about strep throat? Drink tea and /wait; white blood cells etc...
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-23 16:14:47  
I'd like to be able to have decent conversations without people coming in a sniping at me every possible chance they get. I'm sure they would as well, at least I would hope anyways. Otherwise why even have this P&R section? It is already bleeding into other threads right now since people cannot behave themselves so others post elsewhere out of fear of reprisal here. Some boundaries other than no blatant out right insults need set or this is the P&R we deserve. Right?
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-23 16:15:37  
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Altimaomega said: »
No thanks. don't like it, don't respond and/or block me.


Have you even read the 35 some posts you have written the past 20 pages? You sir are the king.
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-23 16:16:30  
Yzzerdd said: »
Lol is this whole page an argument about strep throat? Drink tea and /wait; white blood cells etc...

It is what he decided to use as an argument, then he called me the stupid one.. /sigh
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By fonewear 2016-04-23 16:16:31  
I'll summarize page 39:

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By Altimaomega 2016-04-23 16:17:11  
Which I am for even bothering to respond to him in the first place tbh.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-04-23 16:20:11  
Altimaomega said: »
Which I am for even bothering to respond to him in the first place tbh.
I don't know why a lot of people don't just block a lot of people and/or stop responding to them.
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By Yzzerdd 2016-04-23 16:21:31  
Let's start a thread called Arguments and then everyone can just argue against why the previous poster is totally incorrect, and why they're absolutely right. It can be an angry random thoughts thread!
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By Altimaomega 2016-04-23 16:22:52  
Yzzerdd said: »
Let's start a thread called Arguments and then everyone can just argue against why the previous poster is totally incorrect, and why they're absolutely right. It can be an angry random thoughts thread!

No need that is exactly what goes on here. Why have two shitty threads?
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