Lack Of Responsibility

And you keep ignoring the fact that just because she didn't dirty her hands doesn't mean she isn't the murder. Using another person is little different than using a tool to accomplish it.

I suppose that is true. I may be a bit harsh when I consider justice, but I believe that people who aid criminals are just as guilty as those who perpetrated the acts. Wether or not the it was before or after the fact, she knew of the event, and directly or indirectly supported it. I think she deserves the same punishment.

No, it's murder. Manslaughter is where your actions aren't intended to result in someone's death, but through reckless disregard for human life, they die anyways. An example would be hitting a highway construction worker because you're too busy texting on your phone to notice them: you didn't intend to kill them, but you were being incredibly reckless and irresponsible, and in the process, someone died. Here, however, there was clearly intent: she hired someone for the explicit purpose of killing her family. There's no middling about intent, here. It's established by the very nature of the crime. This is clear-cut murder.

Just because the woman didn't understand that she would be responsible without having to physically pull the trigger doesn't mean she wasn't responsible. She WAS responsible. It's like blaming the firing mechanism of a gun: you didn't physically cause bullet to hit the person, the gun did! You only pulled the trigger! Well, she only payed someone to pull the trigger.

And then telling one of them they could rape her teenage daughter in the process ... that's just sadistic.

Still doesn't change the fact that she didn't kill them directly.

A human has moral and ethical choices to make, a tool does not.

It's not like he was forced to kill, he could have said no and reported her to the police.

Already cleared this up, it's considered manslaughter in the UK. the law differs in the US.

Our government kill people every day and we pay them taxes, we should be put to death then right?
This is me using the same skewered logic you guys are using btw.
It just don't work like that.

Again semantics

I'll even say that when dying in my death bed x years from now or in a hospital bed. Death means nothing. Where Death leads you is a different thing (i.e. Religious crap)
She still should've known it was wrong. There's a quote in that news article where she said "God told me it was wrong. I didn't listen" or something like that. SHE KNEW it was wrong.

Also Shallenberger did get a death sentence but he killed himself before his time was up. Shallenberger and that *** both got death sentences. Now she's pleading her life because she doesn't want to die. Aka she's a coward.

And how does that in anyway absovle her of murder?

Pulling the strings to make the action happen is being an accessory which shares no difference from the one who pulled the trigger himself. It's like blaming the dominoes for being what pushed the others over when you flicked the first one.

Mankind is but a blink of an eye on this planet. It's up to us to live as peaceful as possible. But when that peace is broken I say hang the *** up.

afterlife has nothing to do with religion lol religion just took an adaptation from spirituality of it.

but i can sure tell you a year ago i had something happen that i did die for secs. and secs are a loooong time on your mind lol

Which is why they're BOTH guilty.

The act of killing people overseas isn't a domestic crime; There is no law against it. There are conducts and ethics behind war, for example we don't torture. If they made killing in wars illegal then perhaps.

However we do have laws similar in that regard(well they're more nation security policy). If a terrorist group were to detonate a nuke on American soil, and the nuke was found to have been from a country, we would most certainly obliterate them. That is to say: If a country sponsers an act of terror, you will be held responsible.

A drugbaron rarely bloodies his own hands. A don(gangleader) rarely dirties his own shoes.

Yet they are the kind of criminals that are most wanted for valid reasons.

I don't know if you're saying what you're saying just to spark discussions, but it's complete ***. That woman is a murderer, the person she tasked the murders with is a murderer.

The entire death penalty is built on a system that assumes there is a hell.

Which is stupid.

Too bad hanging is illegal now. It got the point accros for sure. I remember reading/seeing the last one up here on the news when I was a kid.

laws don't mix very well with spirituality and religion, so idoubt it.

Isn't washington state one of the few if only state that still utilizes that method of death penalty?

While I think it's Utah that still has the firing squad.

I remember reading about someone dying by firing squad.. and it seemed rather costly.. iirc:

they have to have X amount of people (lets say 10.) - Those 10 people all have a gun, one of the 10 guns is loaded with real bullet(s) & the others are blanks.. No one is informed of which gun is loaded, so no one knows who actually killed them, so can't be "accountable" - if that makes sense. To me, that seems like it'd be hella expensive to set up.


An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind! :)

Way I see it, is a rather simplistic kinda view.. Who ever it is who has to administer a lethal dosage, fire up the chair or whatever.. is also a killer.. shouldn't they themselves be treated as such? (though oddly, I also kinda agree with death penalty, if nothing else, it should act as a deterrant)


(editted coz I suck with splitting quotes! :( )

That would explain why you have to swear on the bible.

If I was a murderer I'd have no problem lying in that courthouse.

I don't really feel like discussing this anymore, maybe if I had a redbull today I might have but, I have my position, you have yours.
I secede to you and Dasva this discussion because I just don't have the patience to repeat the same things.
That and elaborating about our governments misdeeds is a whole complete taco I am not ready to eat at the moment.

I'm not that familiar with UK law, but I have a really hard time buying this.

You decide you want someone dead. You take it upon yourself, entirely free of coercion, to bring about their death. Your actions succeed in resulting in their death.

How is this not murder?

courthouse not the same as laws hon.

courthouse works different when you have a case going, religion doesn't make the laws.
society's point of view does, killing a prisoner is ensuring they wont do any more harm and killing whatever chances they still have at life.
It's not about going to hell, if it was built that way it gives them a chance to feel regret and end up in heaven (by religion's laws)

I'm not very clingy to the idea of death unless the person truly is THAT dangerous. Just locking this *** up in a cell is enough, but I think she really did piss on the judge enough to be sent killed.

Really? I don't view death as a punishment... not compared to what you could do. It's more of you are a detriment to society and aren't worth the time/effort/money to attempt to reform.

Though I did like a short story I read once... basically criminals (or just political dissidents) would be killed repeatidly in exteremely painful/inhuman manners having their brains downloaded into clones of them right as they die. Afterwards the having the new clean up the mess. They would never actually kill them cause capitol punishment had been deemed inhumane lol. This continued until the person recanted in front of a test group of people well enough that everyone believed they were truly sorry for whatever it was and wouldn't ever do it again. Which in turn would be broadcast out helping to keep anyone else from doing it. Of course you weren't allowed to recant until you had died at least once

Think back to when the death penalty originated, Do you think it was really created to simply remove someone from society? Nearly all law has a religious undertone and it's ridiculous.

I disagree, and my point still goes, don't want to repeat myself and go on the same cycle with you over and over.
it's kinda boring.