Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Just have angry sex and be done with it.
Gally...!
Ragnarok WAR TP Sets - Optimal
Ragnarok WAR TP sets - Optimal
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Thats not me saying it missed. Thats me calculating the odds of 1 out of 5 missing with 95% ACC.
Being miss tolerant on a multihit WS with a 1/4 chance to miss a hit is standard since like 2004. You are more likely to miss the "extra" hits since they dont get the acc bonus. If you miss the first hit youre p much ***. But we all knew that so what the *** is your point?
I keep going back to my set because yours is completely ***. And we're the same as far as miss tolerance goes, unless you WS in store TP gear.
Assuming all you have is brutal for WS,
(16.6*5)+12.7+(1.1*4)= 100.1
as opposed to my set, due to rose strap:
(16.5*5)+13.2+(1.2*4)= 100.5
Looks like you're both gimp and can't miss a hit.
Assuming all you have is brutal for WS,
(16.6*5)+12.7+(1.1*4)= 100.1
as opposed to my set, due to rose strap:
(16.5*5)+13.2+(1.2*4)= 100.5
Looks like you're both gimp and can't miss a hit.
Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Legitimate question.
I really don't know, but wouldn't this (for restraint down):
be better... as you're sitting on pretty much the same stats, but it has a couple more double attack (unless rancor's better). Only problem is you're stuck using Rose Strap when 'straint's up. Plus if you weaponskill in Rajas and Brutal you should be able to miss a hit, no?
No, I'm really not. Even with .95^4, I'm still almost 3 times as likely to DA than I am to miss a hit. Which is the whole *** point that being miss tolerant is stupid. And again, my set (due to rose strap) is just as miss tolerant as yours unless you stack store TP on WS.
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
The 4 besides the main hit? And no, I really don't (need to be miss tolerant)with a 28% DA rate and 95% hit rate, I'm more likely to DA than I am to miss.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
5% chance to miss vs 28% chance to add an additional hit regardless of a miss. Hmmmmm.
You're completely lost. I like how youre comparing WS sets when no one posted any.
Kin37ix said: »
comparing WS sets
Where is that coming from? o.O Am I completely blind or something?
edit: Austar beat me, I'm slow.
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
No, I'm really not. Even with .95^4, I'm still almost 3 times as likely to DA than I am to miss a hit. Which is the whole *** point that being miss tolerant is stupid. And again, my set (due to rose strap) is just as miss tolerant as yours unless you stack store TP on WS.
Cause miss tolerant sets cant DA.
Also, youre more likely to miss 1/6 than you are 1/5, so again, be miss tolerant, it doesnt even take any effort or sacrifices.
Seriously, miss tolerant on multihit WS's is a standard community embraced concept since like 2004. Go search BG.
Youre arguing against being miss tolerant only because I'm arguing for it. Either that or you really believe that it's a bad idea, in which case you really are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
Kin37ix said: »
Youre arguing against being miss tolerant only because I'm arguing for it. Either that or you really believe that it's a bad idea, in which case you really are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
I'm sure this has already been said, but let me make it clearer.
Her set has .4 more overflow TP than your's does (then if you add rajas it has one more overflow TP, meaning you can actually miss a hit), while you're arguing that you need to be "miss tolerant". Please explain to me what the *** you've been arguing about the past two pages.
CAN WE GET BACK ON TOPIC RAWR.
ANYWAY
is a 6-hit with restraint down even remotely worth it or is it better to stick to a 7-hit? D:<
Right, but you haven't actually done anything... you've just been saying your set is better when it actually gives you less overflow TP.
Maybe I'm completely missing something here and you're going to weaponskill in a bunch of store tp, which seems incredibly *** ridiculous.
edit: nice ninja edit... but yes, it seems you have been.
Maybe I'm completely missing something here and you're going to weaponskill in a bunch of store tp, which seems incredibly *** ridiculous.
edit: nice ninja edit... but yes, it seems you have been.
It is kind of dumb to WS in a lot of Store TP when, even if I do miss a hit, more often than not I probably got a DA proc as well.
Mostly I think he's just jealous of my rose strap.
Mostly I think he's just jealous of my rose strap.
Lol.
but no, is it even worth it to 6-hit with 'straint down >_>...
'cus I really don't wanna have to go pick up a rose strap if it's not worth the time <_<...
but no, is it even worth it to 6-hit with 'straint down >_>...
'cus I really don't wanna have to go pick up a rose strap if it's not worth the time <_<...
Wait.
So the last three pages are in direct response to some gimp raging because he doesn't have a rose strap?
So the last three pages are in direct response to some gimp raging because he doesn't have a rose strap?
this is boring, see if tinypic works for you yet
Jesus Christ it takes maybe an afternoon to go get the damn rose strap, assuming you don't have a single AN.
For gimps like me which is the lowest rank in campaign, it takes 100 days!
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Kin37ix said: »
ITT: You dont need to be miss tolerant on a 5 hit WS.
If thats not HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE level ***idk what is.
If thats not HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE level ***idk what is.
This should have been the end of the thread.
7hit Rag, max hit rate, profit.
if I am reading it correctly, I think he mean he would prefer a 6 hit that rely heavily on connecting all hits on WSs instead of building for something that is like a true X hit.
When I was comparing a build with 6 hit restraint down/7hit restraint up to the build I suggested earlier that is 7 hit full time with sword strap, in both low haste and high haste situations, the 7 hit I suggested attacked ~5-10% more times (~5% with low haste, ~10% with capped magic haste) due to the higher double attack and -3% delay. Both builds did roughly the same number of ws's though. The 6/7 build averaged 1-2 more ws in the course of an hour.
Doing the 6/7 hit build does not seem worth it to me, so I am gonna stick with my proposed 7 hit with sword strap until someone can prove me wrong or offers something better.
Doing the 6/7 hit build does not seem worth it to me, so I am gonna stick with my proposed 7 hit with sword strap until someone can prove me wrong or offers something better.
Prove to me how a 7 hit is better then.
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