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How Christians can Make the World a Better Place
zahrah said: » Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » You silly geese. Noscript defeats the wikiblock, search away. Geese?!? I can't here them! Where are they? /feels around for the geese in the darkness Hey, I knew what you were talking about, but I'm trying to keep myself to jokes and quips this time and not turn into a RAWWRWARWRARWATHEISMGOODTHEISMBAD maniac again :P
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Caitsith.Sai said: » Odin.Daemun said: » I agree with you, everyone should love themselves, and not be ashamed of themselves. I wasn't trying to say that at all. Merely, we should never be complacent with where we stand, and always look for ways to improve what is already a wonderful person. Hmm. I dont really understand what you mean here. How is one complacent in who they are? How do I become more me tomorrow than I am today? If you mean that through experience I understand myself better, then wont that happen regardless? As long as you are alive you will have experiences that cause self discovery but that doesnt really fit with anti-complacency. Are you speaking strictly religiously? That you need to be more Christian everyday? But if thats the case, how can you not be ashamed of the parts of you that arent all the way Christian yet? Caitsith.Sai said: » Bismarck.Josiahkf said: » it means recognizing things one sees as ones flaws and limits, then overcoming them Again, nonsensical talk. What if like my flaws b/c I believe they are part of makes me different from everyone else? What if my limits are things that are best left alone? At that point am I a maximum level human? Like I said, it sounds like a good motivational thing to tell oneself, but in reality it doesn't mean anything. A statement that literally means a different thing to each different person, doesn't mean anything at all. The only constant is change. There's only growth or decay...If you aren't growing...you are decaying.
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Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Ragnarok.Evandis said: » Caitsith.Sai said: » Ragnarok.Evandis said: » That's apples to oranges. I am saying, everyone is responsible for the decisions they make, or sins they commit and if they choose to commit them, then they alone will answer for those actions to God. Why should I hate them for a decision that will literally only affect them. How you have even associated someone choosing to be a homosexual to the atrocities committed on people who were unwilling to have them committed on them is beyond me. Oh can of worms, I command thee, OPEN! So some dude likes to have penis up his ***, that = eternity in hell? And the craziest part of all, is that makes total sense to you. The choice is in the act, first of all, not the feelings. And ChaosX will even tell you that I do not believe homosexuality is a guaranteed ticket to "hell." yep lets repress them until they have psychological problems and feel like ***and end up killing themselves. GG religion And he will also tell you that I don't believe in repressing them either. Reading comprehension is very minimal with this one. Artemicion said: » Ragnarok.Evandis said: » Always back to the OT *rolls eyes.* It's like atheists actually think they know what they are talking about. Let's put it in simpler terms for them to understand. Christianity is about living in Jesus' footsteps. He lived the perfect Christian life in which he neither sacrificed animals or stoned people to death, but rather preached love and forgiveness. We follow his example, so if you need any more proof that quoting the OT is just your fallback plan in face of the facts, look at how the Bible describes Jesus' life, it automatically invalidates your argument for using the OT to condemn Christians. Most of you aren't atheist, you are anti-theist and that makes you no better than the Westboro Baptist Church members. Let's be honest here, including with ourselves. How many Christians out of the whole would you say even so much as aspire to follow in Jesus Christ's footsteps and follow his cause?
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Odin.Liela said: » These (the OP, I mean) are simple guidelines that can be followed regardless of religious belief. I think the point that Daemun is trying to make is that not all Christians do these things, but all Christians should do them. It seems like a plea for Christians to act like their Jesus. As for those of us who don't believe, we can still be perfectly good people without it. No one is disputing that, I think. I'm always adding to my little 'morals melting-pot.' When I see something I like, I toss it into the pot. Here's my pot: Harm None (Wicca) Do what is right, regardless of what you are told (some girl on Facebook) Treat others how you'd like to be treated (Bible) Before speaking, consider three things: Is it kind, is it true, and is it necessary. If it satisfies all three, say it. (My dad) (I kinda fudge this one and say stuff that isn't necessary all the time. Sorry, Daddy!) If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. (Thumper's mother from Bambi) (This is not always realistic, of course. Sometimes you have to say things that might hurt someone's feelings. But try not to.) Be nice (Me) Live and Let live (uh... some hippy or someone) If two people have the exact same opinion on every single issue, one of them is lying. We are made to have differing opinions and no opinion is superior to another. (My high school biology teacher) Of my pot, the ones I think of most are probably "Harm None" and "Live and Let Live." I'm happy with myself if I follow those two. Thank you for putting this in your own words so maybe a few others can understand what I meant. This was exactly my point. Many Christians do not partake in these activities. We all should. It shouldn't be for our own glory or gain, it should solely be out of selfless love towards others. I also wasn't saying that anyone not a Christian needs to follow these principles so they too can be holy. Hardly. I asked if non Christians would accept these as "positive world changing deeds".
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The idea of an all-loving, all-forgiving God and Hell existing (let alone being an eternal place of damnation. Maybe temporary, I could understand. Maaaaaaaaaaybe. Or Anne Rice's Hell) doesn't make sense.
Nor does something of such great power even caring where I stick my doodah. I kind of see it in terms of bacteria. If we observed two pieces of microscopic bacteria fighting to the death, would we really care beyond "How can I learn from this for the benefit of humans, hm..."? I've never seen a kid in bio lab feel pity for yeast. If God was omnipotent, omniscient, so on, there's so much more space between him and us than us and yeast that I doubt he'd have any reason to care. We're not even bacteria.
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Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » yep lets repress them until they have psychological problems and feel like ***and end up killing themselves. GG religion Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: » The idea of an all-loving, all-forgiving God and Hell existing (let alone being an eternal place of damnation. Maybe temporary, I could understand. Maaaaaaaaaaybe. Or Anne Rice's Hell) doesn't make sense. Nor does something of such great power even caring where I stick my doodah. I kind of see it in terms of bacteria. If we observed two pieces of microscopic bacteria fighting to the death, would we really care beyond "How can I learn from this for the benefit of humans, hm..."? I've never seen a kid in bio lab feel pity for yeast. If God was omnipotent, omniscient, so on, there's so much more space between him and us than us and yeast that I doubt he'd have any reason to care. We're not even bacteria. Not all Christians believe in hell as is it is defined.
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What. The. ***.
Leviathan.Hohenheim posting privileges revoked. Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: » The idea of an all-loving, all-forgiving God and Hell existing (let alone being an eternal place of damnation. Maybe temporary, I could understand. Maaaaaaaaaaybe. Or Anne Rice's Hell) doesn't make sense. Nor does something of such great power even caring where I stick my doodah. I kind of see it in terms of bacteria. If we observed two pieces of microscopic bacteria fighting to the death, would we really care beyond "How can I learn from this for the benefit of humans, hm..."? I've never seen a kid in bio lab feel pity for yeast. If God was omnipotent, omniscient, so on, there's so much more space between him and us than us and yeast that I doubt he'd have any reason to care. We're not even bacteria. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Turds! I typoed! Ugh! /sigh I believe that geese are delicious. Now will they come to me?
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Odin.Daemun said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » yep lets repress them until they have psychological problems and feel like ***and end up killing themselves. GG religion I dunno, bullying is powerful. Just recently a few bullies pushed a girl to suicide in my home town. She threw herself in front of a bus. Homosexuals deal with loads of bullying and abuse. It's not all that easy to just say "I'm not going to let that bother me." I don't think it's really the words that hurt, but the emotion and justification behind them. When I got made fun of for being an atheist in middle school, it was the emotion behind it that really hurt me: You're different, so you're not as righteous as us! My pastor told me to hate you, so I'm going to call you 'that *** atheist'. I thought you were a good person, but that can't be if you don't love Jesus. You should burn in hell. I don't understand you, and so I hate you. It took me a few years to grow a thick skin and for those comments to galvanize me. My heart goes out to those that are told: You're different, so you should just conform to the normal sex acts! I find sticking penises together disgusting, so you should feel bad! You're being judged because you're not perfect, just know that! In any number of ways.
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Bahamut.Krizz said: » What. The. ***. Leviathan.Hohenheim posting privileges revoked. If I did, I kind of wished to see his thoughts on what I said. Krizz would you pm it to me if that's the case? I won't be offended. Cool if you won't due to privacy issues too. Odin.Daemun said: » Another, imperfect human's opinion of you shouldn't make you kill yourself. You and you alone are in control of your self worth. Don't allow someone else's thoughts make a burden of yours. This is extremely difficult when it's mom, dad and family - the people you trust the most telling you homosexuality = instant hellfire, torture, pain and annihilation for all eternity. There are churches that simulate hell in burning sheds complete with mock smoke, screams, sound effects and lighting. Think about what that does to developing minds. Why do you think most atheists are afraid to come out? Mom and Dad are going to kick your *** out the door and disown you in some cases. The religion of peace has a great habit of turning people into irrational beings devoid of any higher thinking orders. It doesn't happen to all theists but the population definitely is there.
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Bahamut.Krizz said: » What. The. ***. Leviathan.Hohenheim posting privileges revoked. Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Odin.Daemun said: » Another, imperfect human's opinion of you shouldn't make you kill yourself. You and you alone are in control of your self worth. Don't allow someone else's thoughts make a burden of yours. This is extremely difficult when it's mom, dad and family - the people you trust the most telling you homosexuality = instant hellfire, torture, pain and annihilation for all eternity. Why do you think most atheists are afraid to come out? Mom and Dad are going to kick your *** out the door and disown you. The religion of peace has a great habit of turning people into irrational beings devoid of any higher thinking orders. It doesn't happen to all theists but the population definitely is there. I've also gone through this. My family did not take as kindly to my atheism as I had hoped... They still don't really know about my sexuality. I'll keep that closeted, for the time. If I ever have a male partner, I guess they'll be finding something out. /shrug Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: » Odin.Daemun said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » yep lets repress them until they have psychological problems and feel like ***and end up killing themselves. GG religion I dunno, bullying is powerful. Just recently a few bullies pushed a girl to suicide in my home town. She threw herself in front of a bus. Homosexuals deal with loads of bullying and abuse. It's not all that easy to just say "I'm not going to let that bother me." I don't think it's really the words that hurt, but the emotion and justification behind them. When I got made fun of for being an atheist in middle school, it was the emotion behind it that really hurt me: You're different, so you're not as righteous as us! My pastor told me to hate you, so I'm going to call you 'that *** atheist'. I thought you were a good person, but that can't be if you don't love Jesus. You should burn in hell. I don't understand you, and so I hate you. It took me a few years to grow a thick skin and for those comments to galvanize me. My heart goes out to those that are told: You're different, so you should just conform to the normal sex acts! I find sticking penises together disgusting, so you should feel bad! You're being judged because you're not perfect, just know that! In any number of ways. And no person worth their salt should be okay with this behavior for any reason, religion or not. Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: » Odin.Daemun said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » yep lets repress them until they have psychological problems and feel like ***and end up killing themselves. GG religion I dunno, bullying is powerful. Just recently a few bullies pushed a girl to suicide in my home town. She threw herself in front of a bus. Homosexuals deal with loads of bullying and abuse. It's not all that easy to just say "I'm not going to let that bother me." I don't think it's really the words that hurt, but the emotion and justification behind them. When I got made fun of for being an atheist in middle school, it was the emotion behind it that really hurt me: You're different, so you're not as righteous as us! My pastor told me to hate you, so I'm going to call you 'that *** atheist'. I thought you were a good person, but that can't be if you don't love Jesus. You should burn in hell. I don't understand you, and so I hate you. It took me a few years to grow a thick skin and for those comments to galvanize me. My heart goes out to those that are told: You're different, so you should just conform to the normal sex acts! I find sticking penises together disgusting, so you should feel bad! You're being judged because you're not perfect, just know that! In any number of ways.
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