The Sealed Dagger: A Ninja Guide

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 Asura.Haxetc
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By Asura.Haxetc 2019-03-11 21:45:13  
Don't tell me you're doing the Katana Langly :(
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2019-03-11 21:53:16  
Gotta do science to see the tier(s) of regain!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Langly 2019-03-11 22:00:06  
Asura.Haxetc said: »
Don't tell me you're doing the Katana Langly :(

Hey, I'll do a couple. :D But yes... katana first. It's always first. :D
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By Leviathan.Zelllo 2019-03-12 04:10:02  
Data dump on the gokotai

Engaged animation:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WVkh-W_BFzo

No extra DW: 36 tp/tick regain
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl0ZXmzlyxk

Dual wield equiped (not maxed by high)79 tp/tick
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HAkmDYJLmPc
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By Ruaumoko 2019-03-12 04:41:55  
Looks like 36/tick is the base.

Adding a Dual Wield +10 JSE mantle added 10 to the Regain.
Adding a Ryuo Somen for +8 added another 8 to the Regain.

Looks like 1 Dual Wield = 1 Regain.

That's actually really good and lends itself to some interesting idle sets if you can really jack up the Dual Wield value.

Let's see the pieces we can get.

Ryuo Somen +1 (9)
AF +3 Body (10)
AF +3 Legs (5)
Floral Gauntlets (5)
Reiki Yotai (7)
Suppanomini (5)
Hizamaru Sune-Ate (8)

That's 85/tick Regain.
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By Taint 2019-03-12 05:54:33  
Free 3000tp opener then swap to Bestu.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-03-12 08:21:20  
Ruaumoko said: »
Looks like 36/tick is the base.

Adding a Dual Wield +10 JSE mantle added 10 to the Regain.
Adding a Ryuo Somen for +8 added another 8 to the Regain.

Looks like 1 Dual Wield = 1 Regain.

That's actually really good and lends itself to some interesting idle sets if you can really jack up the Dual Wield value.

Let's see the pieces we can get.

Ryuo Somen +1 (9)
AF +3 Body (10)
AF +3 Legs (5)
Floral Gauntlets (5)
Reiki Yotai (7)
Suppanomini (5)
Hizamaru Sune-Ate (8)

That's 85/tick Regain.

Relic+3 legs is 10 DW
Eabani +4
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By kishr 2019-03-12 08:25:35  
Eh, can't you just get 1k tp in under 5 seconds for a real ws compared to bothering with a trick for extra tp, and you still get the SC.
Is this weapon for low geared people to be able to SC solo?
If a 85 tick regain that's a rough 450tp by the 8s timer elapses for a SC, on high gear, and low gear is a extra 350 roughly on a non geared nin for extra tp, during that duration.
Seems this weapon is for low geared people to self solo SC.
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By Asura.Snapster 2019-03-12 08:39:33  
That's a lot of regain and in today's content you spend considerable amounts of time idle. The Ku bonus seems large enough to make it competitive with other REMA WS.
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By Carbuncle.Lunatone 2019-03-12 08:51:20  
I guess it could be good for like..Erinys? paired w/ tact roll but that's like all I can think of
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2019-03-12 09:01:36  
Best katana when you get trolled by mobs that PD/invincible on you repeatedly heh
Also good if you get terror'd, or subjected to something that ruins your accuracy or ability to attack.
Utsu cast time/JA delay is small, but you get regain during that too with this i suppose.

Its better than my AG Nagi i bet!
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-03-12 09:27:52  
I'd use this katana in a low buff/haste scenario. Heishi shines mostly with buffs, but having a regain piece for a dw set I'd already be using when not haste capped would be rather ideal. It's really just icing on the cake. KU bonus being extra. Or perhaps something that induces a slow aura or a fight that doesn't allow you to put up bubbles or rolls (looking at ambuscade from last month, frog etc). Or even if I die and lose buffs and have to wait on the Corsair or Bard to buff me back up again. Can mijin>use DW regain set to split the lost time difference while I'd otherwise be waiting on weakness timer or new buffs.

It's not going to compete with a rema in a high buff scenario but why would it? Just another tool in the tool box of ninja. And I'll gladly take it.
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By Bahamut.Alexcennah 2019-03-12 10:18:53  
Ku is by no means a weak WS. The only reason we don't use it nowadays is because both Ten and Shun are better on their respective niches. That WSD +60% is massive for an already strong WS. It easily destroys Ten without Heishi (and theoretically even WITH Heishi, at lower TP values). It wouldn't surprise me if Gokotai Ku spam would come now as our best option in super-buffed scenarios.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-03-12 10:32:08  
At the very least, Gokutai-Ku is a pretty awesome mouthful. Competes heavily with Metsu is Bestu.
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By Asura.Snapster 2019-03-12 10:34:20  
Yeah. It has potential. Hand waiving it this early is too hasty. The regain is one of those things that is going to be more useful than it seems, especially with content like dynamis divergeance where you're idling quite a bit.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2019-03-12 10:54:25  
you'll have over 2k tp by the time sneakattack comes off cooldown with /thf,
might try some ambu katana+tp bonus offhand sneakattack ws shenanigans

All these interesting mainhands to play with really makes offhand options feel a bit underwhelming. It would be nice to get some offhand only tanky/enmity/gimmic katanas
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-03-12 10:56:44  
Does TP even modify damage on Ku? thought it was just accuracy.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2019-03-12 10:59:00  
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Does TP even modify damage on Ku? thought it was just accuracy.
I was thinking of something like blade:ten that scales
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By Bahamut.Alexcennah 2019-03-12 10:59:37  
Don't bother. Ku's damage doesn't scale with TP and it's a 5-hit WS.

Edit: Beaten.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-03-12 11:01:32  
Valefor.Sapphire said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Does TP even modify damage on Ku? thought it was just accuracy.
I was thinking of something like blade:ten that scales

Ah my mistake. I always wanted to see the Heishi/TP Bonus numbers. I know taint mentioned it a while back, but seems it never gained traction. And Afaina brought up the sword savage blade spam build. I wonder how much of an acc loss NIN suffers from going off script like that for a little.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-03-12 11:14:43  
Anybody have an up-to-date Ku set?
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By Carbuncle.Lunatone 2019-03-12 12:06:39  
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edit: on Belephor I was only getting 24k w/ bolster and XI crooked drk/fighter
metsu was doing 20-24k w/o bolster and w/ random rolls #s(neither lucky or unluckys) drk/fighters

Adhemar is all STR/DEX path, hands DEX/AGI path
Cape DEX30 att/acc DA

also ring1 is Epona's let me fix that ***
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By Asura.Snapster 2019-03-12 12:55:27  
A 60% boost to Ku would move that 24k to nearly 40k. I'm not sure what a BiS set looks like for Ku.
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By Asura.Veikur 2019-03-12 12:59:58  
MultiAttack/ACC/ATT/STR/DEX
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By Carbuncle.Lunatone 2019-03-12 13:43:53  
Asura.Snapster said: »
A 60% boost to Ku would move that 24k to nearly 40k. I'm not sure what a BiS set looks like for Ku.

That was w/ the katana. I'm about to do ginx2 and scoreboard metsu and ku and see how it goes
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By Bahamut.Alexcennah 2019-03-12 14:00:32  
You can use the same set as Shun, with more focus in STR and attack.
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By Carbuncle.Lunatone 2019-03-12 14:51:37  
Bahamut.Alexcennah said: »
You can use the same set as Shun, with more focus in STR and attack.

I'm using basically my shun set for it, just not using byakko's 119 instead ken legs +1
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By Carbuncle.Lunatone 2019-03-12 15:05:10  

Hopefully this works I've only ever posted like 2 pictures before.

But this is Gin, trusts were arciela I, amchuchu, and brygid. They all died except ofc brygid around 50% ish so I had to tank until end which slowed it down even more

When they were all alive was doing Fury/Frail entrust haste. When they were gone went to Haste/Torpor and just entrusting refreshing to myself.
Its not perfect ofc because I'm 3boxing and for w/e reason today sometimes when I hit my //send command all 3 instances would freeze
But Ku peaked for me around 11k, saw one 12k
It actually got so bad I couldnt even finish the fight I started taking so long
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