Advice For A New White Mage =)

You should try the bazaar function in this website, it's very useful.

As far as Atma goes for WHM, I personally use Merciless Matriarch, Minikin Monstrosity, and Allure. If I am subbing RDM it wouldn't be totally horrible to switch Minikin for Ambition. Quite frankly I never run out of MP in abyssea so losing 5MP refresh won't be crippling. The movement speed from Ambition is nice if you have no other form of movement speed on WHM.

However, I believe that using AoA is a waste on WHM. Sure the Quickcast is nice but the proc rate isn't something to give up any of the above mentioned atmas. Allure is a given, if you don't have it you need to get some friends and take down that Pixie.

Don't be lazy and rely on the RR3 from AoA.

AoA > Allure, insta cast and auto reraise can make or break depending on situation. Mp+ is useless, -enmity is useless as I have *never* seen a whm take hate over a dedicated tank unless the mob has a hate reset thinger in which case -pdt gear with stoneskin and self cures will be enough to lose hate.

I agree, but the attention spans of some people do not. =P

-60% cast time... yeah. Why can no one add around here >.> And when will people realize Cure clogs are NOT worth it?

Yeah, Bukhis was pretty bad in the beginning, but I can't imagine an experience group having much trouble with him now

The instant cast doesn't trigger often enough to justify losing 5ticks of refresh, fast cast and movement speed. If you think -enmity is useless then you have no idea what you're talking about.

If you are never running out of mp, what is the allure to using atma of allure? Enmity? Do you know how -enmity mechanics work? Do you really have that shitty tanks that you would take hate so easily from them?

It does trigger often enough. Auto-reraise is a given as to why its useful. -enmity is useless in this day and age, sorry but its true.

Actually, I never steal hate from my tanks, thanks in part to allure.

But again, if you feel -enmity is useless then I can't help you.

If I am focusing on a single tank I alternate between cure 5 and 6. Quickcast would not be game-breaking really.

If you feel you need that atma to do that, then I can't help you either. I have a whm who spams cure5 and 6 on me and never runs out of MP and he NEVER takes hate. We duo almost everything.

The Quick Magic triggers roughly once every 10 spells.

Yes which is relevant enough to be useful.

So if your friend NEVER takes hate, he never dies, correct? Then why the need to use AoA? To instant cast a spell once every 10th spell? Must be for the 15% triple attack . . .

all these WHMs starting to get violent ; ;


people play their role differently there is not always one way or one best way to play

I absolutely agree with you Tweeek - if a WHM feels AoA is better for him/her more power to them.

But to say the -enmity that allure gives you is useless, then that's a pretty ignorant comment.

I kill you with my staffffff... rawr

lol

Just because you can duo something doesn't mean it's the worst case scenario for how much MP is burned. When I duo with a THF I barely ever touch my MP. When I am in ally with a MNK/WAR tanking and other DDs occasionally taking DMG when going in for procs etc I can burn through MP.

To say one party is better than the other is moot I play with friends we sometimes duo, sometimes lowman and sometimes we bring 14+ people to get zone clears/wins or atmas etc. Most of the time in an ally people are sitting at a safe distance it's not like we are TP feeding frenzy but more people take dmg than when I duo.


If I was to say I NEVER have to use MP temp items anymore I would by lying, this is with me using Allure. If I was to constantly rely on using temps every fight I would think that there is something wrong. I would rather use them in more emergency type situations.

That's what temp items, martello's are for though.

I AoA/Minikin/Allure as WHM. I have Herald's for movement and hardly run out of MP when I sub RDM.

I'm a fairly new WHM so a lot of the information in this thread has been pretty useful. Formerly a lifelong RDM who grew tired of how inadequate it is as a healer in Abyssea.

I hate you.












j/k but srsly wtf ; ; I know you got them from some other job just sucks reading that. I am addicted to movement I wish I had more, I got 8% from my ASA pants but 12% would be 4% more cooler ; ; I am jelly

I also find /blm to be a viable sub, as I see people here only listing /sch and /rdm and totally neglecting stun usefulness. Hasted whm via spell + gear, 23~33ish stun recast, not too bad.

AoA gives me =

1. Instant RR - Amazing for jobs that don't have the ability to RR themselves.

2. Quick-Cast - Once every 10th spells (roughly)

3. Triple Attack 15% = Beneficial to a WHM focusing on healing/status effects how?

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Allure =

1. 30% MP = Beneficial to WHM

2. -30 Enmity = Beneficial to WHM

3. MND +30 = Beneficial to WHM

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Ambition

1. Refresh+5 = Beneficial to WHM

2. Fast cast = Beneficial to WHM

3. Movement speed = Nice to have but not game changing.

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Now if you feel that something that triggers once every 10 spells is better than the above benefits, then more power to you.

I dunno, I think of them more as emergency, I know they are there, I use them when I need to but I do not want to have to rely on them that's the main difference I suppose.

There have been discussions on how people use their 2HRs depending on what the 2HR is. I think more of using 2HR or saving it for emergency (outside FC party or SMN burn or other situational situations) where as some people they should use their 2HR every 2HRs.

It's not just the insta-cast, if you feel that -enmity is oh so useful when a standard whm shouldn't take hate off a tank, then more power to you.

In my opinion, Atma of Allure is quite overrated. The extra MP means nothing in Abyssea with all the refresh and temporary items, and if you were concerned about MP in the first place, you'd be better off using an actual refresh atma in place of it. The -enmity is also worthless, since between Minikin and equipment you'll be hitting (or at least nearly hitting) the enmity cap anyway. With that said, I still find myself using Allure for the MND boost, since there's hardly anything else worth using for WHM. That's not because Allure is amazing, it's because it's the least worthless of all the other atma once you've already equipped two for refresh. Three atma is overkill on WHM unless you need to help trigger or something, then it's nice to have the third option available for regain, which I'll almost always replace Allure with rather than my other atmas if I need to have it.

Also, I find Atma of Apocalypse quite annoying on WHM for a couple of reasons. First, preemptive healing does wonders in Abyssea. If I see a NM readying something I know is going to be devastating then I'll start curing immediately, aiming to land as soon as damage is taken, instead of waiting for people's HP to actually drop before reacting. If quick casting procs then I just wasted a cure and then people are waiting longer for it despite the instant cast than if I were just using another atma. The same can be said about removing status effects.

well tbh if you die and get up quick your enm should be whiped 2 cures to your tank (especially with -40 enm) will not give you hate (unless mob just reset tp inbetween you getting up and casting cure) in that situation I always cure my tank either VI+V or just VI and then run outside 21+ yalms cure myself cast RR(penury) and get back to it