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 Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-15 18:18:57  
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5% chance to miss vs 28% chance to add an additional hit regardless of a miss. Hmmmmm.


24% with capped accuracy, retard. It's a fice hit. Learn to math.
Actually 28 x .95 is 26.6, lol. Also, fyi, your set with less store tp in WS is just as miss-intolerant as mine.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-08-15 18:19:05  
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ITT: You dont need to be miss tolerant on a 5 hit WS.

If thats not HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE level ***idk what is.
I don't think I've ever come across a capped-hitrate situation for any x-hit job where building around the possibility of more than one miss generated an increase in DPS. I'm not seeing the issue here given WAR's high DA rate. If anything, I'm more curious about the lack of AF3+2 hands in either set.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-15 18:20:05  
Kin37ix said: »
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5% chance to miss vs 28% chance to add an additional hit regardless of a miss. Hmmmmm.


~24% with capped accuracy, retard. It's a five hit. Learn to math.
Oh, you meant 5x5. Which, is 25 by the way. Not "roughly 24."
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-15 18:21:51  
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ITT: You dont need to be miss tolerant on a 5 hit WS.

If thats not HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE level ***idk what is.
I don't think I've ever come across a capped-hitrate situation for any x-hit job where building around the possibility of more than one miss generated an increase in DPS. I'm not seeing the issue here given WAR's high DA rate. If anything, I'm more curious about the lack of AF3+2 hands in either set.
Don't think you can get a worthwhile 6 hit without the extra store TP from ogier's.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-08-15 18:22:41  
Right Restraint...7hit *dodges*
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-15 18:23:13  
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
5% chance to miss vs 28% chance to add an additional hit regardless of a miss. Hmmmmm.


~24% with capped accuracy, retard. It's a five hit. Learn to math.
Oh, you meant 5x5. Which, is 25 by the way. Not "roughly 24."


Except its not 5x5, again learn to math.
6 x 4?
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-08-15 18:23:22  
Could 6hit with ogier gloves while restraint is down and 7hit with af3+2 when it's up?
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-08-15 18:24:42  
Or you can use an Ukon like normal people!
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-15 18:32:19  
That would matter, if we weren't comparing individual hits.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-15 18:35:18  
Kin37ix said: »
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That would matter, if we weren't comparing individual hits.

lol what? Seriously I'm done with you.

23% of your Res will miss a hit with capped ACC.

Deal with it.
No, it won't. That's 77% chance ALL hits would land, not individual hits. And I'll say it again, your set would be just as miss-intolerant as mine due to rose strap during WS.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-08-15 18:40:29  
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
6 x 4?

X = Miss Rate (5%)
Y = Number Of Relevant Hits (5)

1-((100-X)/100)^Y = ~23%


HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE level is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
Technically it's 4 - if your main hit whiffs, your x-hit breaks regardless. Even then, you're not accounting for multiattacks negating the loss of TP return.

Deep breaths, people.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-15 18:43:15  
Kin37ix said: »
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That's 77% chance ALL hits would land.

Are you dumb? Yes 100-23 is 77. 23% chance 1 hit will miss, or ~1 in 4 weaponskills.

Calculating multiple misses is a different formula altogether.
Even if you were right, your set is just is unable to miss as mine. And your set is worse in literally every single way barring 4-5 acc.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-08-15 18:43:49  
Just have angry sex and be done with it.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-15 18:45:08  
Kin37ix said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
6 x 4?

X = Miss Rate (5%)
Y = Number Of Relevant Hits (5)

1-((100-X)/100)^Y = ~23%


HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE level is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
Technically it's 4 - if your main hit whiffs, your x-hit breaks regardless. Even then, you're not accounting for multiattacks negating the loss of TP return.

Deep breaths, people.

Who the *** said anything about a main hit whiffing? Stop trying to defend her. Also, your main hit is always pretty much capped.
You did.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-08-15 18:46:05  
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Who the *** said anything about a main hit whiffing?
If you stop raging so hard and think about it, you'll see why it matters in context.

Quote:
Stop trying to defend her.
I'm not trying to defend Austar at all. I'm trying to keep this thread from derailing completely.

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Also, your main hit is always pretty much capped.
This is irrelevant.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-08-15 18:46:23  
Why do you keep insulting, seriously? It all started with a Rose strap suggestion, was that so offensive?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-15 18:46:46  
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
That's 77% chance ALL hits would land.

Are you dumb? Yes 100-23 is 77. 23% chance 1 hit will miss, or ~1 in 4 weaponskills.

Calculating multiple misses is a different formula altogether.
Even if you were right, your set is just is unable to miss as mine. And your set is worse in literally every single way barring 4-5 acc.

I never said mine was better. Youre still HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE an youre still ***at math.
Obviously not.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-15 18:47:28  
Kin37ix said: »
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You did.

Where?
X = Miss Rate (5%)
Y = Number Of Relevant Hits (5) <- here

1-((100-X)/100)^Y = ~23%
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By Asura.Myrrh 2012-08-15 18:49:18  
Optimal gear is Rose strap with a Conqueror.



That's all.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-08-15 18:50:57  
Is it worth it to go after a 6 hit with retraint down? Looking at the stats of Kin37ix and Sehachan sets compared to the 7 hit I proposed. (Assuming 6/3 Armada and not including Ragnarok stats.)

Siren.Thoraeon said: »

STR+31
DEX+16
Atk+95
Acc+39
DA+19
Crit+5
Delay-3%
STP+21

Kin37ix said: »

STR+16
DEX+15
Atk+93
Acc+52
DA+11
STP+37

Phoenix.Sehachan said: »

STR+32
DEX+30
Atk+89
Acc+33
DA+11
STP+37

Sehachan and Kin37ix sets both require 5 hits in resolution to land to be a 6 hit, and aside from +20 acc, and Seha's is easily superior. My set however, requires 2 hits in resolution for a 7 hit, have -3 delay, 5 more crit rate, 8 more DA, and stats similar to Seha's elsewhere. Biggest flaw of Seha's set is difficulty in obtaining Phos+1, so I for one would be stuck at 25% haste for a while.)

Is it worth it to 6 hit when Restraint is down? (It looks like you are stuck with 7 hit with Restraint is up because of the hands.)
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