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God did not create the universe, says Hawking
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-09-03 02:55:09
Lakshmi.Ricco said: Bahamut.Stanflame said: Leviathan.Dissonant said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Leviathan.Dissonant said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Leviathan.Dissonant said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: I support the idea of ridicule for nonsense on forums. It all comes down to what one sees as nonsense. Oh, so you admit that your opinion on God/religion is subjective.
Missed this on the last page sorry.
Well considering I am classified as a theist, yes my views on "god" are subjective. Peoples views on their religion are subjective. However that should not be used to downplay say me going on and on about how certain things in religion are moronic. If I am applying reasoning to say not believing in the bible because it condones slavery and child sacrifice I am going into the realm that is not so subjective anymore. It is not too subjective that slavery, murder, etc are bad so if you actually catch me debating religion instead of trolling and mocking it in general you be much happier with me. Point well taken. The thing I am most tired of in this thread is Prince acting like he has all the answers. This was waaay more interesting when Fryguywhateverthehellhisnameis was posting and actually debating. This has turned into Prince calling people he disagrees with stupid and thinking he knows there is no god, which is the most ignorant thing anyone can do in my book.
Okay, lets sit here and think for a moment. I want you to take everything you know about the world. Then I want you to take everything you know believe about god. Then I want you to take everything you know about math and science. When you take all of that I want you to tell me that it is likely god exists.
In reality it is just not likely, and that is not to say there is no god. That is to say that should be the middle ground every person can come to. I completely agree, never said I didn't. I said that it's ignorant that he thinks he knows.
But humans believe in god, what then. They can and they are not dumb for doing so. you can not disprove he exists and say he can exist.
Unless you died and were revived say by drowning and saw heaven or hell.
I wouldn't say one is dumb to believe in god or god(s). I would consider people who follow the bible blindly the idiots.
People who believe in god think of a after life, so let them. leave them be, it will not kill you.
By Kanjirou 2010-09-03 02:56:44
Ramuh.Dasva said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: As ignorant as the people who say they "know" there is a god?
Not really. It's more of POIDH.
Yes it might be true. But since you can't really prove a negative the only logical solution is to believe in things that can be proven and not in things that can't be
There is no milk in my fridge.
/em goes to check his fridge.
Whoa, I just proved a negative!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-09-03 02:58:03
Kanjirou said: Prince, seriously: get over yourself. You're not doing anyone any favors with this attitude of superiority. You're clearly not terribly gifted at math, so it makes no sense for you to prop that subject up the way you've been, as some sort of sign that smart, reasonable people aren't religious, etc. You're giving those of us that DO study math and science a bad image by painting us as religious bigots. I'm absolutely sick and tired of this culture of superiority that's going around these days among (my fellow) atheists, as if science and "rationality" clearly and unequivocally disprove the existence of God -- and anyone who doesn't recognize that, who doesn't hop on board and 'get with the program', is just a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, backwards neanderthal that deserves to be mocked and ridiculed in public. I currently have several very devoutly religious friends in physics and mathematics Ph.D. programs who are insanely brilliant and could personally blow the ***out of you in any contest of wits. They observe and practice their religion regularly and, quite frankly, you can stuff your opinions about that up your ***. (Not to mention several of the Nobel Laureates throughout the years who considered their scientific work an act of worship.) The fact that these people exist might not make sense in your worldview, but do kindly keep it to yourself: the rest of us plan on getting along just fine, and we'd prefer it if you keep your bigoted nonsense behind your oh-so-superior lips.
Coming from someone who just pointed out I posted a series of equations diving by zero and jumping all over it? Then claiming you know a bunch of mathematicians that are better than me? Please. I never stated I was better or more knowledgeable than anyone else here when it comes to math or physics. I don't care how much *** academia garbage you can throw at me. I'm done with school, and I've continued my studies elsewhere. You want to compare raw knowledge in our areas of our specialty? I bet my internetwork skills will blow your *** out off this planet proportionately to your whatever math tutoring skill you have any day. So keep that thought of "Prince is here to be arrogant" in your head and point out a frivolous subject on this thread such as dividing by zero and basing it on me as if my life depended on it. Reason I brought it up? This was a thread, a conversation on science vs religion; evolution vs creation. I used some silly mathematical equations, which only 3 people were able to find the fallacies in. Could the person I was targeting figure it out? I don't think so. Could you? Yes. Could I? Sure, I made it up. Could Smiley? Sure seems like he was able to. So what? You think that's all I know, is how to divide by zero and manipulate it as a proof? You're pathetically mistaken. Go back to tutoring your students and believing in your brilliant colleagues who worship in some divine being. Don't try to impose it on me. I think it's clear I don't give a ***how magnificent you are scientifically or religiously when it comes to books. This was a debate. I was taking part in it. Don't like it? Think you can "lolown" me by posting some inconspicuous wall of text trying to tell me to stfu? You're no different than the pathetic god believers here who attempt to persuade others of it by blowing out ideas with no proof what so ever.
So I believe people who believe in god are stupid in that respect? Hell yeah I do. Is it my opinion, um yes. Don't like it? Go *** yourself with your superior knowledge of natural logarithms take a laxative and discharge a bit.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-03 02:58:09
Kanjirou said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: As ignorant as the people who say they "know" there is a god? Not really. It's more of POIDH. Yes it might be true. But since you can't really prove a negative the only logical solution is to believe in things that can be proven and not in things that can't be There is no milk in my fridge.
/em goes to check his fridge.
Whoa, I just proved a negative! What if the milk is invisible like god? What if you are unable to see it?
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By Leviathan.Dissonant 2010-09-03 02:58:21
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Stanflame said: But humans believe in god, what then. They can and they are not dumb for doing so.
Depends on your opinion. I am a theist and I find it dumb when people tell me they believe in a god. "Theism, in the broadest sense, is the belief that at least one deity exists." Theism isn't quite the same as having a religious belief. "Religion is the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or a set of beliefs concerning the origin and purpose of the universe." So sayeth wiki.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-03 02:59:20
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: As ignorant as the people who say they "know" there is a god? Not really. It's more of POIDH. Yes it might be true. But since you can't really prove a negative the only logical solution is to believe in things that can be proven and not in things that can't be Is that an allusion to the player warning threads? :P Well it can be used as that. But more of the logical thought process.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-09-03 02:59:45
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Religion = Science
Science = Learning
Learning = Life
Life = Success
Success = Mankind
Mankind = Humans
Humans = Reason
Reason = Faith
Which ever way you look at it weather it be scientific/mathematical/religious it all gives the same end result of trying to better yourself (or so I hope).
The short answer to that is no imo.
I really am afraid to actually respond to that in a legitimate manner due to how long I may be sitting here typing it, revising it, and proof reading it. That be something I have to do via voice.
Probably would not do such anyway as I have my one person I hold those conversations with.
Should totally PM me it, I like learning about other beliefs; nothing wrong with a little mix-and-match ;p
We have to talk for months on a personal level before I would ever go there with you. I probably enjoy it as much as you though.
why not talk to him now and here? Think you are better than him so you can not speak to him now.
ha ha ha ha!
wow
arrogance
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-03 03:00:13
Kanjirou said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: As ignorant as the people who say they "know" there is a god?
Not really. It's more of POIDH.
Yes it might be true. But since you can't really prove a negative the only logical solution is to believe in things that can be proven and not in things that can't be
There is no milk in my fridge.
/em goes to check his fridge.
Whoa, I just proved a negative!
because we can compare god to a carton of milk.
lOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
yeah, religious people are stupid it's just been proven!
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By Shiva.Saberr 2010-09-03 03:00:26
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: Ragnarok.Twinbladehaseo said: Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: Ragnarok.Twinbladehaseo said: Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: Really? All this because I said people believe in god because they're stupid? LOL.... Holy ***. Took you that long to figure that out? Yeah actually, didn't know people would be so butthurt over it. so I can say you stupid and you wouldn't be? Sure you can call me stupid for disregarding a comment I made and assuming this room of members would forget it just as quickly. I'm honestly dumbfounded at the religious people who dragged it out as much as they did. But it was fun to read :)
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By Bismarck.Pimpjuice 2010-09-03 03:00:46
lol
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By Phoenix.Smileybone 2010-09-03 03:01:29
Phoenix.Darki said: Kanjirou said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: As ignorant as the people who say they "know" there is a god?
Not really. It's more of POIDH.
Yes it might be true. But since you can't really prove a negative the only logical solution is to believe in things that can be proven and not in things that can't be
There is no milk in my fridge.
/em goes to check his fridge.
Whoa, I just proved a negative!
because we can compare god to a carton of milk.
lOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
yeah, religious people are stupid it's just been proven!
Oh the irony...
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-09-03 03:02:01
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Leviathan.Dissonant said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Stanflame said: But humans believe in god, what then. They can and they are not dumb for doing so.
Depends on your opinion. I am a theist and I find it dumb when people tell me they believe in a god. "Theism, in the broadest sense, is the belief that at least one deity exists." Theism isn't quite the same as having a religious belief. "Religion is the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or a set of beliefs concerning the origin and purpose of the universe." So sayeth wiki.
inb4lolwikioncemore
Is that to say I am not a theist or what is that about?
Nope you are not one, from the looks of it you are scared, in case god does exist.
we all know your type!
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By Leviathan.Dissonant 2010-09-03 03:02:09
Kanjirou said: by drawing feynman diagrams for the interaction between two protons in a scattering experiment, deriving the corresponding perturbation expansions to leading order, and calculating cross sections. Or maybe he could just explain, in layman's terms, what that whole process is supposed to accomplish and why physicists care about it. That sounds *** intense.
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By Cerberus.Ethics 2010-09-03 03:02:23
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: So I believe people who believe in god are stupid in that respect? Hell yeah I do. Is it my opinion, um yes. Don't like it? Go *** yourself with your superior knowledge of natural logarithms take a laxative and discharge a bit.
First of all your pre-algebra skills, or lack thereof really, proves you're just a *** liar.
Secondly if you truly feel this way, you think some of the most influential and intelligent minds ever are stupid. Newton and Pascal are a couple examples.
Do yourself a favor and leave the thread, you make a post and I actually feel embarrassed for you.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-09-03 03:03:31
Hey guys my buzz is almost gone not quiet there yet though, mates.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-03 03:03:52
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Not even being able to entertain the idea that a god, creator, etc might even exist seems at best close minded to me, at worst just as dumb.
But y'know.. ;b
lol perhaps we have, and theres no much further thought when we have explored other ideas.
By Kanjirou 2010-09-03 03:04:28
Ramuh.Dasva said: Kanjirou said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: As ignorant as the people who say they "know" there is a god? Not really. It's more of POIDH. Yes it might be true. But since you can't really prove a negative the only logical solution is to believe in things that can be proven and not in things that can't be There is no milk in my fridge.
/em goes to check his fridge.
Whoa, I just proved a negative! What if the milk is invisible like god? What if you are unable to see it?
There is no largest prime number.
Assume there is, and call it the 'k'th prime: then let p = p_1 * p_2 * p_3 * ... * p_k + 1 where p_i is the ith prime number, from least to greatest.
Since none of those primes divide 1, they can't divide p. So p is only divisible by itself and 1, and p must be prime. But that's a contradiction, because p is greater than p_k.
So there can't be a largest prime number. I proved a negative again! With something invisible, that I can't even see or touch or find in the physical world!
Seriously, guys, these tired sound-bytes about not being able to prove negatives, etc., are just silly. We do it all the time.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-03 03:05:01
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Not even being able to entertain the idea that a god, creator, etc might even exist seems at best close minded to me, at worst just as dumb. But y'know.. ;b Well really technically you should just insert anything that isn't proven.
But there is a huge difference in believing it's possible and believing it is.
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