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By Odin.Kingdinguhling 2013-05-22 21:28:53  
make us Earn it but this is Stupid

they need to Fix Empyrean trials then because atm everyone is doing relics to 99 for a reason (ITS NOT POSSIBLE TO 99 AN EMPYREAN)

no VW shouts

1500 plates

And people charging 150k


THANKS FOR THROWING AWAY MY MONTHLY MONEY
MY EFFORT
AND MY GAME
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By Ragnarok.Presidentobama 2013-05-22 21:29:29  
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Just let them die. Building a weapon once should not be a ticket to having the best weapon in the game 10 years down the line.

New content happens, new gear happens, get over it. If you want your old gear to stay relevant forever, why even continue playing?

99 Empys at most four years old, maybe two. Where do you get ten years? So its not bad to say they should be best. My proof their are even less 99 Empys than mythics in game.

Calling BS on this lol. Should at least post some source to back up this claim.


Bs comes from your mouth. Abby itself is four years old. 99 Empys couldn't be 99 as VW was the path to take them to 99. How old do you think T6 VW is? VW is two years old if that. End stage not the beginning. Hence 99 empys are not old like ten year old relics.
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By Odin.Kingdinguhling 2013-05-22 21:31:33  
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"But seriously, Relics and Mythics can cost hundreds of millions of gil to make and can take months if not YEARS to finsh. Why should Empy owners get a free pass?"

Last I checked, taking an Empy from 90->99 cost hundreds of millions of gil. It also requires a fair amount of time (I wouldn't say years, but then again, I wouldn't say relics take years these days either, if you've already got the cash to buy the currency).

OK BUT U CAN 2 MAN CURRENCY(Dyna) OR ALEXANDRITES(salvage)

You won't 2 man voidwatch tier3 zilart

no wher near the same
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By Siren.Knivesz 2013-05-22 21:34:56  
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Just let them die. Building a weapon once should not be a ticket to having the best weapon in the game 10 years down the line.

New content happens, new gear happens, get over it. If you want your old gear to stay relevant forever, why even continue playing?

99 Empys at most four years old, maybe two. Where do you get ten years? So its not bad to say they should be best. My proof their are even less 99 Empys than mythics in game.

Calling BS on this lol. Should at least post some source to back up this claim.



Bs comes from your mouth. Abby itself is four years old. 99 Empys couldn't be 99 as VW was the path to take them to 99. How old do you think T6 VW is? VW is two years old if that. End stage not the beginning. Hence 99 empys are not old like ten year old relics.

Proth already debunked your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE argument like two posts back so I'm not sure what you are still ranting on about here lol. Gonna have to forgive me if I cant take the word of a 99 scholar who didnt even know what embrava was (back when you were on this server) and ask for proof of your ridiculous claim.
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By Odin.Kingdinguhling 2013-05-22 21:36:08  
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Bs comes from your mouth. Abby itself is four years old.

Where you get that Abyssea is 4 years old lol you need to look at when visions etc... where released

Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
VW is two years old if that

Ummm again i think your a little off here XD

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Hence 99 empys are not old like ten year old relics.

OH MY GOD i thought this game had only been out for 10 years in the US
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By Odin.Kingdinguhling 2013-05-22 21:38:39  
Bottom Line

YOU CAN SOLO/DUO FARM Currency or Alex
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you wont SOLO/DUO Farm Tier3 Zilart

OR Morta lol
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By Odin.Kingdinguhling 2013-05-22 21:44:42  
EVERONE IS DOING RELICS CAUSE THEY ARE EASIER TO 99

not because they are stronger or nicer than some of the 99 Empyreans

DONT ACT LIKE THESE A.D.L. SPAMMS ARE HARD EITHER I'VE DONE EM

honestly i think its just a way for people to use people like back in the old dyanmis days

GET 99 DROP PEARL
GET RDM HAT DROP PEARL

EVERYONE WHO HELPED GOT NOTHING

stupid pourely designed endgame
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By Enuyasha 2013-05-22 21:46:28  
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And the only thing stopping me personally from getting past 90 is time/money/people being idiots and abandoning the sinking ship that is non-adoulin content...

Take. The. Hint.
You missed the part at the bottom where i said my personal problems are NOT the reason for my concern. Its an actual game design problem that conflicts with the original intended design for these weapons.

I even said the grande "I could give less ***" type comments.

So.You.Take.Whatever.Hint.That.Sposed.To.Be.

And yes, people are being idiots in many MANY ways going about this situation.
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By Ragnarok.Presidentobama 2013-05-22 21:47:51  
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Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
Siren.Knivesz said: »
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Tickmeoff said: »
Just let them die. Building a weapon once should not be a ticket to having the best weapon in the game 10 years down the line.

New content happens, new gear happens, get over it. If you want your old gear to stay relevant forever, why even continue playing?

99 Empys at most four years old, maybe two. Where do you get ten years? So its not bad to say they should be best. My proof their are even less 99 Empys than mythics in game.

Calling BS on this lol. Should at least post some source to back up this claim.



Bs comes from your mouth. Abby itself is four years old. 99 Empys couldn't be 99 as VW was the path to take them to 99. How old do you think T6 VW is? VW is two years old if that. End stage not the beginning. Hence 99 empys are not old like ten year old relics.

Proth already debunked your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE argument like two posts back so I'm not sure what you are still ranting on about here lol. Gonna have to forgive me if I cant take the word of a 99 scholar who didnt even know what embrava was (back when you were on this server) and ask for proof of your ridiculous claim.

More slander. Embrava was always known. Don't compare me with your lack of knowledge. The fact ou need embrava to do any event other than NNI, means your a sucky player and need that crutch to get you through.
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By Sylph.Decimus 2013-05-22 21:51:02  
I see an Uther's grip. I think that means you lose every argument.
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By Siren.Knivesz 2013-05-22 21:55:05  
Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
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Siren.Knivesz said: »
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Tickmeoff said: »
Just let them die. Building a weapon once should not be a ticket to having the best weapon in the game 10 years down the line.

New content happens, new gear happens, get over it. If you want your old gear to stay relevant forever, why even continue playing?

99 Empys at most four years old, maybe two. Where do you get ten years? So its not bad to say they should be best. My proof their are even less 99 Empys than mythics in game.

Calling BS on this lol. Should at least post some source to back up this claim.



Bs comes from your mouth. Abby itself is four years old. 99 Empys couldn't be 99 as VW was the path to take them to 99. How old do you think T6 VW is? VW is two years old if that. End stage not the beginning. Hence 99 empys are not old like ten year old relics.

Proth already debunked your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE argument like two posts back so I'm not sure what you are still ranting on about here lol. Gonna have to forgive me if I cant take the word of a 99 scholar who didnt even know what embrava was (back when you were on this server) and ask for proof of your ridiculous claim.

More slander. Embrava was always known. Don't compare me with your lack of knowledge. The fact ou need embrava to do any event other than NNI, means your a sucky player and need that crutch to get you through.
That's rich claiming you're knowledgeable when just a few posts back you were trying to pass off baseless claims as facts only to be exposed literally like two posts later. I also like how you make another baseless assumption that I used embrava on anything other than NNI. Still preaching how your sch is better than relic/emp dd's in xp parties cause you one shot worms?
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-22 21:58:02  
this thread is going places
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-05-22 21:58:26  
didn't take long
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By Siren.Knivesz 2013-05-22 22:04:10  
Only took until the second page for this thread to circle back to people crying about 85/90/95s needing to be upgraded anyway.
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By Bismarck.Greezy 2013-05-22 22:07:03  
thank gosh its not only for the relic weapons with afterglows phew!
 
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By Enuyasha 2013-05-22 22:12:42  
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Only took until the second page for this thread to circle back to people crying about 85/90/95s needing to be upgraded anyway.
im not whining about the weapon lol. Im highly concerned about the actual design intended for these weapons to be that strong. Its not like delve weapons where you killed this one NM and BAM you have the power of god in your hands, the trials are to slightly increase them as you go. Making the 99 weapons only 300 damage or whatever VASTLY *** that system over and you might aswell not even have the trials at all.

Just to say it like the fourth time in the same post: I dont care about my weapon or the 80-95 or having one etc, i care about the actual game mechanic behind GETTING the 80-99 and how that damage was based as to how it got there.
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By Cerberus.Neojuggernaut 2013-05-22 22:23:32  
My suggestion:

If they do this unlock ws path, the requirement should be to have the ws period i.e.: 75 relic, 85 empy, 90 coin (mythic irrelevant). Just give no aftermath (coin already there) and gimp the damage in some way perhaps. In addition to this, 85-95 empy's shouldn't get a boost seeing that it's not part of the weapon progression (imo: rage at me idc). I have 3 90s and it sucks that 99 is an arduous process but it's the progress I have to make if I want them to be better. Just what I think :P
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By Ragnarok.Presidentobama 2013-05-22 22:27:27  
Siren.Knivesz said: »
Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
Siren.Knivesz said: »
Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
Siren.Knivesz said: »
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Tickmeoff said: »
Just let them die. Building a weapon once should not be a ticket to having the best weapon in the game 10 years down the line.

New content happens, new gear happens, get over it. If you want your old gear to stay relevant forever, why even continue playing?

99 Empys at most four years old, maybe two. Where do you get ten years? So its not bad to say they should be best. My proof their are even less 99 Empys than mythics in game.

Calling BS on this lol. Should at least post some source to back up this claim.

Nope now i one shot mandies outside town butterflies in caves and lizards in mountains. How about you.

I dont think you can stack up to my level.



Bs comes from your mouth. Abby itself is four years old. 99 Empys couldn't be 99 as VW was the path to take them to 99. How old do you think T6 VW is? VW is two years old if that. End stage not the beginning. Hence 99 empys are not old like ten year old relics.

Proth already debunked your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE argument like two posts back so I'm not sure what you are still ranting on about here lol. Gonna have to forgive me if I cant take the word of a 99 scholar who didnt even know what embrava was (back when you were on this server) and ask for proof of your ridiculous claim.

More slander. Embrava was always known. Don't compare me with your lack of knowledge. The fact ou need embrava to do any event other than NNI, means your a sucky player and need that crutch to get you through.
That's rich claiming you're knowledgeable when just a few posts back you were trying to pass off baseless claims as facts only to be exposed literally like two posts later. I also like how you make another baseless assumption that I used embrava on anything other than NNI. Still preaching how your sch is better than relic/emp dd's in xp parties cause you one shot worms?
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By Odin.Kingdinguhling 2013-05-22 22:31:32  
JUST CANCELED BOTH MY ACCOUNTS
HOPEFULLY SQUARE ENIX GETS THERE CRAP TOGETHER
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-05-22 22:31:48  
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-05-22 22:34:18  
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JUST CANCELED BOTH MY ACCOUNTS
HOPEFULLY SQUARE ENIX GETS THERE CRAP TOGETHER
ok bye
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-05-22 22:36:21  
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Odin.Kingdinguhling said: »
JUST CANCELED BOTH MY ACCOUNTS
HOPEFULLY SQUARE ENIX GETS THERE CRAP TOGETHER
OK BYE

FTFY
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By macsdf1 2013-05-22 22:38:39  
Odin.Kingdinguhling said: »
JUST CANCELED BOTH MY ACCOUNTS
HOPEFULLY SQUARE ENIX GETS THERE CRAP TOGETHER

if you don't have the means to 99 an empy, you likely won't have the means to get hte upgraded rems either.

Just upgrade your delve and be happy about it.

Why aren't you happy enough to have the new non 99 bandwagon weapons. If you think everyone with a 99 will get an upgraded one you're in for a surprise.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-22 22:44:48  
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Just upgrade your delve and be happy about it.

What the malarkey did you just smurfing say about me, you little taru? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Aurastery, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on The Beastmen Confederate, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire Cobra Unit. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the nomnom out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my glomping words. You think you can get away with saying that scoobydoo to me over the Linkshell Network? Think again, fine gentleman. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of ninjas across Quon and your signal is being traced right now so you better prepare for the maelstrom, land worm. The maelstrom that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re canoodling dead, taru. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively merited in hand-to-hand combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Allied Forces of Altana and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable wenis off the face of the continent, you little wabbit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your bumfuzzling tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you fatuous floozy. I will ejaculate ukko's fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re *** dead, football.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2013-05-22 22:44:52  
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Odin.Kingdinguhling said: »
JUST CANCELED BOTH MY ACCOUNTS
HOPEFULLY SQUARE ENIX GETS THERE CRAP TOGETHER
OK BYE

FTFY

FTFY
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-05-22 22:48:12  
Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Odin.Kingdinguhling said: »
JUST CANCELED BOTH MY ACCOUNTS
HOPEFULLY SQUARE ENIX GETS THERE CRAP TOGETHER
OK BYE

FTFY

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By Enuyasha 2013-05-22 22:55:59  
Cerberus.Neojuggernaut said: »
My suggestion:

If they do this unlock ws path, the requirement should be to have the ws period i.e.: 75 relic, 85 empy, 90 coin (mythic irrelevant). Just give no aftermath (coin already there) and gimp the damage in some way perhaps. In addition to this, 85-95 empy's shouldn't get a boost seeing that it's not part of the weapon progression (imo: rage at me idc). I have 3 90s and it sucks that 99 is an arduous process but it's the progress I have to make if I want them to be better. Just what I think :P
Thats fine, you are only trolling me and i dont really care THAT much lol.

But they ARE part of the progression because you progress through the trials to incrementally increase the base damage. It wouldnt even be hard to do lol. And honestly, instead of increasing the damage gap and making only 5~7% (random numbers but the people that actually care that the only weapon that exists is the one they made in 2007 is ALOT smaller than you think) want to be the bestest. Its just REALLY damaging to the actual behind the scenes ***that kinda matters and is part of the experien-blahwhatever.

Point: they are going to throw away whatever cool "make me feel all tingly and good" aspect and just throw it away to keep some 12.95's happy.
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By Ragnarok.Eriina 2013-05-22 23:00:42  
Enuyasha said: »

Sorry, I should have been more clear by underlining the hint I wish for you to take. I was referring to the notion that you are on a sinking ship(voidwatch) with people abandoning the ship all around you, and perhaps you should follow suit rather than cling to the mizzen mast(85-90 empy weapons) as the ship goes down.

Now, you might say you don't care, but then you also say non-99 empies should be buffed. Those two positions are inconsistent so please forgive me if I misunderstood your position.

Also I ignored the rest of your post because it was based on assumptions of developer intent that are dubious at best. So I just focussed in on the idea that "anyone who hasn't quit VW and moved to delve already should probably do so if they care about having a competitive weapon any time soon".
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