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July 2019 Version Update
 Asura.Butmunch
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By Asura.Butmunch 2019-07-08 02:45:34  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
It's stupidly close either way, and it's a clear loss for FC anyway(I think?). How often do you use strictly magical pacts.

Diabolos for Onc... and.... Thunderstorm for Genoob? Meteor Strike for the inferior Zerde style.

The Crown is mainly for FC then anything
its 100% top in slot for FC
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By Bismarck.Zuidar 2019-07-08 02:57:20  
They've really gone crazy restricting certain jobs off decent melee accessories. >_> (Then again, not surprising)
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-07-08 02:58:43  
Asura.Butmunch said: »
The Crown is mainly for FC then anything
its 100% top in slot for FC
Again, I think it depends on the number of Apogee+1 pieces you're using. Using Path C for this example.

With 3+ pieces it's:
13 Mab vs 25 Attack

With 2 pieces it's:
13 mab vs 25 attack, 2BPD

It depends on the total amount of Mab/BPD you have on the other slots but Apogee+1 path C could potentially win in such a situation?
For 3+ slots you're probably right though, Crown might be the winner.
I think I recall Pergatory or Frod saying that for FC 1 mab is roughly worth 2+ attack so clearly at 3+ Apogee Crown should win.



Edit:
I didn't take into account Macc (absent on Apogee) and Acc (pretty much the same on both items, but +3 on crown)
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By Bismarck.Ihinaa 2019-07-08 03:31:31  
Spam debuffs on it and it'll spam Divine Favor
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-07-08 04:22:15  
HTB is not Celestial Nexus
It's not Return to Delkfutt either
It's not Avatar: Ifrit
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By Carbuncle.Papesse 2019-07-08 04:26:53  
It's Trial by Ice.
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By Shichishito 2019-07-08 04:32:56  
the whm nerf made me chuckle, didn't they buff it the previous patch?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-07-08 04:34:27  
Yup, confirmed. Good lookin

it's Shiva
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2019-07-08 05:34:04  
Asura.Butmunch said: »
The Crown is mainly for FC then anything
its 100% top in slot for FC


I've been using Vanya hood for 10% fast cast on smn
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-07-08 05:36:24  
Flaming Crush not fast cast
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2019-07-08 05:48:09  
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***'s situational as always. If you're going for maximum physical damage then Ullr is best. Just set up different weapon sets to keep the option for Ammo swapping available to you.

If you're going to maximum non-stacked WS damage, Ullr wins. Any other situation, maybe not. You give up STP, MEVA, DT options, stacked WS will almost certainly be stronger with Yetshila+1, etc. There is almost no situation in the game that calls for absolute balls to the wall DPS with no regard for anything else. This ammo closes the gap significantly on Ullr's entire benefit to THF, to the point I'd say makes it a pretty much useless consideration outside of giggles.
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By Asura.Frod 2019-07-08 06:58:44  
Asura.Butmunch said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
It's stupidly close either way, and it's a clear loss for FC anyway(I think?). How often do you use strictly magical pacts.

Diabolos for Onc... and.... Thunderstorm for Genoob? Meteor Strike for the inferior Zerde style.

The Crown is mainly for FC then anything
its 100% top in slot for FC

RIP dual varar+1 for phys. Rip Evan's earring for av-out idle (maybe? i think we need that -2 perp).


It's all like... Cool stats bro, but all the increases in the world mean 99k Flaming Crushes still do 99k, so I've already won like 2 years ago... Give us 999k damage cap and give mobs 10x the HP, being uncapped with our damage output would make things interesting again to min/max.
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By Asura.Chaostaru 2019-07-08 06:59:01  
and here I was hoping for a light dmg equivalent to archon ring/pixie hairpin+1 piece
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By Leviathan.Kingkitt 2019-07-08 08:44:01  
Asura.Chaostaru said: »
and here I was hoping for a light dmg equivalent to archon ring/pixie hairpin+1 piece

Same, or even a main hand weapon for trueflight builds.
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By Sylph.Brahmsz 2019-07-08 08:47:00  
OK. Now I'm confused. Someone please enlighten me here.

The description on the OF July Update post says sacrifice/esuna were reverted but their example seems to say different. Can't login to check myself, can someone please verify what they did and whether they screwed up again please. Would greatly appreciate it.
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By Sylph.Funkworkz 2019-07-08 08:49:16  
Sylph.Brahmsz said: »
OK. Now I'm confused. Someone please enlighten me here.

The description on the OF July Update post says sacrifice/esuna were reverted but their example seems to say different. Can't login to check myself, can someone please verify what they did and whether they screwed up again please. Would greatly appreciate it.

Bad English translation. Japanese page is correct.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk 2019-07-08 08:55:52  
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Flaming Crush not fast cast


FC is fast cast.
Flaming Crush should be something else :P
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By Asura.Topace 2019-07-08 09:07:25  
Asura.Chaostaru said: »
and here I was hoping for a light dmg equivalent to archon ring/pixie hairpin+1 piece
SE hates RNG so I’m not surprised. Next month cor gets a 50 Dark MaB earring! You heard it here first.
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By Asura.Meliorah 2019-07-08 09:26:49  
Sacrifice now takes all debuffs but silence and petrification under solance and misery as it worked before.

Esuna now removes debuffs that the host have on them, and its been returned to aoe.
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By Asura.Chaostaru 2019-07-08 09:31:21  
started a thread for cait sith htb.
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/53811/cait-sith-htbf-discussion/#3440109
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By Arew 2019-07-08 09:55:12  
Honestly, the best part of this Cait Sith fight is it forces all the other SMNs in my LS to finally get Cait Sith!
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-07-08 11:07:04  
Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Flaming Crush not fast cast


FC is fast cast.
Flaming Crush should be something else :P

FC Flaming Crush
fc fast cast

easy enough~
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By Sylph.Brahmsz 2019-07-08 11:09:55  
Sylph.Funkworkz said: »
Bad English translation. Japanese page is correct.


Asura.Meliorah said: »
Sacrifice now takes all debuffs but silence and petrification under solance and misery as it worked before.

Esuna now removes debuffs that the host have on them, and its been returned to aoe.

Thank you! :)
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By Asura.Pergatory 2019-07-08 11:14:46  
Asura.Sechs said: »
I think I recall Pergatory or Frod saying that for FC 1 mab is roughly worth 2+ attack so clearly at 3+ Apogee Crown should win.
Not even close. I think the comparison you're thinking of is that 1 BPD = roughly 2.5 MAB, and that's for pure magic BP.

Nobody knows the comparison rate for Flaming Crush but I'd wager 1 MAB is worth closer to 10-20 phys attack. This crown absolutely destroys Apogee +1, mostly because of the big magic accuracy. Anyone who hasn't augmented Nirvana won't realize how much difference 30 or so magic accuracy makes on Flaming Crush, it's a big deal.
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By Asura.Outlawbruce 2019-07-08 11:31:13  
Not one thing said about ninja yet? What are these yonin and innin effects?
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By Shiva.Znitch 2019-07-08 11:40:33  
Asura.Outlawbruce said: »
Not one thing said about ninja yet? What are these yonin and innin effects?

Yonin: Increase maximum HP by 50.

Innin: Increase skillchain and magic burst damage by 1% when behind foe.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Langly 2019-07-08 11:51:18  
Yeah, they weren't really updates. Maybe we can hope for a second update like WHM where we actually get something worthwhile like RDM?
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By Shiva.Xelltrix 2019-07-08 12:06:41  
That gets reverted because they didn't think it through? lol

Oh wait, you mean a second update but an actual good one like RDM.

Yeah, there's always hope I guess.
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By Nariont 2019-07-08 12:07:13  
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Not one thing said about ninja ye

Not much to say, they did just slightly better than 4x san merits, but then they slapped nuke dmg aug off the head piece and put innin there instead of on the feet or legs
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By Fenrir.Melphina 2019-07-08 12:21:39  
The new ammo is "Meh". Speaking from a thief's perspective, the only thing it's best for is an unstacked Rudra's Storm, and since this is unstacked the damage increase over Jukukik Feather will be minimal. The other thieves who've chimed in already are correct that ammo builds are the way to go btw. Yetshila +1 is still way better for stacked rudra's and evisceration, Yamarang/Ginsen make better TP pieces because of sTP, Yamarang slots into a magic evasion build for Mijin Gakure resist, and Staunch is better for anything else -dt related. Basically the ammo builds are not only more versatile than Ullr, but because of the sTP options they also keep up in overall DPS too. The stone is still an upgrade over Jukikiak, but after Gere Ring last month it's kind of boring.

I'm disappointed there's only ONE weapon though. I WANT a meowing hammer dammit!!! *cries in a corner*
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