Coronavirus Death Toll Estimation USA

Even if you want to fantasize that the overall effect the disdain from the right for Obama was even close to as overwhelming or constant as the liberal hate for Trump was/is, conservatives don't control the media. There is one non-cable news network that leans right politically. There are maybe two other cable networks that lean right, and they are not even available on most cable/streaming packages. Liberals have complete control over every other news source, from visual to written to social media...from authors to celebrities and even "influencers"...95+% of the information that comes into American homes is dominated by liberal viewpoints.

There is a massive difference between some rednecks passing a racist meme of Obama around FB and a celebrity (insane one or not) posing with a severed head for the world to see.

Sure, made up

Never mind there are multiple sources on it.

Yes, multiple

You can admit you are wrong Vic, but we all know you never will admit it

In KN's defense, every day "could" have a backlog for a myriad of reasons.

Update daily, not just the days it favors the argument (even though I'm not even understanding the point trying to be made by some).

"Look, when people co-mingle again and more people get tested, they detect more people with an airborne pathogen."

...Ok?

Yeah, it was one county, one time, and it affected one daily tally. KN went on about it for a few days trying to apply it everywhere. Didn't work and was completely ignored.

Hopefully if Trump can convince the maskless covidots to mask up we might get ahead of this.

Just in time for swine flu this fall!

Considering he doesn't believe in them himself, I wouldn't count on it. The mask denying has spiraled out of control thanks to him.

Wow, proof here that Vic didn't even read the sources I provided.

4 different areas, 4 different counties, all saying the same thing: Texas had a backlog of cases spanning months.

Swine flu shouldn't be an issue being that the masks for Covid will just stop it whole hog. (Pun intended)

Begs the question, why didn't our former president demand we all were masks for H1N1 (which was also able to be transferred from person to person through inhalation)? It was found most people under 60 in that case had no natural antibodies to that flu. Who was president in the spring of 2009? My memory is just slipping these days!

There is no comparing the two, the swine flu was nowhere near as deadly to adults that covid-19 is, it targeted children, so really the two are polar opposites.

Was a flu that killed people, I don't need any other reasons to compare them. 12,900+ deaths and 60 mill infected is still enough to warrant a mask suggestion (if they even help).

Also, I doubt they were counting motorcycle accident deaths as swine flu deaths, so there could be another glaring reason for the death toll difference.

The big difference is that the last H1N1 swine flu was not transmittable until the carrier was showing symptoms.

This particular cronavirus is transmittable by people who do not yet show symptoms and those will never show symptoms.

Also, even if Obama ****ed up the H1N1 response how does that make it OK for Trump to **** up the coronavirus response?

You guys act like ANY of that was known at the time of the H1N1 outbreak. Nobody knew exactly how H1N1 was transmitted when it first broke or that you HAD to "show signs" of having it, etc, or how many it would kill til months/years later, hindsight being 20/20.

I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of you guys acting like Trump SHOULD have known exactly what to do from Day 1. We later found out this particular virus was something we've never dealt with. Nobody (but China) knew that from the start. Trump had every reason to think this was just another H1N1 and since we didn't don masks and shut down the country for that, why should this have been any different? He's coming around, now.

Obama didn't do it, at all, and he just got lucky it didn't become a Covid-19. Trump has every right to think the left media (which is basically our entire media) and the Democrats (and the medical community by extension) could have been making a bigger deal out of this than it was, based on the past 3 years of liberal insanity.

NO president would have handled this well without a crystal ball. This was China's fault and China's fault alone, until you all acknowledge that, I'll continue to point out you all just over judge every action (or lack of) just because you hate Trump. And most of you just hate Trump because of the (R), same reason Democrats hated GW and blamed him for 9/11. Dude was in office 7 months and that whole thing had been set in motion for years before, while good ol' Bubba was getting hummers in his office.

DeWine issues statewide mask order starting Thursday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ohio-governor-issues-mandatory-statewide-mask-order/ar-BB17445H?li=BBnbcA1

One of the conditions you do not have to wear a mask (in public) is when you are, "eating or drinking."

Waiting to see the first obese slob in Walmart just constantly funneling Skittles into their blowhole to justify not wearing a mask.

Meh Disney already did it

I'm picturing one of these actually:

should make this

During the Obama era many of us supported him, initially. Obama got elected on a platform of bringing both sides together and working things out. There was a long list of stuff he was going to start doing, and that list was thrown out after the first two years of his Presidency.

Now honestly I don't think he's a bad man, he just had no power over his own party. Watch Obama during his first few years, then watch him near the end of this first term / into second term and notice the dramatic difference. Initially he's a very centrist lets-compromise, lets-talk President. The Republicans opposed him on principle, which was very stupid (and I said so at that time). The Democrats opposed him as he wasn't left leaning enough for them and he beat their preferred champion Hillary Clinton. After a few years of spinning his wheels and nobody listening, he gave in and just did whatever the Democrat leadership told him to do. That's when we see this huge leftward shift where he goes from a moderate left leaning centrist to the radical socialist the right hates so much.

And now the Obama's are doing quite well for themselves, with book sales, speaking engagements and tours. Would they be doing nearly as well if he had continued being a moderate and opposing his own parties extremism?

Another example of how the books are cooked:

CNN

so is the numbers higher or lower than what it should be? All the more reason to have a group that can accurately identify how many confirmed cases there are and deaths due to covid

"Overall" "actual" Covid deaths under reported.

May or may not be reaching balance with "money motivated fakes"

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2767980

Survival potential will determine whether South Texas county hospital takes in COVID-19 patients

'We cannot continue functioning the way things are going. The numbers are staggering,'
Localsyr.com (Any Texans here heard of them?)

Great news we can all unite against Anthony Fauci and his terrible first pitch at Nationals Park. Stands are empty dude, there are no excuses.

Nobody knows, especially anyone on this thread. All we know is the fix is in, it's just a toss up of which side is cheating more.

As you said, all the more reason to have a group specifically designed to examine each case and make sure Lieutenant Calleverythingcovid isn't the assigned medical examiner on half of the cases.

Man, the left turned on Fauci faster than I thought they would

Its the first pitch of the season and he blew it!

He's seventy nine years old!

I mean, we're all in our seventies after these last couple of months, but still

Well, I think you found the one thing that is more sacred to Vic than his politics.

nope

Then again, you got to remember that these hospitals are the large conglomerates you see in large cities that spans whole city blocks or (in the case of San Antonio) several square miles.

These are county hospitals that may, at most, hold 300 beds, of which only 30 are occupied at one time. Also, Starr County is literally at the border. So, a lot of illegal immigrants (and some legal immigrants) do flock there, especially coming from Mexico where health conditions are much worse there than here.

You honestly expect a county hospital to contain so much? During this pandemic?