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How Christians can Make the World a Better Place
 Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-18 13:09:43
Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
:o I don't understand. Can you help me Chaos? Can pm if you don't want to derail too much. I'll try to make it as simple as possible. What other religions claim to have a messiah that's the son of god?
There's nothing wrong with learning from what Jesus did, but to bestow upon him this title of the the son the god is akin to making him a god or god like person. Suddenly a person becomes immune to any scrutiny and therefore anything they say or do becomes the standard for perfection.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2012-01-18 13:09:50
Right, because it's the hardcore conservative christians that are supporting the so-called Obamacare.
Don't give me this mandate nonsense, the real reason why the conservative christians don't support Obamacare is because they'll partly be paying health insurance for the poor, for those who can't affording it. Tens of millions of poor people will now be put on government health insurance who didn't have any before. Fox News and the Heritage foundation(aka conservative propaganda machine), time and time again, brag about how religious they are, how christian they are, then time and time again, go out to attack the poor, telling their sheep how comfortable and convenient their lives are because most of them own a microwave and a refrigerator.
And then we get christians like the ones found in this topic, completely ignorant of the real world, who go around sprouting jesus's original message, love others, help the poor, etc; and pretend they're the only ones that can or will do so.
It's a complete joke.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-18 13:10:29
Rewrite the bible from scratch.
I like Ecclesiastes, but during confirmation classes, I was told by the second pastor I had it was the most superfluous book in the Bible. Can we do it to spite him? Can we keep it? It's kind of morose, but from a poetic stand point, it's a better read than Psalms.
You know what? It's probably not good to mention Ecclesiastes in this thread. My mistake. Sorry wikipedia is down today, so I have no clue who that is.
lol...
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 13:12:09
Always back to the OT *rolls eyes.*
It's like atheists actually think they know what they are talking about.
Let's put it in simpler terms for them to understand. Christianity is about living in Jesus' footsteps. He lived the perfect Christian life in which he neither sacrificed animals or stoned people to death, but rather preached love and forgiveness. We follow his example, so if you need any more proof that quoting the OT is just your fallback plan in face of the facts, look at how the Bible describes Jesus' life, it automatically invalidates your argument for using the OT to condemn Christians.
Most of you aren't atheist, you are anti-theist and that makes you no better than the Westboro Baptist Church members.
Let's be honest here, including with ourselves.
How many Christians out of the whole would you say even so much as aspire to follow in Jesus Christ's footsteps and follow his cause?
If you want me to be honest? Then all of them.
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Now before you respond with some negative post calling me an idiot. here is what I mean, to claim you are a Christian does not make you a Christian. I will stand on the front lines with any atheist and denounce someone who claims to be a Christian but does not try to live in Jesus' footsteps. If you show me a "Christian" spouting hate, I will gladly use their very words to prove they aren't a Christian by quoting the very book they they hold so dear.
My answer is that I wouldn't give them the dignity of calling them Christian for the way they act.
I commend your outlook; I simply wish more shared it with you.
If you show me a "Christian" spouting hate, I will gladly use their very words to prove they aren't a Christian by quoting the very book they they hold so dear.
But I believe you have your work cut out for you, and will have a chance to see first hand at what drives atheists up a wall.
When Westboro was up my way condemning a soldiers funeral, I showed up to protest against them. I have to live with the outcome of their BS, cause when they are done, they just go back to their cult HQ, while all the Christians in the area bare the scorn they created for us.
I do what I can.
This just proves you don't understand Jesus' teachings at all.
You know the story of Zacchaeus I assume? Jesus didn't protest him for being a jackass tax collector, he went to his house and had lunch with him. I'm willing to bet you didnt offer any of the Westboro people lunch. Did you do anything other than respond to hate with more hate?
And why are you complaining about having to bear the bad name they give you? What do you think Christ meant when he said to pick up your cross and follow me?
Jesus healed the ear of a solider that was arresting him for nothing.
Again, your trying to prove how Christian you are by bragging about your un-Christian like behavior.
Oh the ironing.
All I read was:
"Damned if you do, damned if you don't."
You are just one of those people who lives only to condemn a Christian no matter their acts.
You clearly have no clue about the WBC, and how they have responded to pleas and discussions from other Christian organizations.
I do pick up my cross, I am fighting for Christianity every day, against relentless attacks from ironic atheists, or hateful rhetoric from other religions. That statement means that I am proud to be a Christian and announce it freely and openly. It does not mean that I tolerate people to use my beliefs in the improper ways that they do.
Protesting against people who say things like "God hates soldiers." and "God hates ***." Is not spewing hatred against hatred. Standing there and blocking them from interrupting a funeral procession is not hatred. Informing them of the very scriptures they ignore is not hatred.
And you know what else is frustrating, when people use the wrong version of a word when in the very post they quote it's used correctly.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-18 13:14:06
Rewrite the bible from scratch.
I like Ecclesiastes, but during confirmation classes, I was told by the second pastor I had it was the most superfluous book in the Bible. Can we do it to spite him? Can we keep it? It's kind of morose, but from a poetic stand point, it's a better read than Psalms.
You know what? It's probably not good to mention Ecclesiastes in this thread. My mistake.
The Jeffersonian Bible is quite an interesting read, to say the least, and it is one that which I can agree with.
By zahrah 2012-01-18 13:14:25
Rewrite the bible from scratch.
I like Ecclesiastes, but during confirmation classes, I was told by the second pastor I had it was the most superfluous book in the Bible. Can we do it to spite him? Can we keep it? It's kind of morose, but from a poetic stand point, it's a better read than Psalms.
You know what? It's probably not good to mention Ecclesiastes in this thread. My mistake. Sorry wikipedia is down today, so I have no clue who that is.
lol...
OMG! I was wondering if I put this in the wrong religion thread. The darkness! It scares and confuses me!
The lessons from it are really not that great. The book preaches hopelessness and fear, but from a literary stand point, it ain't that bad. Very melancholy.
I just tossed that out there as a joke. Good day to see who's who and what's what now that Wiki is down! LOL!
We'll see who uses Wiki crutches.
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By Odin.Liela 2012-01-18 13:15:38
Jesus is the problem with Christianity. Not because of what he did, but because of who he was.
:o I don't understand. Can you help me Chaos? Can pm if you don't want to derail too much. I'll try to make it as simple as possible. What other religions claim to have a messiah that's the son of god?
There's nothing wrong with learning from what Jesus did, but to bestow upon him this title of the the son the god is akin to making him a god or god like person. Suddenly a person becomes immune to any scrutiny and therefore anything they say or do becomes the standard for perfection.
Oh, I see! Yes, that does make sense.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-18 13:16:13
@Evandis
Did you learn nothing from that previous thread?
You don't hate homosexuals, you don't bother them, etc.
Yet you firmly believe that homosexuality is a sin.
Why?
Because god said so.
You've just taken all the responsibility a non-religious person has for their morals and dumped it on god. Absolving you of any responsibility because god says so.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 13:17:27
Right, because it's the hardcore conservative christians that are supporting the so-called Obamacare.
Don't give me this mandate nonsense, the real reason why the conservative christians don't support Obamacare is because they'll partly be paying health insurance for the poor, for those who can't affording it. Tens of millions of poor people will now be put on government health insurance who didn't have any before. Fox News and the Heritage foundation(aka conservative propaganda machine), time and time again, brag about how religious they are, how christian they are, then time and time again, go out to attack the poor, telling their sheep how comfortable and convenient their lives are because most of them own a microwave and a refrigerator.
And then we get christians like the ones found in this topic, completely ignorant of the real world, who go around sprouting jesus's original message, love others, help the poor, etc; and pretend they're the only ones that can or will do so.
It's a complete joke.
The only joke is the person who preaches acceptance and open-mindedness in the same breath as condemning all people of a certain group for the actions of a small portion of it.
Once again, no one is going to post up a news story about "Peaceful Christian Minds His Own Business," so all people hear about is the minority spouting off their nonsense.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-18 13:18:41
Right, because it's the hardcore conservative christians that are supporting the so-called Obamacare.
Don't give me this mandate nonsense, the real reason why the conservative christians don't support Obamacare is because they'll partly be paying health insurance for the poor, for those who can't affording it. Tens of millions of poor people will now be put on government health insurance who didn't have any before. Fox News and the Heritage foundation(aka conservative propaganda machine), time and time again, brag about how religious they are, how christian they are, then time and time again, go out to attack the poor, telling their sheep how comfortable and convenient their lives are because most of them own a microwave and a refrigerator.
And then we get christians like the ones found in this topic, completely ignorant of the real world, who go around sprouting jesus's original message, love others, help the poor, etc; and pretend they're the only ones that can or will do so.
It's a complete joke. 
Ragnarok.Evandis
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 13:20:18
@Evandis
Did you learn nothing from that previous thread?
You don't hate homosexuals, you don't bother them, etc.
Yet you firmly believe that homosexuality is a sin.
Why?
Because god said so.
You've just taken all the responsibility a non-religious person has for their morals and dumped it on god. Absolving you of any responsibility because god says so.
I also believe pre-marital sex and having a child out of wedlock is a sin. Things I am guilty of. I don't view any of those sins as a greater sin than the other.
I don't hate myself, so what would really make me a hypocrite is to hate someone because of a sin they committed.
I think everyone agrees that I am free to believe something is wrong, as long as I don't interfere with, interrupt, harass, attack, etc. that other person. If I don't try to frustrate their movement for legal equality (which I agree with, because our country is one of freedom not Christianity), then what exactly am I doing wrong?
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2012-01-18 13:21:15
Rewrite the bible from scratch.
I like Ecclesiastes, but during confirmation classes, I was told by the second pastor I had it was the most superfluous book in the Bible. Can we do it to spite him? Can we keep it? It's kind of morose, but from a poetic stand point, it's a better read than Psalms.
You know what? It's probably not good to mention Ecclesiastes in this thread. My mistake.
tomas jefferson actually did that in a way made a edited version removeing the supernatural and what he beleived mis reprensations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-18 13:28:14
@Evandis
Did you learn nothing from that previous thread?
You don't hate homosexuals, you don't bother them, etc.
Yet you firmly believe that homosexuality is a sin.
Why?
Because god said so.
You've just taken all the responsibility a non-religious person has for their morals and dumped it on god. Absolving you of any responsibility because god says so.
I also believe pre-marital sex and having a child out of wedlock is a sin. Things I am guilty of. I don't view any of those sins as a greater sin than the other.
I don't hate myself, so what would really make me a hypocrite is to hate someone because of a sin they committed.
I think everyone agrees that I am free to believe something is wrong, as long as I don't interfere with, interrupt, harass, attack, etc. that other person. If I don't try to frustrate their movement for legal equality (which I agree with, because our country is one of freedom not Christianity), then what exactly am I doing wrong? You're taking your beliefs and making them god's by saying it's a sin.
It's fine to disagree with something. It's even better not to interfere or persecute others who do things you don't agree with. But to take those beliefs and make them god's plan/law/or w/e is the problem.
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Ragnarok.Evandis
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 13:30:01
@Evandis
Did you learn nothing from that previous thread?
You don't hate homosexuals, you don't bother them, etc.
Yet you firmly believe that homosexuality is a sin.
Why?
Because god said so.
You've just taken all the responsibility a non-religious person has for their morals and dumped it on god. Absolving you of any responsibility because god says so.
I also believe pre-marital sex and having a child out of wedlock is a sin. Things I am guilty of. I don't view any of those sins as a greater sin than the other.
I don't hate myself, so what would really make me a hypocrite is to hate someone because of a sin they committed.
I think everyone agrees that I am free to believe something is wrong, as long as I don't interfere with, interrupt, harass, attack, etc. that other person. If I don't try to frustrate their movement for legal equality (which I agree with, because our country is one of freedom not Christianity), then what exactly am I doing wrong? You're taking your beliefs and making them god's by saying it's a sin.
It's fine to disagree with something. It's even better not to interfere or persecute others who do things you don't agree with. But to take those beliefs and make them god's plan/law/or w/e is the problem.
Why is that the problem?
You don't believe in God, but yet you get upset at His plan/law. That makes no sense to me. Someone who doesn't believe in something shouldn't even care about the details believing entails.
That's like me saying I don't believe in the boogey man and then checking under my bed because the neighbor's son does.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-18 13:30:30
Rewrite the bible from scratch.
I like Ecclesiastes, but during confirmation classes, I was told by the second pastor I had it was the most superfluous book in the Bible. Can we do it to spite him? Can we keep it? It's kind of morose, but from a poetic stand point, it's a better read than Psalms.
You know what? It's probably not good to mention Ecclesiastes in this thread. My mistake. Sorry wikipedia is down today, so I have no clue who that is.
lol...
OMG! I was wondering if I put this in the wrong religion thread. The darkness! It scares and confuses me!
The lessons from it are really not that great. The book preaches hopelessness and fear, but from a literary stand point, it ain't that bad. Very melancholy.
I just tossed that out there as a joke. Good day to see who's who and what's what now that Wiki is down! LOL!
We'll see who uses Wiki crutches. I'd admit when it comes to specifics in the religion or history I'm looking stuff up all the time.
But when it comes to the philosophy behind it all, well that you can't look up.
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By zahrah 2012-01-18 13:34:07
I also believe pre-marital sex and having a child out of wedlock is a sin.
What if someone was raped? Would they be considered a sinner for the sin of another who committed the act? If they conceived a child from rape would the child be considered a *** in your eyes? There are circumstances where every human must give leeway.
I don't like to believe in a God of fire, brimstone, damn-nation, and hell. Circumstances that life throw at people and human beings themselves are more complex.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 13:35:56
I also believe pre-marital sex and having a child out of wedlock is a sin.
What if someone was raped? Would they be considered a sinner for the sin of another who committed the act? If they conceived a child from rape would the child be considered a *** in your eyes? There are circumstances where every human must give leeway.
I don't like to believe in a God of fire, brimstone, damn-nation, and hell. Circumstances that life throw at people and human beings themselves are more complex. Quote: "But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. 26"But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case. 27"When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her," (Deut. 22:25-27 ).
I think that pretty much sums up your concern about rape.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-18 13:36:16
I read was:
"Damned if you do, damned if you don't."
You are just one of those people who lives only to condemn a Christian no matter their acts.
Wrong. But I do enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy.
Quote: You clearly have no clue about the WBC, and how they have responded to pleas and discussions from other Christian organizations.
I dont live under a rock, I know all about those clowns and their antics.
Quote: I do pick up my cross, I am fighting for Christianity every day, against relentless attacks from ironic atheists, or hateful rhetoric from other religions. That statement means that I am proud to be a Christian and announce it freely and openly. It does not mean that I tolerate people to use my beliefs in the improper ways that they do.
You have no idea what Jesus taught. This is the opposite. You're not supposed to be fighting anything, but loving unconditionally. Its comical that non believers know your religion better than you.
The fact that you use the words "I am proud to be a Christian" and "I do not tolerate" in consecutive sentences = mind blown.
Quote: Protesting against people who say things like "God hates soldiers." and "God hates ***." Is not spewing hatred against hatred. Standing there and blocking them from interrupting a funeral procession is not hatred. Informing them of the very scriptures they ignore is not hatred.
And you know what else is frustrating, when people use the wrong version of a word when in the very post they quote it's used correctly.
How is it I've met you a thousand times and its always the same stuff. Too bad most Christians dont realize that what they are taught isnt Christianity at all, but the perverted bastardized version the RCC ruled with during much of Europe's history.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-18 13:36:28
You silly geese.
Noscript defeats the wikiblock, search away.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-18 13:36:33
@Evandis
Did you learn nothing from that previous thread?
You don't hate homosexuals, you don't bother them, etc.
Yet you firmly believe that homosexuality is a sin.
Why?
Because god said so.
You've just taken all the responsibility a non-religious person has for their morals and dumped it on god. Absolving you of any responsibility because god says so.
I also believe pre-marital sex and having a child out of wedlock is a sin. Things I am guilty of. I don't view any of those sins as a greater sin than the other.
I don't hate myself, so what would really make me a hypocrite is to hate someone because of a sin they committed.
I think everyone agrees that I am free to believe something is wrong, as long as I don't interfere with, interrupt, harass, attack, etc. that other person. If I don't try to frustrate their movement for legal equality (which I agree with, because our country is one of freedom not Christianity), then what exactly am I doing wrong? You're taking your beliefs and making them god's by saying it's a sin.
It's fine to disagree with something. It's even better not to interfere or persecute others who do things you don't agree with. But to take those beliefs and make them god's plan/law/or w/e is the problem.
Why is that the problem?
You don't believe in God, but yet you get upset at His plan/law. That makes no sense to me. Someone who doesn't believe in something shouldn't even care about the details believing entails.
That's like me saying I don't believe in the boogey man and then checking under my bed because the neighbor's son does. You're dumping all responsibility onto god.
It's like saying who cares how the Chinese government treats their people, you don't live there. Just because I don't live there doesn't mean I can't complain about them. Their laws may not affect me directly, but down the line somewhere it does have an affect on all of us since for instance we rely on them to export precious metals.
By zahrah 2012-01-18 13:38:13
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »You silly geese.
Noscript defeats the wikiblock, search away.
Geese?!? I can't hear them! Where are they?
/feels around for the geese in the darkness
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By zahrah 2012-01-18 13:41:53
I also believe pre-marital sex and having a child out of wedlock is a sin.
What if someone was raped? Would they be considered a sinner for the sin of another who committed the act? If they conceived a child from rape would the child be considered a *** in your eyes? There are circumstances where every human must give leeway.
I don't like to believe in a God of fire, brimstone, damn-nation, and hell. Circumstances that life throw at people and human beings themselves are more complex. Quote: "But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. 26"But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case. 27"When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her," (Deut. 22:25-27 ).
I think that pretty much sums up your concern about rape.
Thank you.
Admittedly, I've never been much for scripture even during Confirmation. Church pretty much went to the wayside during college. I'm just one of those dirty, fair weather Christmas/Easter Christians.
EDIT: Do you believe unbaptized children go to purgatory?
DOUBLE EDIT: Nevermind. I forgot you said you were non-denominational in the other thread. I find it funny that "non-denominational" churches are a denomination.
TRIPLE EDIT: No offense. Just saying...
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 13:41:58
@Evandis
Did you learn nothing from that previous thread?
You don't hate homosexuals, you don't bother them, etc.
Yet you firmly believe that homosexuality is a sin.
Why?
Because god said so.
You've just taken all the responsibility a non-religious person has for their morals and dumped it on god. Absolving you of any responsibility because god says so.
I also believe pre-marital sex and having a child out of wedlock is a sin. Things I am guilty of. I don't view any of those sins as a greater sin than the other.
I don't hate myself, so what would really make me a hypocrite is to hate someone because of a sin they committed.
I think everyone agrees that I am free to believe something is wrong, as long as I don't interfere with, interrupt, harass, attack, etc. that other person. If I don't try to frustrate their movement for legal equality (which I agree with, because our country is one of freedom not Christianity), then what exactly am I doing wrong? You're taking your beliefs and making them god's by saying it's a sin.
It's fine to disagree with something. It's even better not to interfere or persecute others who do things you don't agree with. But to take those beliefs and make them god's plan/law/or w/e is the problem.
Why is that the problem?
You don't believe in God, but yet you get upset at His plan/law. That makes no sense to me. Someone who doesn't believe in something shouldn't even care about the details believing entails.
That's like me saying I don't believe in the boogey man and then checking under my bed because the neighbor's son does. You're dumping all responsibility onto god.
It's like saying who cares how the Chinese government treats their people, you don't live there. Just because I don't live there doesn't mean I can't complain about them. Their laws may not affect me directly, but down the line somewhere it does have an affect on all of us since for instance we rely on them to export precious metals.
That's apples to oranges.
I am saying, everyone is responsible for the decisions they make, or sins they commit and if they choose to commit them, then they alone will answer for those actions to God. Why should I hate them for a decision that will literally only affect them.
How you have even associated someone choosing to be a homosexual to the atrocities committed on people who were unwilling to have them committed on them is beyond me.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 13:44:59
I also believe pre-marital sex and having a child out of wedlock is a sin.
What if someone was raped? Would they be considered a sinner for the sin of another who committed the act? If they conceived a child from rape would the child be considered a *** in your eyes? There are circumstances where every human must give leeway.
I don't like to believe in a God of fire, brimstone, damn-nation, and hell. Circumstances that life throw at people and human beings themselves are more complex. Quote: "But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. 26"But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case. 27"When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her," (Deut. 22:25-27 ).
I think that pretty much sums up your concern about rape.
Thank you.
Admittedly, I've never been much for scripture even during Confirmation. Church pretty much went to the wayside during college. I'm just one of those dirty, fair weather Christmas/Easter Christians.
EDIT: Do you believe unbaptized children go to purgatory?
No. Here is why:
One must choose his faith consciously. He must consciously devote himself to God. A baby or child cannot do so. In fact I think it's funny that people even have this belief. For one they have confirmation in which the child who was already baptized 16 years ago now has to confirm they want to be part of the faith.
Also, Jesus himself wasn't baptized until much later in his life.
EDIT: While it's true that their are non-denominational churches which makes them a denomination, I am truly denominational, I do not attend a church but rather worship in my own home, read the Bible myself and have a few different versions to try to help me determine what God is saying.
I actually abhor church and the official structure of religion.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-18 13:47:54
That's apples to oranges.
I am saying, everyone is responsible for the decisions they make, or sins they commit and if they choose to commit them, then they alone will answer for those actions to God. Why should I hate them for a decision that will literally only affect them.
How you have even associated someone choosing to be a homosexual to the atrocities committed on people who were unwilling to have them committed on them is beyond me.
Oh can of worms, I command thee, OPEN!
So some dude likes to have penis up his ***, that = eternity in hell?
And the craziest part of all, is that makes total sense to you.
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By Nevill 2012-01-18 13:48:35
I thought this thread was around page 25..... owait...
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-18 13:50:16
That's apples to oranges.
I am saying, everyone is responsible for the decisions they make, or sins they commit and if they choose to commit them, then they alone will answer for those actions to God. Why should I hate them for a decision that will literally only affect them.
How you have even associated someone choosing to be a homosexual to the atrocities committed on people who were unwilling to have them committed on them is beyond me.
Oh can of worms, I command thee, OPEN!
So some dude likes to have penis up his ***, that = eternity in hell?
And the craziest part of all, is that makes total sense to you.
The choice is in the act, first of all, not the feelings.
And ChaosX will even tell you that I do not believe homosexuality is a guaranteed ticket to "hell."
These are commandments in the Bible for Christians to act in our world. They were part of a lesson at my church two Sundays ago. I am not a fan of the 'if God weren't real' hypothetical situation myself, but taking that stance, let's look at the following.
Quote: James 1:27-Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. Quote: Ephesians 4:32-Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Quote: Matthew 7:1-4-Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Quote: Acts 2:43-44-Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Quote: Galatians 5:22-23-But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Now, with those verses stated; I am no supporter of taking things out of context to obscure the truth of a passage, as you all know. I am not taking these things out of context to prove some hair brained, conjured truth. No, I am picking these verses as a challenge to all whom may read this that call themselves Christians. Do these things in your daily walk. If you do nothing else, do these things out of Love. Pure, unbiased, selfless love.
I think it is fairly safe to assume that theists and non theists alike can agree that if all proclaimed Christians did these simple tasks; cared for the orphaned and widowed, sold their possessions to take care of the needy, be kind and forgiving, be non-judgmental, and produce the fruits of the spirit: that each Christian would leave this world a better place than they came into it. Remove entirely the possibility of God's existence, or an eternal life. Simply look at those works, and the innate selflessness built into them. Would this world not be better?
With that said, here is my basis for the love message I have been so adamant about lately. It is also the basis in which I tie every facet of my belief and life unto.
Quote: 1 Corinthians 13-If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
This is the second covenant God created with man. It is no longer about following certain, strict rules for fear of hell. It is about a lifestyle that all thoughts and actions are derived from love. Doing things out of love for others makes those things not a sin. It is no longer the action, but the reason behind the action. 1 Corinthians goes on a few more verses to discuss love further. I think it would be good for theists and non alike to at least read up until 13:13.
I plead to you, community of FFXIAH, to hold me accountable to all things of these verses in what I do and say on here. If I am outside of the realm of these, please let me know and I will apologize and correct accordingly. I challenge all other Christians to stick to these tenants as well, and you can bet that I will (out of love) hold you accountable.
If you tl;dr, I'm sorry it wasn't worth your time. If you did read, I am open to your thoughts and criticisms.
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