[Dev] Matsui: R/M/E/C Follow-up

Koga with Fudo would be the ***.

Claustrum with Myrkr! *** yeah!

(No, I'm not serious.)

I agree with scaling the 80+ trial items (not just empy) to a degree where such a huge leap to delve weapons isn't so out of place but bitching about it isn't getting you a better weapon any faster. Like others have said, do delve, use the weapon to make doing older content easier if that's what you want to equip yourself with when it gets buffed.

They augmented old *** abjuration armor, which should've died by the time ToAU was finished developing, but nope. This game has never really "scaled" and ever since the level increases has seemed so far from where it was it's hard to look back. We need to just get with the times and understand that 9/10 zones not in SoA are going to be barren wastelands with NMs roaming all the time unclaimed and unkilled because why bother. Abyssea to 99 and gimp your way through delve in a /sh group till you have the new

I, personally, think the R/M/E buff will be after new Skirmish, Delve, and Naakuals are implemented, or else SE will be seeing the same rage again when they add new weapons that will, knowing SE, will surpass R/M/Es by a long shot. Mythic base damage will probably be just above Delve Naakual weapon damage of the same type. The Burtgang example had 1-2 higher damage than the Delve boss sword.

If you look at the DPS between all 3 of the (new) RME swords, they were all the same or very nearly the same. The only reason Burtgang's DMG was higher was because of its 264 delay, I think.

Hmm, I admit, I didn't check the DPS.

Yeah it seems like they are looking hard at DPS.

Quietus would have been useful if it ignored DT but it just ignores straight DEF which is useless as you pointed. But it would be fun to use Quietus sometimes with a buffed apoc.

This made me LOL because it is true, then get really sad...because it is true.

The one thing I dont like is that WOE weapons are easier to upgrade and now SE is rewarding those that upgraded to 99 WOE more than those that grinded empy to 90 (which was a respectable empty). Now the empy will be useless and those who went WOE path are rewarded. in the time it took to get a 90 Empy i could have had my 99 WOE.

I think it would be smarter to offer weapon skill unlock at 90 or maybe 95 empy as well to even the plate.

What skill does the WOE weapon unlock? after the update (as expected)
Im contemplating building one but its a royal pain with my vere at 90

To add I think the object of this update is to get people doing more voidwatch WOE Trials and older content and making it more relevant.

Even after the patch a 99 Emp is still a far better weapon than a 99 WoE weapon. I fail to see the issue here, getting to use the WS with an inferior weapon has nothing to do with a 90 Emp. They are increasing the damage of the lvl99 versions, the 99WoE weapon is "completed" the 90 Emp is not. I don't see a lot of people complaining that their 99 Macc sword isn't getting a damage boost, its more "complete" than an 85 or 90 Emp.

Its not about using it with an inferior weapon its about using unlocked weapon skill with delve weapon.

meh, TP bonus GK is getting *** aswell >_>' but who cares about OaT/TPBonus weapons :<

Mythic, Relic and top Delve weapons should absolutely be excluded from using Empyrean weapon skills.

99 Empyrean weapon > unlock empyrean WS for all weapons.
99 Coin weapon > unlock empyrean WS for all but M/R/D weapons.

Otherwise, 99 Empyrean don't compete with M/R/D.

any math to back up that claim?

What would you rather use Myrkr on?

Myrkr staff what truly sucks for nuking. or a 99 D staff. "Southslayer
+ 65 MAb +20 INT staff

Then again now also any skirmish one or new two weapons will do the same.

99 Empys need a 40% WS boot like R's. WoE get standard WS.

misread the previous post, yes being able to unlock the emp WS's would probably invalidate some of the weapons.

I have to believe that if they don't allow for emp unlocking, we just go back to a hierarchy similar to what we had before adoulin came out.


But if you allow the unlock, then we just switch to Relic>Emp>Delve with some exceptions and some popular mythics on top.

I'm ok with that, abyssea's basically dead anyways, why not kill it completely.

(also i really want to jishnu with yoichi)

Well I've had nice gear, can't say I've ever had the best gear. But I've been close twice on 2 jobs each different, and in some instances I've had the best there was to offer at the time, but mostly equipment sets that many didn't have a focus on.

Can't say I'd be satisfied if I ever did (get the best gear), never had the time or drive to put that much effort into the game. And if I did the odds were always stacked against me, so I was kept from achieving the end of all ends of my own goals.

I salute those people who preach effort and that if you push hard enough you can obtain anything. Dedicated Months, Days, and even Years to this game procuring virtual items, literal nothings.

It's times like this that I enjoy the most.... to watch people flitter and flutter moan and complain about all the changes, because the funny thing is the cream always rises to the top. The best of the best, the most dedicated will get whatever it is they are after, and when the changes come, they'll integrate and get the best again, Time and time again.

It's a shame but times are changing.. again, you can't stop the storm, but you sure can ride it and direct yourself where you want to go.

on a related note, how many people actually have 99 emps anyways?

Compared to 99 relics, it cant be that many people.

Most people have 85 or 90 emps, at which point their weps have been invalidated by new content anyways.

If the base damage is comperable, Ukko's with Ukon will ALWAYS be better than Ukko's with Bloodbath, etc.

This is only a concern for 99 Emp/WoE owners because the weaponskill is integral to what makes the weapon powerful. With a few exceptions, Emp weapons are all about the weaponskill/aftermath.

I can assure you never heard of a Mythic owner complaining about their WS being available on any weapon or a Relic owner (besides apoc, cata even without aftermath is amazing) wishing they could use thier WS with a different weapon.

Good point.

I've complained about that! lol.

Although that's really only cause I wish drakes had a light property. I'm pretty sure the reason mythic WS didn't get a T3 skillchain property, like relic/emp did, is because the ws was unlockable.

But I admit, it woulda really sucked using penta all the way till stardiver release. <,<; Would have made Ryu a lot more appealing at 75 though. XD

I do. 99 empy staff. Finished it the Saturday before Delve came out. The empy was outdated within 72 hours of being made.

You know, a few months ago if anyone asked if 99 WoE was worth it, people said no because it is empy -1 and harder to make.
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/31436/is-there-a-single-woe-weapon-worth-taking-to-99/

Mythics got screwed over when abyssea came out and namis got updated, Alexandrite was hard to come by and went from 3k a piece on my server during 75 cap days all the way to 20k a piece at one point. Lets not forget the period of time nyzul was dead before they updated that!

Myrkr is a pretty crappy example here. Could be on an Ash staff +1 and it'd be the same piece of crap.
No one told you to upgrade a really poor weapon.

so when are we actully going to see somne stats?...

i can "modify" every relic to be on par with current weapons in less than a week easy. (includes objective to obtain it)

For a Sch their is no other option. We don't have an R. And all servers combined no one would ever make the Mythic weapon. Zero in circulation.

The weapon skill is nce for sch due to the fact you get 25 tp back off every t5 spell. You can nuke non stop and never take a knee. Getting back 400-900 depending on race for every 100 TP is nice.

Utility weapons are the ones that survive. Hence instruments, shields, apoc. dagen, and empy staff.

Are you always just solo on Sch? In what situation are you playing the job, but not constantly switching out staves for spells? Occult Acumen shouldn't mean crap.

Maybe you are getting a lot of MP back by using Myrkr, but your nuke damage must be awful. If you're just solo, that's fine obviously, not hurting anyone. But I really hope you aren't doing this crap in groups. I really can't see the benefit besides being fun. And fun isn't really important for group play in this game.

Ochain, Aegis, Durabdladlahad, Gjallahorn, it's pretty obvious why they are still useful. Emp Club and Staff aren't in the same category.

That charater just uses sch job 80 percent of the time. He was my cure account. True it doesnt do as much dmg as some other staves but you dont have to take a knee ever.



On my main i do play drk blu and war.

In plazma runs i use the staff and tp spell if no brd in my dd party. In some nm fights abby or kc30 i use the staff to do all buff self sc mb kaustra. Then myrkr.


In delve nm fights as you lose 20 percent mp per embrava and time nerf. I use the staff to get back 480 mp so
i can curey party and not use sublimation just yet. So many blms waste five minutes takeing a knee in fights like kurma. I never have to.

On other nms if i am also nuke stunner i sub drk. Absorb tp worls wonders .

I just saying it has many uses. And it allows my two charaters to do much more.

T4 delve. Silenced poisened paralized. Myrkr wipes all at once