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How Christians can Make the World a Better Place
 Caitsith.Heimdall
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2012-01-18 14:48:11
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Recently, something similar happened to Damon Fowler. I think it was also in Florida.
Made... not national news, but it was pretty well known as it occurred.
FTFY
Err, actually, we were both wrong.
He fled to Texas from Louisiana, apparently.
Today I learned my ability to recall something more than 6 months ago is absolute ***.
Yeah...LOL! I had to correct mine too.
I wonder where he is in Texas.
/ponders
meh u doing better then me i thought it was several years old lol....
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-18 14:48:32
Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
Not really. If you study history or theology you will find Paul is the problem with Christianity. Not because of who he was, but because of what he did.
P.S. Both geese and ducks are kosher. For stuff that flies its feathers and gizzards. Philosophically speaking it is. See my elaboration on it.
Also the only Paul I know offhand is Ron Paul, lol.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-18 14:52:13
Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
Not really. If you study history or theology you will find Paul is the problem with Christianity. Not because of who he was, but because of what he did.
P.S. Both geese and ducks are kosher. For stuff that flies its feathers and gizzards. Philosophically speaking it is. See my elaboration on it.
Also the only Paul I know offhand is Ron Paul, lol. Saul named Paul after following Jesus. He killed Christians in his past, then denied knowing Christ 3x before the night was over after his Crucifixion. He was the person that started the early Christian church.
By zahrah 2012-01-18 14:52:15
Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
Not really. If you study history or theology you will find Paul is the problem with Christianity. Not because of who he was, but because of what he did.
P.S. Both geese and ducks are kosher. For stuff that flies its feathers and gizzards. Philosophically speaking it is. See my elaboration on it.
Also the only Paul I know offhand is Ron Paul, lol.
She/he is talking about the Apostle Paul who organized the Christian church I'm assuming.
Caitsith.Heimdall
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2012-01-18 14:55:01
Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
Not really. If you study history or theology you will find Paul is the problem with Christianity. Not because of who he was, but because of what he did.
P.S. Both geese and ducks are kosher. For stuff that flies its feathers and gizzards. Philosophically speaking it is. See my elaboration on it.
Also the only Paul I know offhand is Ron Paul, lol.
She/he is talking about the Apostle Paul who organized the Christian church I'm assuming.
So u saying Christianity was founded by someone who didn't even believe it in the first place....
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By Garuda.Chanti 2012-01-18 14:55:42
Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
Not really. If you study history or theology you will find Paul is the problem with Christianity. Not because of who he was, but because of what he did.
P.S. Both geese and ducks are kosher. For stuff that flies its feathers and gizzards. Philosophically speaking it is. See my elaboration on it.
Also the only Paul I know offhand is Ron Paul, lol.
She/he is talking about the Apostle Paul who organized the Christian church I'm assuming.
Yes, that Paul.
Christianity has been called "the Paulian heresy" by both historians and theologians.
Often.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-18 14:56:58
Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
Not really. If you study history or theology you will find Paul is the problem with Christianity. Not because of who he was, but because of what he did.
P.S. Both geese and ducks are kosher. For stuff that flies its feathers and gizzards. Philosophically speaking it is. See my elaboration on it.
Also the only Paul I know offhand is Ron Paul, lol. Saul named Paul after following Jesus. He killed Christians in his past, then denied knowing Christ 3x before the night was over after his Crucifixion. He was the person that started the early Christian church.
Erm.. Peter was the x3 denier not Paul.
Paul was the one who mass slaughtered christians before having the experience on the road to Damascus that blinded him.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-18 14:57:19
He was chosen to start the church to show that anything is possible by anyone, no matter their flaws. With Christ, nothing is impossible.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-18 14:58:24
Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
Not really. If you study history or theology you will find Paul is the problem with Christianity. Not because of who he was, but because of what he did.
P.S. Both geese and ducks are kosher. For stuff that flies its feathers and gizzards. Philosophically speaking it is. See my elaboration on it.
Also the only Paul I know offhand is Ron Paul, lol. Saul named Paul after following Jesus. He killed Christians in his past, then denied knowing Christ 3x before the night was over after his Crucifixion. He was the person that started the early Christian church.
Erm.. Peter was the x3 denier not Paul.
Paul was the one who mass slaughtered christians before having the experience on the road to Damascus that blinded him. Thank you for that, yes. Paul didn't deny, he was known as a hot-head. He spent his years after Christ teaching forgiveness and love. The exact opposite of his pre-Jesus self.
Caitsith.Heimdall
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2012-01-18 15:00:06
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Wait a second, you guys get to call my bedroom activities a sin and when I point out why your ***is rubbish, I'm the harasser? :P
well to be honest it might not be a sin , i remember a passage in the bible about incest and considering it good. something about 2 daughters laying with their father to bare his seed before he died so that the family name wouldnt die out or the conquering soldiers wouldnt have their virginity i forget the reason why exactly just that was viewed as a noble act in the bible.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-18 15:04:04
Caitsith.Heimdall said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Wait a second, you guys get to call my bedroom activities a sin and when I point out why your ***is rubbish, I'm the harasser? :P
well to be honest it might not be a sin , i remember a passage in the bible about incest and considering it good. something about 2 daughters laying with their father to bare his seed before he died so that the family name wouldnt die out or the conquering soldiers wouldnt have their virginity i forget the reason why exactly just that was viewed as a noble act in the bible. Last names were a big deal in those days. Rape was also just as frowned upon (if not more so than now), so it was better for the girls' future to lose their virginity willingly to their father, than unwillingly to invading soldiers. Women didn't have the rights of today, and losing virginity unwillingly to an unknown third party essentially devalued the women to worthlessness. They had nothing to market to potential husbands. With no way to earn income, or own property/possessions, marriage was the one thing assuring a good life for a woman.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-18 15:06:53
Caitsith.Heimdall said: »Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
Not really. If you study history or theology you will find Paul is the problem with Christianity. Not because of who he was, but because of what he did.
P.S. Both geese and ducks are kosher. For stuff that flies its feathers and gizzards. Philosophically speaking it is. See my elaboration on it.
Also the only Paul I know offhand is Ron Paul, lol.
She/he is talking about the Apostle Paul who organized the Christian church I'm assuming.
So u saying Christianity was founded by someone who didn't even believe it in the first place....
Not really. Jesus founded the beliefs. Post Jesus' death Peter and the other remaining disciples continued to preach and establish churches (not buildings so much as clusters of believers).
After a bit a dude named Saul was killing mass Christians when he had a come to Jesus moment and changed his name to Paul. He also began to preach and began to write letters to the different clusters telling them what to do and what they were doing wrong. These letters make up a good portion of the new testament of the bible.
Paul is responsible for organizing the different sects into a more cohesive organization.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-18 15:07:27
For all I know you guys are making this stuff up as we go along.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 15:08:47
For all I know you guys are making this stuff up as we go along.
Google search still works.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-18 15:09:48
lol, I'm sure someone understood the joke.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-18 15:14:10
Caitsith.Heimdall said: »Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
Not really. If you study history or theology you will find Paul is the problem with Christianity. Not because of who he was, but because of what he did.
P.S. Both geese and ducks are kosher. For stuff that flies its feathers and gizzards. Philosophically speaking it is. See my elaboration on it.
Also the only Paul I know offhand is Ron Paul, lol.
She/he is talking about the Apostle Paul who organized the Christian church I'm assuming.
So u saying Christianity was founded by someone who didn't even believe it in the first place....
Not really. Jesus founded the beliefs. Post Jesus' death Peter and the other remaining disciples continued to preach and establish churches (not buildings so much as clusters of believers).
After a bit a dude named Saul was killing mass Christians when he had a come to Jesus moment and changed his name to Paul. He also began to preach and began to write letters to the different clusters telling them what to do and what they were doing wrong. These letters make up a good portion of the new testament of the bible.
Paul is responsible for organizing the different sects into a more cohesive organization. Yes, he said in great detail how churches are to conduct themselves. To which, a vast majority do not follow properly. This is why you have both hell and brimstone churches, and churches that preach purgatory with no hell all either to be able to say they are more pious than others, or to say they have more new people joining the church.
Caitsith.Sai
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-18 15:19:31
Interesting that people put more of their faith into the words of Paul instead of the red letters.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-18 15:22:41
Quote: MATTHEW 12: 31-32 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come".
And thus we've found a contradiction within the text. The stuff that starts wars, promotes violence within sects of Christianity and makes inquisitions possible.
Which is correct?
Caitsith.Heimdall
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2012-01-18 15:25:27
Caitsith.Heimdall said: »Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
Not really. If you study history or theology you will find Paul is the problem with Christianity. Not because of who he was, but because of what he did.
P.S. Both geese and ducks are kosher. For stuff that flies its feathers and gizzards. Philosophically speaking it is. See my elaboration on it.
Also the only Paul I know offhand is Ron Paul, lol.
She/he is talking about the Apostle Paul who organized the Christian church I'm assuming.
So u saying Christianity was founded by someone who didn't even believe it in the first place....
Not really. Jesus founded the beliefs. Post Jesus' death Peter and the other remaining disciples continued to preach and establish churches (not buildings so much as clusters of believers).
After a bit a dude named Saul was killing mass Christians when he had a come to Jesus moment and changed his name to Paul. He also began to preach and began to write letters to the different clusters telling them what to do and what they were doing wrong. These letters make up a good portion of the new testament of the bible.
Paul is responsible for organizing the different sects into a more cohesive organization. Yes, he said in great detail how churches are to conduct themselves. To which, a vast majority do not follow properly. This is why you have both hell and brimstone churches, and churches that preach purgatory with no hell all either to be able to say they are more pious than others, or to say they have more new people joining the church. if i remb right didnt he specifically say that the religion in general wasnt suppose be centralized like in a place of gathering like churchs. Got bare with me been years since was over this stuff so going as remb.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-18 15:28:24
Interesting that people put more of their faith into the words of Paul instead of the red letters.
If what Paul said isn't important then why is it in the text? Further, why is the OT in the text if its an old covenant that has nothing to do with today's Christianity? Why do people faithgasm over the Ten Commandments? Why are things like slavery cherrypicked out?
The Bible is considered one of the most important tomes ever compiled and you're telling me its loaded with passages that aren't important or should be discarded?
Christians can't even determine what's important amongst themselves and this has been the cause of wars for centuries. For a text of divine origin to fail to deliver a coherent message is pretty telling especially when the author created humans and are aware of all of our flaws.
Further, if the text has become corrupted then the divine architect of the universe should simply beam us a revised copy. Do people need continuously die over something that could be solved by some divine intervention? People say God is working miracles daily yet one of the most important (clearing up the Bible) is apparently not high priority?
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-18 15:29:02
Interesting that people put more of their faith into the words of Paul instead of the red letters. Sad but true.
Caitsith.Heimdall said: »if i remb right didnt he specifically say that the religion in general wasnt suppose be centralized like in a place of gathering like churchs. Got bare with me been years since was over this stuff so going as remb.
Yes, and no. He said that religion didn't start/stop in a building. It wasn't a temple. We were the temple, and Christianity was to be lived by our thoughts and actions. He did say, however, that it was good to convene with like, minded people to help hold one another accountable and to be a support system.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-18 15:34:41
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Interesting that people put more of their faith into the words of Paul instead of the red letters.
If what Paul said isn't important then why is it in the text? Further, why is the OT in the text if its an old covenant that has nothing to do with today's Christianity? Why do people faithgasm over the Ten Commandments? Why are things like slavery cherrypicked out?
The Bible is considered one of the most important tomes ever compiled and you're telling me its loaded with passages that aren't important or should be discarded?
Christians can't even determine what's important amongst themselves and this has been the cause of wars for centuries. For a text of divine origin to fail to deliver a coherent message is pretty telling especially when the author created humans and are aware of all of our flaws.
Further, if the text has become corrupted then the divine architect of the universe should simply beam us a revised copy. Do people need continuously die over something that could be solved by some divine intervention? People say God is working miracles daily yet one of the most important (clearing up the Bible) is apparently not high priority? We aren't to die over it, we are to live because He died. People have this twisted.
Paul's teachings were very important. What Sai was saying, is that people get caught up so much in how churches should act, that they fight amongst themselves instead of focusing on the vastly more important thing of Jesus telling us how to live.
The commandments were a covenant that we failed to be able to adhere to. It is still there so we have a reminder of our failures and why it is imperative to NOT be caught up in judging one another's flaws, and instead focus on love and forgiveness.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-18 15:35:16
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Interesting that people put more of their faith into the words of Paul instead of the red letters.
If what Paul said isn't important then why is it in the text? Further, why is the OT in the text if its an old covenant that has nothing to do with today's Christianity? Why do people faithgasm over the Ten Commandments? Why are things like slavery cherrypicked out?
Christians can't even determine what's important amongst themselves and this has been the cause of wars for centuries. For a text of divine origin to fail to deliver a coherent message is pretty telling especially when the author created humans and are aware of all of our flaws.
Thats all religious politics.
Overall, having grown up in that system I do actually understand how it all fits together and I think the overall story arch is fairly clear, but after that it gets pretty HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE with interpretations and what not.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 18:06:35
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Quote: MATTHEW 12: 31-32 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come".
And thus we've found a contradiction within the text. The stuff that starts wars, promotes violence within sects of Christianity and makes inquisitions possible.
Which is correct?
Both. Sinners who are not truly repentant will still not inherit God's Kingdom.
You, me, or any other person will not know what true repentance is. So before you bring up some BS about homosexual not being wrong or being wrong, let's leave it at this. Right now some people don't think/know it is wrong. When face to face with God, if he exists, and told of your sins, only then will you know what he considers repentance.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-18 18:17:43
Another question I have:
Seeing as how there are contradictions in the Bible, some take the argument that it's because men wrote it down or translated it, and men are flawed. With this in mind, how are we to determine which passages are legitimate and which passages ought be disregarded?
By khidafi916 2012-01-18 18:20:22
god? god isent real. the second you guys understand this the better off you are, a holy ghost in the sky watching down on us? your high... you believe a book that has been re writen how many times? to the way a king wanted it to be? im so sick of ppl trying to shove this crap down pplz throats. god pssh a waste of time and a way to try and control the way ppl live. god hahahha you still believe in the easter bunny also? LOL
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 18:22:05
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Another question I have:
Seeing as how there are contradictions in the Bible, some take the argument that it's because men wrote it down or translated it, and men are flawed. With this in mind, how are we to determine which passages are legitimate and which passages ought be disregarded?
Could you be more specific on the "contradictions" a lot of the "contradictions" I have been presented with end up as people not realizing their is lines before and after a scripture that clarifies it, or instances where one passage comes at a later time and you follow the latter passage.
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-01-18 18:22:40
god? god isent real. the second you guys understand this the better off you are, a holy ghost in the sky watching down on us? your high... you believe a book that has been re writen how many times? to the way a king wanted it to be? im so sick of ppl trying to shove this crap down pplz throats. god pssh a waste of time and a way to try and control the way ppl live. god hahahha you still believe in the easter bunny also? LOL
You're a shining example of how we'd all be better, correct?
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 18:24:04
god? god isent real. the second you guys understand this the better off you are, a holy ghost in the sky watching down on us? your high... you believe a book that has been re writen how many times? to the way a king wanted it to be? im so sick of ppl trying to shove this crap down pplz throats. god pssh a waste of time and a way to try and control the way ppl live. god hahahha you still believe in the easter bunny also? LOL
Congratulations, you have convinced nobody to change their mind, have added nothing valuable to the conversation other than a chance at some drama and display all the ignorance of those you dislike by pushing your non-fact off as if it is set in stone. And people on either side wonder why this issue cannot be handled maturely and friendly.
By khidafi916 2012-01-18 18:27:42
lol you dident reply to my question... do you still believe in the easter bunny....
These are commandments in the Bible for Christians to act in our world. They were part of a lesson at my church two Sundays ago. I am not a fan of the 'if God weren't real' hypothetical situation myself, but taking that stance, let's look at the following.
Quote: James 1:27-Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. Quote: Ephesians 4:32-Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Quote: Matthew 7:1-4-Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Quote: Acts 2:43-44-Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Quote: Galatians 5:22-23-But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Now, with those verses stated; I am no supporter of taking things out of context to obscure the truth of a passage, as you all know. I am not taking these things out of context to prove some hair brained, conjured truth. No, I am picking these verses as a challenge to all whom may read this that call themselves Christians. Do these things in your daily walk. If you do nothing else, do these things out of Love. Pure, unbiased, selfless love.
I think it is fairly safe to assume that theists and non theists alike can agree that if all proclaimed Christians did these simple tasks; cared for the orphaned and widowed, sold their possessions to take care of the needy, be kind and forgiving, be non-judgmental, and produce the fruits of the spirit: that each Christian would leave this world a better place than they came into it. Remove entirely the possibility of God's existence, or an eternal life. Simply look at those works, and the innate selflessness built into them. Would this world not be better?
With that said, here is my basis for the love message I have been so adamant about lately. It is also the basis in which I tie every facet of my belief and life unto.
Quote: 1 Corinthians 13-If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
This is the second covenant God created with man. It is no longer about following certain, strict rules for fear of hell. It is about a lifestyle that all thoughts and actions are derived from love. Doing things out of love for others makes those things not a sin. It is no longer the action, but the reason behind the action. 1 Corinthians goes on a few more verses to discuss love further. I think it would be good for theists and non alike to at least read up until 13:13.
I plead to you, community of FFXIAH, to hold me accountable to all things of these verses in what I do and say on here. If I am outside of the realm of these, please let me know and I will apologize and correct accordingly. I challenge all other Christians to stick to these tenants as well, and you can bet that I will (out of love) hold you accountable.
If you tl;dr, I'm sorry it wasn't worth your time. If you did read, I am open to your thoughts and criticisms.
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