Who decides what is a sin? god?
How does god let us know what is a sin? Just because you heard it from someone who read it somewhere that was written thousands of years ago?
I mean you still don't see how giving god this enormous amount of responsibility to determine what is right and what is wrong creates any kind of problems?
You just accept what god has said passed down through thousands of years of hearsay and conjecture. What if somewhere down the line someone got it wrong? Are you willing to take that chance?
How Christians Can Make The World A Better Place
How Christians can Make the World a Better Place
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Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
One of many famous Bible quotes made by Christians to equate that homosexuality = instant hellfire. Hell, even being effeminate means hellfires for you.
Metrosexuals? The flames that never extinguish await thee.
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Odin.Daemun said: »
Another, imperfect human's opinion of you shouldn't make you kill yourself. You and you alone are in control of your self worth. Don't allow someone else's thoughts make a burden of yours.
This is extremely difficult when it's mom, dad and family - the people you trust the most telling you homosexuality = instant hellfire, torture, pain and annihilation for all eternity.
Why do you think most atheists are afraid to come out? Mom and Dad are going to kick your *** out the door and disown you. The religion of peace has a great habit of turning people into irrational beings devoid of any higher thinking orders.
It doesn't happen to all theists but the population definitely is there.
I've also gone through this. My family did not take as kindly to my atheism as I had hoped...
They still don't really know about my sexuality. I'll keep that closeted, for the time. If I ever have a male partner, I guess they'll be finding something out. /shrug
this actually reminds me of a story couple years back of a kid in the bible belt who was a atheist and complained about preying in school even though legally its nto allowed anyways was ostrisized by the comunity and school and kicked out of house by parents just because he didnt want to prey at school. been few years so forge texact details.
edit: found a article on it http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2011/06/high-school-atheist-ostracized.html wasnt as far back as i thought but u can see why atheist have such a prob
Recently, something similar happened to Damon Fowler. I think it was also in Texas.
Made... not national news, but it was pretty well known as it occurred.
Made... not national news, but it was pretty well known as it occurred.
Odin.Daemun said: »
No, understanding yourself better won't happen regardless if you choose to ignore the new stimuli and revelations that enter your life. It is not strictly speaking religiously. As a Christian, the entirety of your existence is an extension of your beliefs, therefore, being Christian is who you are, not what you are.
So self discovery is bettering oneself? What if the things you discover are bad or terrible things?
Thank goodness I have no religion then ^^ I hope I am defined completely by ownself and not a religion any longer.
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Josiah is right. Why would you like flaws? You like not being the best person you are? You can enjoy others flaws as it is what separates them. Holding onto your own flaws, instead of trying to utilize them to grow, would be wasting yourself.
The only constant is change. There's only growth or decay...If you aren't growing...you are decaying.
The only constant is change. There's only growth or decay...If you aren't growing...you are decaying.
Because my flaws are just as much Me as the good parts.
(Best Me) is subjective. I feel a person cannot be their best w/o any flaws.
I also dont think it is possible to "waste" yourself either. That would imply that what I do in life affects me somehow after death and I dont think it does.
Thx for returning OP. Your fellow Christian here missed your msg I think.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
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Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
One of many famous Bible quotes made by Christians to equate that homosexuality = instant hellfire. Hell, even being effeminate means hellfires for you.
Metrosexuals? The flames that never extinguish await thee.
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MATTHEW 12: 31-32 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come".
No matter what I do, because of that verse, in the eyes of biblical texts I am the worst of worst sinners.
Worse than a rapist.
Worse than a murderer.
Worse than anyone, because I am a blasphemer. A blasphemer that hurt no one.
People wonder why I cannot 'respect' religion. I wonder why.
Worse than a rapist.
Worse than a murderer.
Worse than anyone, because I am a blasphemer. A blasphemer that hurt no one.
People wonder why I cannot 'respect' religion. I wonder why.
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Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Odin.Daemun said: »
Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »
yep lets repress them until they have psychological problems and feel like ***and end up killing themselves. GG religion
I dunno, bullying is powerful. Just recently a few bullies pushed a girl to suicide in my home town. She threw herself in front of a bus.
Homosexuals deal with loads of bullying and abuse. It's not all that easy to just say "I'm not going to let that bother me."
I don't think it's really the words that hurt, but the emotion and justification behind them. When I got made fun of for being an atheist in middle school, it was the emotion behind it that really hurt me:
You're different, so you're not as righteous as us! My pastor told me to hate you, so I'm going to call you 'that *** atheist'. I thought you were a good person, but that can't be if you don't love Jesus. You should burn in hell. I don't understand you, and so I hate you.
It took me a few years to grow a thick skin and for those comments to galvanize me. My heart goes out to those that are told:
You're different, so you should just conform to the normal sex acts! I find sticking penises together disgusting, so you should feel bad! You're being judged because you're not perfect, just know that!
In any number of ways.
And no person worth their salt should be okay with this behavior for any reason, religion or not.
Xueye and Hohenheim see the side of this most blind Christians don't. Baseless judgement. Blind hatred. Uneducated mockery. All because they are unique, something Jesus commands us to be. Why would these people have a good opinion of Christianity when the vast majority of people professing it are the biggest hypocrites walking the earth?
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
No matter what I do, because of that verse, in the eyes of biblical texts I am the worst of worst sinners.
Worse than a rapist.
Worse than a murderer.
Worse than anyone, because I am a blasphemer. A blasphemer that hurt no one.
People wonder why I cannot 'respect' religion. I wonder why.
Worse than a rapist.
Worse than a murderer.
Worse than anyone, because I am a blasphemer. A blasphemer that hurt no one.
People wonder why I cannot 'respect' religion. I wonder why.
Actually the only thing that makes you a blasphemer is because you speak out negatively against us. The very thing you want, freedom of expression in all things, including religion, is the very thing you continue to not provide.
True equality comes not when you gain all the privileges of it, but when you accept that everyone else gains all the same privileges.
I am providing you the freedom of expression; it is also within mine to tell you that your beliefs are silly. I don't want to force religion dead: I want people to come to realize that it's probably a piece of bologna and that it does more harm than good.
And if you remember the previous thread, your second paragraph describes many things I touched on.
And if you remember the previous thread, your second paragraph describes many things I touched on.
Odin.Daemun said: »
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Odin.Daemun said: »
Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »
yep lets repress them until they have psychological problems and feel like ***and end up killing themselves. GG religion
I dunno, bullying is powerful. Just recently a few bullies pushed a girl to suicide in my home town. She threw herself in front of a bus.
Homosexuals deal with loads of bullying and abuse. It's not all that easy to just say "I'm not going to let that bother me."
I don't think it's really the words that hurt, but the emotion and justification behind them. When I got made fun of for being an atheist in middle school, it was the emotion behind it that really hurt me:
You're different, so you're not as righteous as us! My pastor told me to hate you, so I'm going to call you 'that *** atheist'. I thought you were a good person, but that can't be if you don't love Jesus. You should burn in hell. I don't understand you, and so I hate you.
It took me a few years to grow a thick skin and for those comments to galvanize me. My heart goes out to those that are told:
You're different, so you should just conform to the normal sex acts! I find sticking penises together disgusting, so you should feel bad! You're being judged because you're not perfect, just know that!
In any number of ways.
And no person worth their salt should be okay with this behavior for any reason, religion or not.
Xueye and Hohenheim see the side of this most blind Christians don't. Baseless judgement. Blind hatred. Uneducated mockery. All because they are unique, something Jesus commands us to be. Why would these people have a good opinion of Christianity when the vast majority of people professing it are the biggest hypocrites walking the earth?
My whole point in this, is that they are not being any better than those hypocrites. I (and I assume you by your posts) am accepting of homosexuals as people who deserve peace, justice, happiness and equality under man's laws, there are many of us out there, why do you want to alienate the one's who are not out to stand in your way.
We all agree hatred breeds more hatred, so if you attack every theist you see, you are eventually going to make them resent you just as much as you resent the one's who demand you be Christian.
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
No matter what I do, because of that verse, in the eyes of biblical texts I am the worst of worst sinners.
Worse than a rapist.
Worse than a murderer.
Worse than anyone, because I am a blasphemer. A blasphemer that hurt no one.
People wonder why I cannot 'respect' religion. I wonder why.
Worse than a rapist.
Worse than a murderer.
Worse than anyone, because I am a blasphemer. A blasphemer that hurt no one.
People wonder why I cannot 'respect' religion. I wonder why.
Actually the only thing that makes you a blasphemer is because you speak out negatively against us. The very thing you want, freedom of expression in all things, including religion, is the very thing you continue to not provide.
True equality comes not when you gain all the privileges of it, but when you accept that everyone else gains all the same privileges.
SMH.
And Christians don't understand why people rage against them.
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Recently, something similar happened to Damon Fowler. I think it was also in Louisiana.
Made... not national news, but it was pretty well known as it occurred.
Made... not national news, but it was pretty well known as it occurred.
FTFY
EDIT: Crap! I had that wrong too.
Caitsith.Sai said: »
Odin.Daemun said: »
No, understanding yourself better won't happen regardless if you choose to ignore the new stimuli and revelations that enter your life. It is not strictly speaking religiously. As a Christian, the entirety of your existence is an extension of your beliefs, therefore, being Christian is who you are, not what you are.
So self discovery is bettering oneself? What if the things you discover are bad or terrible things?
Thank goodness I have no religion then ^^ I hope I am defined completely by ownself and not a religion any longer.
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Josiah is right. Why would you like flaws? You like not being the best person you are? You can enjoy others flaws as it is what separates them. Holding onto your own flaws, instead of trying to utilize them to grow, would be wasting yourself.
The only constant is change. There's only growth or decay...If you aren't growing...you are decaying.
The only constant is change. There's only growth or decay...If you aren't growing...you are decaying.
Because my flaws are just as much Me as the good parts.
(Best Me) is subjective. I feel a person cannot be their best w/o any flaws.
I also dont think it is possible to "waste" yourself either. That would imply that what I do in life affects me somehow after death and I dont think it does.
Thx for returning OP. Your fellow Christian here missed your msg I think.
I had to eat lunch and get a bit of work done, since I apparently decided this was religious discussion day on forums instead of work day. And yes, many, many fellow Christians don't get my message.
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
I am providing you the freedom of expression; it is also within mine to tell you that your beliefs are silly. I don't want to force religion dead: I want people to come to realize that it's probably a piece of bologna and that it does more harm than good.
And if you remember the previous thread, your second paragraph describes many things I touched on.
And if you remember the previous thread, your second paragraph describes many things I touched on.
Your rights end the moment they infringe on others. What you are doing to theists is not stating your belief, it is harassing them, it is doing the same thing to them that you hate done to you.
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harassment (either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands.
Freedom of religion is a misnomer. Every religion tries to establish immutable truths. You don't think these truths eventually conflict with one another (other religions)?
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zahrah said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Recently, something similar happened to Damon Fowler. I think it was also in Florida.
Made... not national news, but it was pretty well known as it occurred.
Made... not national news, but it was pretty well known as it occurred.
FTFY
Err, actually, we were both wrong.
He fled to Texas from Louisiana, apparently.
Today I learned my ability to recall something more than 6 months ago is absolute ***.
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Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
We all agree hatred breeds more hatred, so if you attack every theist you see, you are eventually going to make them resent you just as much as you resent the one's who demand you be Christian.
Why is the onus on the atheist? They aren't the ones with the book that commands them to love everyone and to not judge.
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
I am providing you the freedom of expression; it is also within mine to tell you that your beliefs are silly. I don't want to force religion dead: I want people to come to realize that it's probably a piece of bologna and that it does more harm than good.
And if you remember the previous thread, your second paragraph describes many things I touched on.
And if you remember the previous thread, your second paragraph describes many things I touched on.
I agree with you that religion often does more harm than good. Faith, when exercised properly, should do nothing but good. People let religion taint their faith, and therein lies most of the problem. If faith dominated religion, instead of vice versa, you probably wouldn't have the same negative opinion of it.
Wait a second, you guys get to call my bedroom activities a sin and when I point out why your ***is rubbish, I'm the harasser? :P
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Caitsith.Sai said: »
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
We all agree hatred breeds more hatred, so if you attack every theist you see, you are eventually going to make them resent you just as much as you resent the one's who demand you be Christian.
Why is the onus on the atheist? They aren't the ones with the book that commands them to love everyone and to not judge.
Because you can't ask for something without providing it back. I don't go to atheists and tell them they are stupid for being atheist, I don't tell them they are going to burn in hell, I don't vandalize their stuff. Hell, I don't even ask the people I interact with in life if they even believe in God or not.
I practice my faith the way you all want Christians to practice, by not throwing it in your face or interfering with your life, yet you treat me the same as you do a WBC member.
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Wait a second, you guys get to call my bedroom activities a sin and when I point out why your ***is rubbish, I'm the harasser? :P
Odin.Daemun said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
I am providing you the freedom of expression; it is also within mine to tell you that your beliefs are silly. I don't want to force religion dead: I want people to come to realize that it's probably a piece of bologna and that it does more harm than good.
And if you remember the previous thread, your second paragraph describes many things I touched on.
And if you remember the previous thread, your second paragraph describes many things I touched on.
I agree with you that religion often does more harm than good. Faith, when exercised properly, should do nothing but good. People let religion taint their faith, and therein lies most of the problem. If faith dominated religion, instead of vice versa, you probably wouldn't have the same negative opinion of it.
Actually, one of my central arguments against religion is in fact faith, so I would probably campaign just as actively against it. But if religion was not as strong and faith was stronger, perhaps I would be a little more humane about it.
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Wait a second, you guys get to call my bedroom activities a sin and when I point out why your ***is rubbish, I'm the harasser? :P
I also openly admit that a lot of my bedroom activities are sins.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
Not really. If you study history or theology you will find Paul is the problem with Christianity. Not because of who he was, but because of what he did.
P.S. Both geese and ducks are kosher. For stuff that flies its feathers and gizzards.
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
zahrah said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Recently, something similar happened to Damon Fowler. I think it was also in Florida.
Made... not national news, but it was pretty well known as it occurred.
Made... not national news, but it was pretty well known as it occurred.
FTFY
Err, actually, we were both wrong.
He fled to Texas from Louisiana, apparently.
Today I learned my ability to recall something more than 6 months ago is absolute ***.
Yeah...LOL! I had to correct mine too.
I wonder where he is in Texas.
/ponders
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Odin.Daemun said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
I am providing you the freedom of expression; it is also within mine to tell you that your beliefs are silly. I don't want to force religion dead: I want people to come to realize that it's probably a piece of bologna and that it does more harm than good.
And if you remember the previous thread, your second paragraph describes many things I touched on.
And if you remember the previous thread, your second paragraph describes many things I touched on.
I agree with you that religion often does more harm than good. Faith, when exercised properly, should do nothing but good. People let religion taint their faith, and therein lies most of the problem. If faith dominated religion, instead of vice versa, you probably wouldn't have the same negative opinion of it.
Actually, one of my central arguments against religion is in fact faith, so I would probably campaign just as actively against it. But if religion was not as strong and faith was stronger, perhaps I would be a little more humane about it.
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Last I checked, Dallas with his brother. He's gotten a job, too, now, and I think trying to figure out a school plan.
zahrah said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
zahrah said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Recently, something similar happened to Damon Fowler. I think it was also in Florida.
Made... not national news, but it was pretty well known as it occurred.
Made... not national news, but it was pretty well known as it occurred.
FTFY
Err, actually, we were both wrong.
He fled to Texas from Louisiana, apparently.
Today I learned my ability to recall something more than 6 months ago is absolute ***.
Yeah...LOL! I had to correct mine too.
I wonder where he is in Texas.
/ponders
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