[Dev] Matsui: R/M/E/C Follow-up

Dunno if I should keep this to PM, but figured I'd ask in case anyone else is confused. Was the only reason for closing the last thread that people were getting too heated? Because as far as I can tell the thread was still more or less on-topic which is pretty amazing for a thread that went to like 140 pages. It's hard to keep it from getting heated because the thread was basically the same conversation happening over and over once every 10 pages or whatever because someone new would enter the thread.

I think it was hard for moderators to keep track of what was going on, so Aelius had to close it.

I would of reopened the thread, but I also had my own issues with doing so. By making a new thread it lets people know that there is an update for the topic, but if I used the old thread people might of overlooked it thinking nothing has changed and they wouldn't know about the update.

If Aelius didn't lock it I would of kept the old thread, but I made my choice and it should be fine.

Come on guys, nobody wants to put work and effort in anymore lol. Instant gratification is way out of hand. Go get your delve weapons which will let you farm voidwatch more efficiently. Doesn't anyone like a challenge and sense of accomplishment anymore geez. It gives you a reason to keep doing some existing content. They hand things out on a silver platter nowadays. I personally enjoy working towards a goal. Having the damage tiered per level will make it less tempting to upgrade.


1. Have nothing > complain.
2. Get something > complain.
3. Get handout > :)
4. Find something else to complain about.

I'm not sure I understand why only Coin weapons would unlock weaponskills.

I'm a few lanterns from unlocking wildfire... seems silly that I should make a new inferior version of the weapon I have, doing essentially the exact same thing over again to get the WS.

Can think of it like a weaponskill quest :P

Do delve. What can you do now? Dynamis is easier, Voidwatch is easier, wait wait. . . anything out of Adoulin is easier now with just 30k plasm? Rejoice! Spend that time making that R/M/E that will get a boost later. You have your new bad *** weapon, now make something with that weapon. :3
Everything is cheap now. WoE weapons are 10mil, Relics are 70mil(and falling), Mythics are 300mil (And dropping, just not as fast) and Empyreans? Well new weapon, smash faces, and get drops, Horray!

Plus an awesome weapon that is easy to get, but is ugly? Oh no, better make myself stronger to do the Delve Megabosses later on that drop EVEN BETTER weapons with ascetic appeal too.

All will be well soon. At this time it seems the developers are giving us a chance to get ourselves stronger before they release more content.
We don't know what to expect with the R/M/E boost, but the past has shown that they always remember to give love to those weapons and boost them appropriately. This isn't the first time this boost has had to happen.

^ This

Why would you use twilight belt if you can cap haste without a belt?
Use windbuffet!

Edit : Plus you'll have hard time beating Black belt in your PDT set.
So Twilight belt is pretty much useless or highly situational on MNK.

I have a feeling it won't be as straight forward as just making a WoE weapon. Also I think it would be ridiculous to have to bring a WoE weapon to 99 to unlock the weapon skill. It's already possible to unlock the Mythic weapon skills which wasn't very hard before and is now incredibly easy to fly through Nyzul if you wanted one. I know there's a lot of Mythic WS that really are not that good on their own, but the same goes for Empyrean WS. I'm not saying unlocking Empyrean WS should be easy, but having to 99 a WoE weapon seems a bit crazy when you compare it to unlocking Mythic WS.

Most Mythic WS are complete ***, most Empyrean WS are fantastic-- there's really no comparison

And 99 WOE weapons are a joke to make, regardless

Watch them do something like let you cash in a 99 WoE weapon for an 85 Emp. lol

Still it's stupid that we're forced to camp lottery nms again for weapons we already made in the empyrean form.

Now that's something I can get on board with. Trial NMs were infinitely worse than Abyssea items ever were

Would you rather they gave you a new set of NMs to farm for the WoE weapon? Or rather just have them scratch your back?
It is the same weapon up to a point (Much like a lot of trials), but at some point the weapon takes a new path and becomes something else. This isn't new other trials have done this in the past.

Dont forget that if you beat the delve bosses and you dotn get the top tier weapon you want, you can always buy their stuff's for 170-200k plasm also

I heard the megaboss weapons are 100k plasm. I also heard that just killing the megaboss alone yields 30k plasm. Airlixirs +2 (15mil) and the top tier (at the moment) delve weapons and gear also drop and then can also be purchased for 50-70k I think it was.

What? Empies should unlock the ws as well, that is all.

The way they are saying you get the weaponskill is by trading the weapon for it. You lose weapon and in exchange you get to use the ws. I would much rather trade a 99 WoE weapon for an Empy ws than I would my 99 Empy that cost a ton more, and will be receiving a boost of power soon.

Armour is 100-170k, the weapons are 200k. So don't spread rumours yourself.

This is pulled out of your butt.

I think I am done here. There is a dev post from about a month ago that explained this all before. ^^ Find it and enlighten yourself. Notice my post and how I edited what I said. I apologize for the portion you quoted, but as far as I heard from a group that beat the megaboss, those were the numbers they gave me.
As for the WoE and Empy situation, look it up yourself or just assume I pulled it out of my butt.

Glad you're done here.

In regards to unlocking the WS's, these are my ideas:

Mythic WS's

- Leave it as is. Can already be unlocked.

Empyrean WS's
- talk to an npc with the 85+ Empyrean weapon equipped to unlock the WS.
--or--
- talk to an npc with the 99 WoE weapon equipped to unlock the WS.

Relic WS's

- talk to an npc with the 75 Relic equipped to unlock the WS

"In regards to Walk of Echoes weapons, these were implemented with the concept of allowing players to use the specialized empyrean weapon skills, so instead of revamping them we felt it more appropriate to have them serve to unlock the weapons skills (planning to have restrictions based on jobs and level). Also, we are looking into adjustments for the method to create Walk of Echoes weapons."

Watch out for the spitfire behind the keyboard everyone. ^^

In no way that says that you lose the weapon. I thought you were done. I already quoted it btw.

So no boost in power. Either they will be like the trial weapons that you use them enough to unlock and then you chuck, or you trade in and lose. Either way those items are inventory -1 once you get the weaponskill.

Well I never said WoE were hard, just comparing. I'm sure if you didn't spend any gil it would take quite some time to farm all the items for a 99 WoE. I haven't done WoE in a while so I wouldn't know lol. I did some WoE weapons to 90 a while back so I'll hopefully have a head start. I did throw away my Daka +2 though when I got my Twashstar. I'm predicting something like this:

- Start a quest by trading your WoE weapon to an NPC after it is 85 or higher.

- Get WS points in increments based on the level of your WoE weapon. Maybe something like 99 = 250, 95 = 500, 90 = 750, 85 = 1000.

what does that even say about camping lottery NMs

To make a WoE weapon is like making an empy weapon up to the items trading portion. You fight the same NMs as the empy weapon, only then it is aby items you trade for empy weapon or WoE items for the WoE version