The Sealed Dagger: A Ninja Guide

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By geigei 2019-02-27 06:51:44  
Cool, i guess i was expecting too much, thx for feedback.
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By SimonSes 2019-02-27 07:31:20  
Asura.Kusaregedo said: »
i did a quick test on apex crabs this morning with kaja katana and found the ku numbers were slightly behind metsu with trust buffs only. i don't have access to cor/geo/brd to provide those numbers.

so you end up with a fairly solid ws that doesn't have sc properties quite as good as shun or metsu with heishi and kikoku.

If you did use the set you was showing earlier, then your attack was crap with just trusts.

Judging just from fTP and WSC, Ku should be competitive with :Ten at 1000TP.

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If anything you should consider Kaja Katana. It's actually competitive when doing WS near 1000TP.

Blade: Ten with Aeonic has 16.31 fTP at 1000TP (including moonshade and 57%WSD).
Blade: Ku with Kaja Katana has 13.92 fTP at 1000TP, but you don't build for WSD, so you can have more WSC and multi-attack and with MA proc fTP can go up to 18.56.
 
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By Afania 2019-02-27 12:12:22  
geigei said: »
Quetz dragon metsu were 12k~ with bog frailty, dia3, 11 chaos (cor savage blade 20k~)

Neak metsu were 18k-21k with bolster frailty, dia3, 11 chaos (cor savage blade 35-37k)


The real answer is use savage blade on NIN with Kaja sword/TP bonus.
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By Ragnarok.Haxetc 2019-02-27 12:31:57  
NIN has had Savage Blade the whole time. It's just called Blade: Ten instead :)
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By Afania 2019-02-27 12:42:23  
Ragnarok.Haxetc said: »
NIN has had Savage Blade the whole time. It's just called Blade: Ten instead :)

I know, but they don't have ambu katana that directly boost ten by 15%. So savage blade actually gets tp bonus 1000 and wsd+ on mainhand.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-02-27 12:47:05  
Keep that nonsense over in the COR forum. We good over here

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By Afania 2019-02-27 12:48:07  
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Keep that nonsense over in the COR forum. We good over here

Huh? I'm not talking about cor at all. What's the hostility?


Afania said: »
The real answer is use savage blade on NIN with Kaja sword/TP bonus.

You guys are discussing ws comparsion but none mentions savage which is now usable on NIN, so I just mentioned it.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-02-27 12:49:40  
I said
DEUCES ✌️ ✌️ ✌️ ✌️ ✌️ ✌️ ✌️ ✌️ ✌️

Heishi 4 lyfe
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By Afania 2019-02-27 12:51:34  
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I said
DEUCES ✌️ ✌️ ✌️ ✌️ ✌️ ✌️ ✌️ ✌️ ✌️


Buukki probably can't tolerate nin using a sword D:
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-02-27 12:54:53  
Blade Ten is a Shoryuken. Aint about to substitute it for a Sky High Vega claw.
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By Afania 2019-02-27 12:57:01  
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Blade Ten is a Shoryuken. Aint about to substitute it for a Sky High Vega claw.

BUT PARSE :<
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-02-27 13:03:38  
Jokes aside

that Kaja katana is creeping up on Fudo Masamune. Who knows how close it might get next update/glow/augments. The attack bonus on fudo is very high, but conditional (shadows up). At the least, doesn't really make sense to buy a Mochizuki Shinobi-Gatana if you can rock out with Kaja.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-03-10 00:05:45  
Final Ambuscade Weapon stats:
D157
Delay 227
DEX/AGI/INT +15
Accuracy +40
Attack +30
Ranged Accuracy +40
Magic Accuracy +40
Magic Attack Bonus +16
Magic Damage +217
Katana/Parrying/Magic Accuracy Skill + 250

Main Hand: Blade Ku: Damage +60%
Regain varies depending on dual wield

Since Ochu has no native macc and far inferior skill to Final/Kaja, NIN got a pretty good nuke set of katanas for upper tier content where they much needed the macc. You give up 16 MBBII, but it was useless if you didn't have the macc to support it. Or you can opt to use the bow instead and split the difference.

And not a shabby offhand either.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-03-10 01:26:00  
Ready to build a "maximum dw" idle set for regain?
 
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-03-10 13:13:38  
Neither. Fudo masamune exists as the top accuracy offhand, and Kanaria well augmented beats that of you don't need acc ( STP, ta). Even ochu should be better if you're spamming ten and don't need the accuracy.

It would be a close second behind fudo though when you need access/racc. I guess it depends if there will be augments on it to push it further ahead
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By Asura.Snapster 2019-03-11 10:19:29  
The dagger might be bis for offhand. The delay is pretty neat and the stats are good.
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By Asura.Snapster 2019-03-11 10:23:16  
I'm assuming you can mix and match weapon types although this might be unviable because of "dagger skill +250" probably bring mainhand only.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-03-11 10:31:17  
I don't see how that 250 skill would be Main Hand bonus only. I overlooked the dagger's delay for NIN, that is pretty interesting. You lose out on the sweet AGI Bonus from the Katana for Daken (lol). But I'm even looking at that as a main hand weapon with the crit bonuses. NIN can already use Su3+1, wonder how good that might be with the Evisc bonus.
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By Asura.Snapster 2019-03-11 13:34:03  
Yeah you can mix and match weapon types, the combat skill bonus just only applies to the hand. There would be a 58~ accuracy difference between main and sub when using the dagger offhand. This might be an issue. When using kanaria (TA+3 DEX+15 Acc+17) I'm at a 25 acc difference between main/sub to put it in perspective.
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2019-03-11 13:38:39  
What are some good weapon options for a new 99 ninja?
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By Carbuncle.Lunatone 2019-03-11 13:46:47  
Other than Kaja you could prob do just fine with like ochu
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By kishr 2019-03-11 19:35:13  
Got aeonic last weekend so researching how to use nin atm,
I'll end up getting a relic for 2nd weapon but is a taka from vinni reisenjima T4 any good for now till I figure out the job or is the ru'an t2 or reisen t2 weapon better?
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-03-11 20:11:30  
I think Taka is good if you're a Kannagi user. Otherwise, Heishi can utilize Ochu (capped) or Kanaria with TA/STRorDex/AccAtt augments. I guess if you have Taka and no Ochu/Kanaria, its fine. It has agi and ranged acc which is great for Daken, and its well-rounded. The AGI won't help your WSs much with Heishi though.

I think the Ru'Aun katana is sufficient, but it can be altogether skipped if you get one of the two I mentioned above. I rank it as kind of weak, wouldn't go out of my way to get it.

The new conversation will start revolving around these ambuscade arms, specifically the dagger, katana, and sword. I'm sure those more knowledgeable at number crunching will be able to give some hard details as to which weapon is the ideal offhand for Ninja. I have my eye on the dagger for now.
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By kishr 2019-03-11 20:44:24  
Also, shouldn't bother with relic till word on ambuscade weapons you think?
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-03-11 20:54:25  
Might make sense to wait. I haven't seen any spreadsheet gurus post data stating that dagger/sword/katana beats any of the rmea's yet. Relic is still a good main hand weapon, doubt these new weapons will dethrone it so easily. Metsu is a good ws/sc partner
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By Asura.Veikur 2019-03-11 21:04:40  
Doesn't seem like anyone who cares about testing anything managed to get the weapons before Gorpa was kidnapped.

So we're kinda stuck.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Langly 2019-03-11 21:06:45  
Have everything, just waiting for Gorpa to come back from vacay.
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