[Dev] Matsui: R/M/E/C Follow-up

...why?

The effort to get a Delve weapon(s) is somewhat of a joke. Join shout, sit around on a job like cor that takes no knowledge of the job other than roll close to 11, get weapon that destroys a person who put in hundreds of millions of gil to acquire, and equip with with a gear set that makes no sense. Seeing a H2H mnk with a twilight belt and 100+ dmg H2Hs is a case of point. People who make R/E/M weapons make them because they love the job and tend to make more than one weapon for the job. This is the main reason why holders of these weapons are annoyed. Why spend 150-200m on a weapon just to get trumped by some idiot who doesn't have a clue? This is the reason why REM weapons need upgrading and soon, it will drive the good players away if it isn't changed

They should be buffed to support the system that increases the damage the way it has been since 80-85 was introduced.

Im not clinging to anything. Not even the perfectly fine mast that apparently is dead in the water.

But no, its apparent when you add 4 damage then 10 damage that theres a pattern that apparently is making the weapon better. Its not "dubious", its "coincidental" at the least if you wanted to be condescending.

So yes, continue to do that while i explain for the sixth or so time what i clearly said which would be the easiest if not true to what you were already doing way of "fixing" this situation.

You know...so many empy people complaining about no plates, you'd imagine putting shouts together would be no issue. We actually have someone on Raganarok that seems to be spamming Qilin daily now.

How many more pages of I want my 85-90 empy to be updated cuz gil is hard versus man up and make 6 mythics instead conversation can we have?

Lets all be happy the SE crew was wise enough to not go with their original route.

I kinda wonder how making people do old content to death is really a way of enticing players to play this game.

Why would new players or existing players want to do the same event over and over again? As of now the game has boiled down to fracture. Years ago our linkshell struggled to fit in every single event in a week. The fun of ffxi has always been the variety of things to do. ATM that is gone.

Just got 99 Kannagi today. I know, could have been an Ukon etc.

Anyway, I finished the HMP part a couple weeks after the introduction of Skirmish/Delve weapons by making my own Qilin shouts and offering to buy metals.

It took me several months farming gil and spamming Qilin for all the HMP. I could have completed 99 sooner if I had committed to upgrading once I got 85 Kannagi, but like most of the people who haven't even tried to progress, I was content.

Today I just finished the Riftdross part, covered this by shouting for Ig-Alima. Some come for the XP since they are sac'ing for days in Delve, some for the gils.

Whatever it is, it is still possible, and as always, requires a bit of effort.

I don't get all the 90 empyrean complaining. Its more or less a gil farm just like relics. They will probably be a lot of people spamming Zilart T3 VW when the weapon update is actually live.

06/21/2010 - Visions release (3 years old)
09/08/2010 - Scars release
12/06/2010 - Heroes Release
05/09/2011 - Dyanamis changes rolled out (2 years old)
12/14/2011 - Umbral Marrow/Mulcibar Scoria/Riftcinder/Riftdross made available
Summer/2012 - 11th Vanadiel Census -
1960 lvl 99 Relics
329 lvl 99 Mythics
696 lvl 99 Empyreans

The number of 99 Relics and Empyreans have most assuredly gone up signifigantly. Can't say the same for Mythics. We'll see in a few weeks with the next census.
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Where's the TH knife upgrade

Since you asked nicely...

Big Bomb/Alkyoneus/Pallas/Sozu Rogberry/Ullikummi Pop Change and Fuma Kyahan/Speed Belt/Ochiudo's Kote/Strider Boots/Healing Staff/Eurytos' Bow/Cross-Counters R/Ex items added

You do realize that twilight beats black belt now for tp in every situation now right? Sounds like the other people aren't the ignorant ones....

you do realize you only use mnk if survivability is relevant, it's not a top shelf dd
pretty sure black belt is amazing for hybrid builds

You obviously haven't run mnk through the spreadsheet with soa gear/rigors. It handles its business just fine.

But even if it is the worst DD job in the game don't try to take up for someone who is trying to make other people look foolish when he himself doesn't know what he is talking about. There is absolutely a place for twilight belt on monk and anyone who is talking about one like they are TPing in heca doesn't deserve a white knight.

Here is the bottom line. SE doesn't read this site. They barely read their EN official site. The plan is in place. If you don't like it then vote with your wallet.

I think the point was the amount of effort shown from a player into a job.

And I would like to emphasize what you said yourself, "with SoA gear." That doesn't make everyone who half-assed the job until now suddenly good just because they bought a pair of Rigor. More than half the time, they're still terrible at the job and/or terribly geared period, so they still perform terribly.

EDIT: Also, lemme see this set.

Rigor + Twilight isn't close to enough information to know whether their gear is "right" or appropriate. Anyway, actual first class monk TP gear is neither twilight nor black belt.

Premier DD or not, herp, people like jobs, and like working on the jobs they like. Just the fact that someone has Rigor Bagnakhs shows that it's used not "only when survivability is relevant," but, you know, sometimes when people want to play it. (By the way, survivability's "relevance" has done nothing but gone up since people started leaving abyssea.)

And like Zohnax said, just change the words "Twilight Belt" to "Tantra Tathlum" or "Heed Ring" or "Chivalrous Chain" or even "Brutal Earring" or what about "Toreador's Ring" or maybe "Brown Belt" unless you really meant "Merman's Earring," but really could have just said "silly gear" in the first place, so that everyone could understand the point, even ones that absolutely have to take everything at face value, or else risk having to argue about how smart they are.

This is a huge tangent.

But I have usu +1 gears. I have all the important dynamis augments. Blah blah I have a really old black belt. But depending on buffs/mobs I'm either in windbuffet or twillight for TP unless I'm turtling up. Wearing a twilight belt on monk doesn't mean you haven't invested time into it and the insinuation was that people who wore it are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and don't deserve to outdamage relic holders.


Arguments aside, eventually the wheat will be separated from the chaff. If the R/M/E update puts them 5% behind delve nakuul weapons then they will still be useful. They will also be be best weapon 99% of the playerbase will get because the bosses take skill, teamwork, and a dedicated linkshell. Moving forward those things may be rewarded more than killing EP dyna mobs for 100 hours. It's my opinion that they should be. Others don't agree. But the only way to move forward and to have progress is to offer better gear from challenging mobs or nobody will want to do them.

MMO players are selfish and that drives the economy. How many Modrun or Mimic King shouts do you see? NONE! Because they drop crap. If nothing is ever allowed to outpace what we already have there is no incentive. Again it's an opinion but I'm tired of putting in 100 hours to gain 2% double attack. It's just more fun to put 100 hours into something that makes you significantly better.

The counterargument is "But then you have put 100 hours into something that will be obsolete". Not if done correctly. If done correctly you will NEED the item in order to get the item that obsoletes it. This is the way items become valuable for reasons other than just being a town gear trophy.

I personally thing they missed a chance to pull off the band aid and caved. Now we will never ever get better weapons. People will never NEED new weapons to clear content. Everything goes back to being a town gear trophy that shaves 40 seconds off your clear time over the next best option instead of a neccesary peice.

the first 80 Emp was completed mid-August, 2010. I would assume the same guy did the 85 trial quickly after. Each trial was available when the Abyssea xpac was released, not after. And, at the time, due to most everyone being obsessed with Abyssea, most of the emp weapons ***all over the Relic counterparts.

Just like the Delve weapons now, the original magian trials were a ***-slap in the face to all the relic holders, who, at the time, had either invested a ton of gil, or had a full LS assisting them for months. 1500 killshots, for +2 dmg, then 2000 killshots.

post-adoulin mnk is behind pre-adoulin drg(ryuno ofc) on both spreadsheet and parser

rigors are great, but they're far from making mnk top shelf dps

this isn't to say it's a bad job, but it's major selling point is not leet damage

i don't think he really deserved to be jumped on, nor so matter-of-factly.. i responded because i didn't like your post, not because i give a ***about generic relic whiner #15242 that'll be off the forums again in a month when SE fixes his weapons

windbuffet is nice if you have the gear to support it, but any case for tping in twilight is pretty weak since the damage gain over BB's str is negligible and you lose out on a nice defensive boost

Revenge of the "Matsui don't throw away your r/e/m/c weapon" thread is proceeding as I thought it would I am pleased

we can close this tread now..LOL

Well... Was waiting for an answer and it was the wrong one. Wish you the best SE. Will now be turning off 3 accounts and 15 mules. Maybe I'll pick up WoW. Why go for a cheap knockoff when I can play the real thing.

Nah.. dont quit please..Matsui ego is wonderful..New weapons are so damn nice to see,especially his aftermath and odd, and so easy to get..

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Lot of idiot have 99 r/e/m and use bad gear set.

What's up with all that recent "COR doesn't need gear/skill to be good and you can just roll and afk" trend :(