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 Asura.Yojimmbo
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By Asura.Yojimmbo 2019-04-13 16:30:41  
As a warrior, do I need Regal Captains Gloves? And in which gear set do they belong to?
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By Lili 2019-04-13 18:28:00  
Asura.Yojimmbo said: »
As a warrior, do I need Regal Captains Gloves? And in which gear set do they belong to?

TL;DR: You do not need them.

If you get them and want to use them, they have a place in low accuracy sets, provided your accuracy is in the 60%-20% hit rate. Above 60 they do nothing at all.

Under 60% hit rate they can be very good as they basically let you keep using your storetp/multiattack set without having to swap any other piece for accuracy. Requires knowing in advance what your hit rate will be tho, and since the special effect is tiered, you want to arrange things so your hit rate is at the high end of the tier. A very niche pieces, all things considered... not needed by any stretch.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2019-04-13 21:01:50  
The only thing they're good for is finding an NM's evasion.
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2019-04-13 21:10:10  
Sylph.Reain said: »
Old wiki covers some: https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Damage_Types (recommend adblock)

And BG covers some in the resistance section on the right, e.g. https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Vinipata

JPs seem to have damage resistances listed here too: https://www53.atwiki.jp/bartlett3/pages/313.html (will need google translate, there's more pages in the sidebar)

Nice, thank you. The JP link is perfect. It seems to have all the newer type mob families listed, which is exactly what I was looking for.

When using Google translate it says:

Astringent Acuex
Zan-12.5% Rippled-12.5% Strike-75% Far + 12.5%

I assume Zan = Slash, Strike = Pierce, Far = Blunt and Rippled = uhh 2nd type of blunt?
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By Asura.Snapster 2019-04-13 21:21:21  
Piercing and Ranged
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By Ramuh.Austar 2019-04-13 21:34:15  
There are two types of blunt, though, H2H for whatever reason is a different blunt type than clubs or staves.
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By Siren.Kyte 2019-04-13 21:34:24  
Google trans isn't giving a consistent translation, but I believe:

斬(Zan)= Slashing

突(Ripple) = Piercing

打(Strike) = Blunt

遠(Far) = Ranged

Surprised they didn't have a separate H2H category, but I guess that doesn't matter on very many things (Caturae shields aside, I think just magic pots?).
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By Afania 2019-04-14 00:39:15  
Sylph.Reain said: »
Old wiki covers some: https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Damage_Types (recommend adblock)

And BG covers some in the resistance section on the right, e.g. https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Vinipata

JPs seem to have damage resistances listed here too: https://www53.atwiki.jp/bartlett3/pages/313.html (will need google translate, there's more pages in the sidebar)

Is that list accurate? It says Yakshi piercing = +0% but I recall it takes less piercing dmg.
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By Sylph.Reain 2019-04-14 07:29:23  
I think it's fairly accurate but there's probably some mistakes and some of it is incomplete. I'd be inclined to agree that Yakshi probably has the same damage resistances as Wopket (-95% piercing) but I haven't tested it.

This page is interesting.
https://www53.atwiki.jp/bartlett3/pages/314.html
It lists the dynamis wave 1 and 2 statue levels for sandy and some of the stats for the high tier Leviathan fights. It also has player avatars I think?

Doesn't seem to list Teles as piercing weak either? I thought she was.
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By Bismarck.Feanorsof 2019-04-14 14:24:02  
Which cape are we using for Ukko's Fury these days?

I seem to have a 10% Crit one but i'm using WSD which was probably due to the WSD bug.

I looked back in this thread and Saeval mentioned a DA cape over Crit, at least for when blood rage is up possibly?
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By Delagyela 2019-04-14 14:49:33  
Looking for a hybrid TP set,
Right now i use a full on turtle set taken from my pld.
I was thinking sulevias but the haste drop is harsh any ideas?
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2019-04-14 15:22:31  
Current set:
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={
    ammo="Staunch Tathlum +1",
    head={ name="Valorous Mask", augments={'"Dbl.Atk."+1','Accuracy+16 Attack+16','Damage taken-5%','Mag. Acc.+4 "Mag.Atk.Bns."+4',}},
    body={ name="Valorous Mail", augments={'Pet: "Dbl. Atk."+2','INT+7','"Store TP"+8','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','Mag. Acc.+16 "Mag.Atk.Bns."+16',}},
    hands="Sulev. Gauntlets +2",
    legs="Pumm. Cuisses +3",
    feet="Pumm. Calligae +3",
    neck="Loricate Torque +1",
    waist="Ioskeha Belt +1",
    left_ear="Cessance Earring",
    right_ear="Telos Earring",
    left_ring="Defending Ring",
    right_ring="Moonlight Ring",
    back={ name="Cichol's Mantle", augments={'DEX+20','Accuracy+20 Attack+20','Accuracy+10','"Dbl.Atk."+10','Phys. dmg. taken-10%',}},
}


Head is a DM Aug. I should probably ditch Loricate for the +2 necks HP+ and DD stats and make up that DT elsewhere.

Best bet is to use:

Staunch+1
Souveran Body- Accuracy Path
Sulevia Gloves+2
Dring
Moonlight/Vocane Ring
AF+2 Pants
Ambu Cape with PDT-10 or DT-5 depending on where you are at cap.
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By Delagyela 2019-04-14 15:34:41  
thanks
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By Taint 2019-04-14 16:10:33  
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By Delagyela 2019-04-15 08:56:58  
High hp, but i like it.
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By Gasho 2019-04-16 18:07:09  
why is Niqmaddu is used in tp set when we can use maybe 6tp ring?
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By Valefor.Yandaime 2019-04-16 19:25:56  
Taint said: »

That’s almost my exact set and I love it.
TONS of HP
GREAT Offensive Power and Accuracy
VERY High DT/PDT

almost allows you to tank like a RUN just... not as good lol
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-04-16 19:44:54  
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
Taint said: »

That’s almost my exact set and I love it.
TONS of HP
GREAT Offensive Power and Accuracy
VERY High DT/PDT

almost allows you to tank like a RUN just... not as good lol

The key to all that is Retaliation, god I love retaliation.

Warrior tanks by smashing it's face into the monsters fist until the monsters fist breaks.
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By Shiva.Pukkaup 2019-04-18 12:31:58  


anyone know if these have to be worn for the duration of retaliation to have the affect or is it worn on activation ?
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By Shiva.Pukkaup 2019-04-18 12:32:40  
Boii calligae +1
the picture didnt upload
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By Asura.Yso 2019-04-18 13:23:15  
Shiva.Pukkaup said: »
Boii calligae +1

Need to be worn. They add dmg when retaliating.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2019-04-18 13:23:24  
Shiva.Pukkaup said: »


anyone know if these have to be worn for the duration of retaliation to have the affect or is it worn on activation ?


Needs to be worn during
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-04-19 20:56:02  
Anyone know of a parser that can detect retaliations other then kparser? After all these years we still don't have solid data on retaliation proc rates and I'd like to get some for Great Axe, Dual Wield, and One Handed delays.
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By Spaitin 2019-04-24 02:49:29  
anyone played around with cataclysm builds with xoanon?
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By Asura.Yso 2019-04-24 02:56:55  
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anyone played around with cataclysm builds with xoanon?

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Going to try this out in May.
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By SimonSes 2019-04-24 06:51:10  
Odyssean Body, Hands, Legs and Feet with WSD, mab/macc and INT would be huge upgrades to this set.
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By Valefor.Yandaime 2019-04-24 08:19:39  
Asura.Saevel said: »
Anyone know of a parser that can detect retaliations other then kparser? After all these years we still don't have solid data on retaliation proc rates and I'd like to get some for Great Axe, Dual Wield, and One Handed delays.


We don’t have this data? Huh, I guess at the time of release everyone was firmly on the Greataxe wave and never bothered to analyze it.

Gonna be a pain but can test by hand with various low-level weapons vs Mandy outside of Adoulin. Voke them and line up but engage some off-target so your weapon is out but you aren’t cluttering your own log.

500 samples should be enough to narrow down the rate.

Interesting question is if it’s a clean function or set in tiers.
Retaliation = Y x DEL instead of Retaliation = something for this DEL~otherDEL similar to STP brackets.

Hopefully clean function.
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-04-24 09:37:10  
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
We don’t have this data? Huh, I guess at the time of release everyone was firmly on the Greataxe wave and never bothered to analyze it.

We have very generic data gathered shortly after retaliation was released. The proc rate is influenced by the delay of your weapon and we never bothered to map out a solid set of values. Instead the general agreed upon value is about 40~45% with a Great Axe.

I'm talking to flippant to see if we can get Retaliation parsing added to his parse add-on.
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By Asura.Yso 2019-04-24 15:26:44  
SimonSes said: »
Odyssean Body, Hands, Legs and Feet with WSD, mab/macc and INT would be huge upgrades to this set.

Will improve on it then. Ty.
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-04-24 23:49:06  
Ok preliminary testing from a version Flippant modified for retaliation. Retaliation can only proc when a monster hits you and in fact it procs as a spike effect. So yes guys, we got Warrior Spikes.

Chango

22 Retaliations
46 Monster Hits

Reikiko and Blurred Shield +1
31 Retaliations
35 Monster Hits

I'm 2100 so this is with the JP bonus though we never exactly figured it out.
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