[Dev] Matsui: R/M/E/C Follow-up

If they're phasing the Empy weapons out eventually, they could at least give current Empy holders access to the weapon skills that we've built our WS sets around (particularly when we've already been using these WS's for a few years).

Given the arguments that have been presented, if SE is truly wanting to move forward and focus on new content, I think the Empy WS should essentially be a freebie for anyone who previously had access to that WS (regardless of weapon level). Maybe to accommodate varying levels of the weapons, SE could increase the mod % on the WS. Making only the 99 WOE weapons unlock Empy WS is going to either create a huge storm of people running back to do the old content just to unlock a better weapon skill (and thereby defeat the purpose of moving AWAY from old content).

In short, give us the damned weapon skills and stop jerking us around with stupid ideas that have no rational basis other than utilizing the same old boring content to waste our time. WOE sucks, camping shitty lotto NMs to redo trials sucks, and nobody WANTS to do it. I'm sure if that's the only way people WILL do it, but honestly, who here would like to go build a 99 WOE weapon instead of talking to an NPC, trading your weapon, getting your rightfully earned WS, and going on with your progression on the new content?

I would like to just turn in my 90 almace to an npc and get the ws then stick it on a mannequin but then again if push comes to shove ill have to make a 99 WoE sword. Im guessing thats what SE are hopeing for with this either people will focus on getting empyreans to 99 or getting the WoE for more filler content. Seriously though with all this ***happening on XI it could actually be the final push for players that are left to go to XIV. All my friends are going so how much it saddens me to leave my char ill probably go too.

Why would you make a 99 woe if you have 90Vere? The hole point of Using Verethragna (or any other Emp) is really for the AM not the acuall WS, therefore making a WoE weapon will only give you the weapon skill,
(monks leading reason to its high DPS comes from its standard hits & only using WS so u can ride AM)
pretty pointless in all honesty to just use Victory Smite w/o Bonus to AM.
Why not just use merrited WS (which when geared correctly all Merrit WS can be as good or better than Emp.

Seems as though most people only look at WS dmg and ignore the overall DPS which AM can supply, if you where to parse the value of standard DPS Vs WS dmg, Your Standard AM^ DPS will be much greater than your actual WS.
you should use the free time you have to 99 your Vere.

Ppl really need to stop the QQ bout there unfinished ***...

And the unlockables from WoE favors those ppl that cant/wont finish there legendary weapons.

And i dont agree Itchi .. imagion all the delve mnks spamming VS instead of Shjin.. thats def a mayor increase in ws damage.

But yea the AM on lets say a vere99 would still make it worthwild after the R/E/M update to make a emp99.

Besides i cant wait to stick emp ws's on my relic99's ;p

or delve weapon even for that matter... Hello Uko's on a delve GA ;p

I don't have the spare WS merits for shinjin sorry. I'll gladly trade my 90 Vere for VS to use with a delve.

No one can physically make a 99 empyrean anymore there just arent enough HMPs (1100ish on odins bazaar page 1050 of which are stupidly priced in the servers arsehole player bazaar) and a lot less dross and cinders.

ppl still making emp99 here on Fenrir and you could allways make a spamm VW ally yourself.

the search function only shows a portion off the market , its never 100% up to date and most jps dont even have a ffxi profile..

I've bought/farmed over 200 in 3 days and there are at least 5 other people HEAVILY camping bazaars and forming Uptala/Qilin shouts. FFXIAH bazaars aren't current unless someone with GW plugin checks them. Leave your mog house, join a shout group, make a shout group, shout for plates.

You might not be able to buy gil and finish it to 99 in an afternoon, but there is really not a shortage of plates, just motivation.

Fulgore im guessing you dont quite know how the bazaar works on here. Its done through guildwork so when a player with guildwork checks a bazaar its registered on here with how many in bazaar and the price i think it goes off here after 24 hours. Its not 100% but it is quite high. The jps dont need a profile on here for them to come up on the bazaar listing.

Edit: for jass ill rephrase my original statement then there arent enough mats to get 99 empys if there are a lot of people trying to 99 theirs. Jass im not looking to 99 any of my empys anyway just my relics and i never see these qilin/uptala shouts.

Edit: edited first part so jass can get his panties out of a bunch.

you do realize you need the guildwork plugin active on either the person bazaaring or someone has to check them. You just said I don't know how it works, then said exactly what I said as an explination. No, its nowhere near 100%.

Jass that wasnt aimed at you in the first place but seeing as it ranges from a minute ago to 12 hours im guessing there are quite a few people with it.

Thats right i might not know 100% how it worked till previous post's BUT i do know your excluding all xbox/ps2/3 players

Afaik, if anyone with guildwork checks your bazaar even if you're on ps2/xbox it will show them as well.

Allright, you learn sumthing every day , ty lol =p

Im on xbox and I still pop up on there......

If someone checks you that has the GW plugin, whether you are pc ps2 or xbox, you get added to the listing on the page you dont even need a profile on here.

I do agree emp WS on any other weapon would be awesome doing nice numbers but for a mnk, thf, nin, dnc mainly where these jobs depend on there high attack speed, AM is what makes them such good DDs, if you where to lose that AM just to do higher WS that is really a loss. no WSs will add up to the overall DPS, i think most just look at eye candy numbers and dont realize how much your base hits add up to.
***like Ukos etc will def be nice on new weapons with forced crit. But again losing AM is alot to sacrifice even on 2H weapons. Once they do the update on REM we no a updated 99 REM will beat Delve weapons by far to the mear fact of riding AM, let alone the WS's.
but i still see most heavy DD using Shoha, Reso, Upheaval due to there potential of Multi hit proc. only a few jobs got the shityer merrit WS like shjin & shun for example where VS & Hi beat them just from the Crit let alone power.

It is a good substitute for those who cant/dont make REM but if you own a Emp that you absolutely love and are chooseing to make the same WoE version just to use it on Delve weapons you should consider your options, Pursue it and put that time/gil into upgrading your emp instead of setting it aside.

(I also understand HMP are more rare & they need to create a system to farm HMP more efficiently but there still are enough plates to hunt down to buy & or farm Qilin)

Sooooo.... anyone know when this will happen?