Election 2020 The Horse Race (Not Misspelled)

A) So, are sources you disagree with facts I don't like then?

B) Good, you disagree with "Just the News". Your disagreement is only to do with them being right of center. Not because of what they reported, but because of their biases. My question is, so?

C) There is a reason why the WP piece had nothing to do with Biden's 2020 convention speech. Want to take a guess at it? Hint: Check the date of the article.

D) Again, you are basing your opinion on biases of the sources, not the story itself.

Why can't you, for once in your life, read the articles in question? Are you afraid that you might learn something? Or are you so ingrained in your own biases that you will always refuse to look at anything that is to the right of your political beliefs?

Do yourself a favor and stop being so ingrained in your own selfish notions. There is a reason why you are so linear in your arguments.

That's a very oversimplified comparison on who you're deciding to vote for.

And yes it's sad that's theres 1000s of unnecessary deaths but the blame (however much you want to believe) is not 100% Trumps fault. For starters we can blame China for creating the virus, and for providing false info to the WHO.

3 of your sources pre-dated the convention

another was akin to tabloids that tell people batboy is real and Elvis is alive somewhere.

It isn't your place to tell me what I agree or disagree with. It is your place to comprehend what I am explaining to you. If you look back at he posts, you claimed that Biden plagiarized his 2020 Convention speech, and I tasked you with proving it. An article that references stuff in 1987 is just full of fail.

My initial responses as well as the ones here show quite clearly that I read the articles, they were all relatively short. For once in my life? lol...

I wasn't aware you were an avid follower of my arguments. I didn't think we had interacted much, unless you were using a different name. That seems to happen here in these forums on occasion.

I'm actually 100% certain the virus was not Trump's fault. It was his response to it that was lacking.

Fine, something we can talk about. Care to compare his response to certain governors, such as Cuomo and Newsom?

3 of your sources pre-dated the convention, and another was akin to tabloids that tell people batboy is real and Elvis is alive somewhere....

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Fine, something we can talk about. Care to compare his response to certain governors, such as Cuomo and Newsom?

I would rather compare it to other world leaders but if you insist...

Trump. US president. Deaths 176K, cases 5.68M. Population 328.2m. Deaths / 100K people 51.90.

Cumo. NY governor. Deaths 32,464, cases 434K. Population 19.45m. Deaths / 100K people 169.

Newsom. CA governor. Deaths 12,137, cases 665k. Population 39.51m. Deaths / 100K people 30.

Abbott. TX governor. Deaths 11,650, cases 559K. Population 29m. Deaths / 100K people 39.

DeSantis. FL governor. Deaths 10,273, cases 598k. Population 21,48m. Deaths / 100K people 47.

All of the deaths are under reported but we know FL is actively fudging the figures.

Keep in mind that the ability of all of those people to respond to such a crisis is dependent on the laws within their own spheres that regulate their influence. Funny how almost nobody is blaming actual lawmakers and those who control the purse.

I would rather compare it to other world leaders but if you insist...

what are the #s?

I would rather compare it to other world leaders but if you insist...

Trump. US president. Deaths 176K, cases 5.68M. Population 328.2m. Deaths / 100K people 51.90.

Cumo. NY governor. Deaths 32,464, cases 434K. Population 19.45m. Deaths / 100K people 169.

Newsom. CA governor. Deaths 12,137, cases 665k. Population 39.51m. Deaths / 100K people 30.

Abbott. TX governor. Deaths 11,650, cases 559K. Population 29m. Deaths / 100K people 39.

DeSantis. FL governor. Deaths 10,273, cases 598k. Population 21,48m. Deaths / 100K people 47.

All of the deaths are under reported but we know FL is actively fudging the figures.

i'm kinda lazy ~ anyone want to do the math or find out what the death's per 100k for all of the EU vs the US is?

He has no plan to combat the virus. His narrow "travel ban" did nothing in February, and it certainly isn't doing anything now. Why does he still talk about it? The virus is here, its not going anywhere, why even mention his "travel ban?" Its completely irrelevant, yet we constantly hear about it.

Don't kid yourself. Don't be fooled by the bravado. Democrats behind the scenes are scared and getting more desperate by the day because there are so many signs of a coming Donald Trump victory.

The signs are everywhere.

Polls show an overwhelming majority of Americans don't want to defund police. They want law and order. They support police. Even 80 percent of black voters overwhelmingly disagree with defunding police.

Does anyone with a brain or common sense think this is a good sign for Joe Biden or Democrats? Do you think all these Americans who support the police, want more law and order, and want more police funding are leaning to "law and order Trump" or "defund the police Joe Biden"?

Polls show 83 percent of Americans support President Trump and Housing and Urban Development Secretary Dr. Ben Carson's ending of former President Obama's program designed to fill the suburbs with high-density low-income housing, bringing crime and drugs to the neighborhoods of suburban moms and dads.

Does anyone with a brain or common sense think this is a good sign for Biden or Democrats? Do you think these millions of suburban American homeowners who don't want to see their home value destroyed or their neighborhood turned into war zones like Chicago, Detroit or Baltimore are going to vote enthusiastically for Joe Biden?

Remember, Biden's presidential platform actually puts in writing his goal to supercharge Obama's "destroy the suburbs" program. Biden wants to bring Frankenstein back to life, except twice as big. Goodbye to your safe, peaceful suburban life. Trump wants to protect your neighborhood. I wonder who suburban moms and dads will vote for.

But there are more signs.

The race to escape the big-city crime wave, rioting, and looting is accelerating at warp speed. Ask any suburban realtor. Ask any moving company. Everyone with any kind of ability to move is "getting out of Dodge." The escape from Democratic-controlled big cities is so huge it is the trend of 2020.

Even liberal New Yorkers are running for their lives. Shootings in New York City were up 76 percent from Jan. 1 to Aug. 2, compared with the same period in 2019. Murders are skyrocketing. The purchase of body armor such as bulletproof vests is reportedly up by over 80 percent in NYC. You think these people are voting for Biden?

But it's not just New York. Everyone is selling their homes and moving away from every Democratic big city -- Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis. Defund police? The only group getting defunded is Democratic politicians and government bureaucrats. Bye-bye to tax revenues.

Does anyone with a brain or common sense think this is a good sign for Biden or Democrats? Do you really believe most of these people are running for their lives from deep-blue Democratic cities for the safety of red Republican suburbs just so they can vote for Biden and the Democrats?

According to Rasmussen, 72 percent of likely voters are concerned about the growing violent protests nationwide. Sixty-two percent say it will affect their vote. Do you think this is a good sign for Democrats who support the Black Lives Matter and antifa movements and claim there is no violence?

And then there's the guns. America is selling out of guns. And bullets, too. Since COVID-19 and the rioting struck, practically every gun and bullet in this country has been bought up. All-time gun sale records have been broken month after month. Everyone is locked and loaded.

Does anyone with a brain or common sense think this is a good sign for Biden or Democrats? Do you think any of these record-setting gun buyers is voting for Basement Biden, Kamala Harris, and former Rep. Beto O'Rourke, Biden's gun czar who would be in charge of forcefully taking away our guns?

Then there's Harris. CNN's latest poll shows a 21-point shift away from Biden among non-white voters after he picked Harris as vice president. Yes, I said non-white voters.

Finally, there's the Democratic National Convention. After hearing from all the big guns -- Michelle and Barack Obama; Bill and Hillary Clinton; Jill Biden; and Harris -- Thursday's Rasmussen poll shows Trump moving from 47% to 51% approval. Clearly, the more Democrats speak, the more voters are repelled.

Remember when then-President Jimmy Carter led Republican nominee Ronald Reagan by 10 points during the summer of 1980? Reagan won in a historic landslide.

Remember when Democratic nominee Michael Dukakis was up by 17 points over Republican nominee George H.W. Bush after the Democratic convention? Bush won the electoral vote 426 to 111.

Don't look now ... but it's about to happen again. The signs are everywhere. Trump is about to win in an electoral landslide.

You know, that is very unfair. You are attributing every state's deaths to Trump...

Trump Death Clock
105,241
Estimated U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Due To POTUS Inaction

In January 2020, the Trump administration was advised that immediate action was required to stop the spread of COVID-19. According to NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, “there was a lot of pushback” to this advice. President Trump declined to act until March 16th. Experts estimate that, had mitigation measures been implemented one week earlier, 60% of American COVID-19 deaths would have been avoided. (For further reading, click here).

Polls show 83 percent of Americans support President Trump and Housing and Urban Development Secretary Dr. Ben Carson's ending of former President Obama's program designed to fill the suburbs with high-density low-income housing, bringing crime and drugs to the neighborhoods of suburban moms and dads.

The absolute numbers are largely beside the point. No model is a crystal ball, and there is far too much uncertainty in the trajectory of the U.S. epidemic to conclude that a certain prediction will be borne out.

We cannot prove what we are saying is true, but since we believe it, we must conclude that 60-90% of COVID deaths are because Orange Man Bad!

Didn't Trump issue the travel ban on china back in early Feb? And didn't the CDC start quarantining people from specific international flights late January?

Also didn't the dems (like Biden) call the early travel bans issue by trump, initially, that it was hysteria and xenophobic?

Didn't Trump issue the travel ban on china back in early Feb? And didn't the CDC start quarantining people from specific international flights late January?

Also didn't the dems (like Biden) call the early travel bans issue by trump, initially, that it was hysteria and xenophobic?

And didn't the CDC start quarantining people from specific international flights late January?

Strange, the maker of that website, along with other news outlets, base their theories on an opinion piece that contains no scientific studies at all. It doesn't even state how they figured "...an estimated 90 percent of the cumulative deaths in the United States from Covid-19, at least from the first wave of the epidemic, might have been prevented by putting social distancing policies into effect two weeks earlier..."

So, are we supposed to take the word of a couple of nobodies who have no studies out on this subject, and are only recognized due to their narrative and the Times low bar on editorials?

I mean, they destroyed their own ideals themselves.


Basically, they are saying the following:


That is the very premise of their argument, and that is also the very premise of that "Trump Death Clock" you posted.

The article even stated that a large portion of the deaths at the time is attributed to NY and their policies. Last I checked, the Trump policy has been to shutdown travel from China, quarantine some passengers from a cruise ship to Randolph Brooks Air Force Base in San Antonio, and have states made the main decisions for their citizens, while the federal government handles the overall national picture (aka getting supplies to the states).

The tl;dr version of all this is: Both the website you quoted and the opinion piece that is associated with it failed to do show any evidence as to their assertion that ~60% of all COVID deaths is Trump's fault.

So putting this together, according to their own logic, Democrats are responsible for 60-90% of COVID deaths.

This is because those States with the majority of COVID deaths have Democrat governments, Democrat Governors and those cities have Democrat Mayors.

And this is China's fault. The more we learn, we find out each time that China knew about Covid a tad earlier than we had thought, then a tad earlier, then earlier...I would not be surprised when all is said and done they had known about this since the start of 2019, but as of now, we do know officially they knew since August of 2019.

The whole concept of the “death clock” is utter nonsense. It’s pseudoscience and not even worth a debate.