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By Asura.Wax 2021-05-07 09:47:19  
FWIW - I prefer tagging everything in a TH set vs. setting unique blu spells that give TH trait.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2021-05-07 19:32:39  
I'll see if I can find a way to fit in TH advice, if I remember. As for the ASets thing, that's a good idea, but I don't use it myself so itll be community driven.
 
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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-05-09 16:12:21  
Rounding, is your set exactly 100, you need 102

Also possible your set may have spelling errors or improperly defined settings within luas. Just going on the one line of "it's not working" leaves many things open.
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By drakefs 2021-05-09 17:35:57  
Asura.Bluewarrior said: »
I have no idea what that even is

He is saying you may have spelled your equipment wrong in your SIRD set or that whatever logic your lua is using to equip your SIRD set is flawed.
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//gs showswaps


cast dreamflower and make sure the midcast set is your SIRD set.
 
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By Siren.Kyte 2021-05-09 17:51:45  
If you don't use addons, then you probably are just getting hit with the precast gear on.
 
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By Quetzalcoatl.Jakey 2021-05-09 18:41:29  
Asura.Bluewarrior said: »
Siren.Kyte said: »
If you don't use addons, then you probably are just getting hit with the precast gear on.

I know what you mean and that was a problem for me until I figured out you have to wait a couple seconds before you switch to a different set or it doesn't change.. in other words say I hit the macro for equipset 45 with the echo so it lets me know it is equipped.. when I do that and then immediately go for the next equipset macro with echo it lets me know in the chat log error unless I wait out the couple of seconds so there is some kind of delay it seems.

So have been making sure to give the equipset switch a couple seconds for awhile now and I have never had a problem until recently. The log clearly showed that the sird set was equipped with no error. Thinking it might have been something with lag but not so sure.

I am assuming there is no delay with the addon?
If you wait a few seconds then you have a few seconds to be hit and interrupted, sird set has to be on while you are casting not just when the spell finishes.
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By drakefs 2021-05-09 19:59:22  
Asura.Bluewarrior said: »
I am assuming there is no delay with the addon?

correct, gearswap is a lot more powerful than equipsets.

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/equipset 1 <wait 1> :this would be the precast set
/ma Dreamflower <t>
/equipset 2 <wait x> :this would be the SIRD set
/equipset 3          :this would be the set you want to end up in after casting


For the second <wait x>, x is how long it takes you to finish casting.
 
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2021-05-12 14:17:13  
I've published part 1 of the revision. It includes a few general formatting adjustments as well as changes and additions to the skillchain, ability, spell, trait, and role sections.

Keep in mind that most of these changes are intended for new/returning and midrange players. Most of it is not going to be useful or enlightening for established BLUs. The purpose of most of these revisions is to help new players to the job get into it and learn how to play it properly.

To that end, things Oraen and I still have to work on:

-Weapon section

-Armor section; still need to add some missing sets

-A general, barebones progression guide specifically for BLU. There's already a comprehensive general progression guide over on BG by Spicyryan. This would just be guidelines for when to get spells, unlock weaponskills, and a general hierarchy of events to do to start gearing up.

-Community fueled AzureSets section. Post your sets and I'll curate them.
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By Asura.Wax 2021-05-13 08:46:43  
To keep the discussions rolling - let's shift to the AzureSets to help Proth out.

These are by no means perfect as I am always looking for improvements. Here are some sets to get the discussion going.

Generic AoE cleaving setup
<aoe>
<slot01>erratic flutter</slot01>
<slot02>sheep song</slot02>
<slot03>eyes on me</slot03>
<slot04>barbed crescent</slot04>
<slot05>battery charge</slot05>
<slot06>magic fruit</slot06>
<slot07>cocoon</slot07>
<slot08>spectral floe</slot08>
<slot09>tenebral crush</slot09>
<slot10>sound blast</slot10>
<slot11>magic hammer</slot11>
<slot12>dream flower</slot12>
<slot13>whirl of rage</slot13>
<slot14>heat breath</slot14>
<slot15>subduction</slot15>
<slot16>tem. upheaval</slot16>
<slot17>barrier tusk</slot17>
<slot18>entomb</slot18>
<slot19>cursed sphere</slot19>
<slot20>delta thrust</slot20>
</aoe>

Odyssey segment farming
<odyssey>
<slot01>diffusion ray</slot01>
<slot02>entomb</slot02>
<slot03>erratic flutter</slot03>
<slot04>molting plumage</slot04>
<slot05>delta thrust</slot05>
<slot06>barrier tusk</slot06>
<slot07>barbed crescent</slot07>
<slot08>thrashing assault</slot08>
<slot09>fantod</slot09>
<slot10>white wind</slot10>
<slot11>winds of promy.</slot11>
<slot12>empty thrash</slot12>
<slot13>heavy strike</slot13>
<slot14>tenebral crush</slot14>
<slot15>dream flower</slot15>
<slot16>embalming earth</slot16>
<slot17>sudden lunge</slot17>
<slot18>occultation</slot18>
</odyssey>

Omen bosses
<omen>
<slot01>magic fruit</slot01>
<slot02>erratic flutter</slot02>
<slot03>molting plumage</slot03>
<slot04>tenebral crush</slot04>
<slot05>heavy strike</slot05>
<slot06>fantod</slot06>
<slot07>sudden lunge</slot07>
<slot08>dream flower</slot08>
<slot09>nat. meditation</slot09>
<slot10>diffusion ray</slot10>
<slot11>empty thrash</slot11>
<slot12>battery charge</slot12>
<slot13>paralyzing triad</slot13>
<slot14>sinker drill</slot14>
<slot15>embalming earth</slot15>
<slot16>yawn</slot16>
<slot17>thrashing assault</slot17>
<slot18>cocoon</slot18>
</omen>

Pure DPS - no utility
<puredps>
<slot01>empty thrash</slot01>
<slot02>barbed crescent</slot02>
<slot03>erratic flutter</slot03>
<slot04>embalming earth</slot04>
<slot05>tenebral crush</slot05>
<slot06>uppercut</slot06>
<slot07>delta thrust</slot07>
<slot08>paralyzing triad</slot08>
<slot09>sudden lunge</slot09>
<slot10>heavy strike</slot10>
<slot11>diffusion ray</slot11>
<slot12>thrashing assault</slot12>
<slot13>tail slap</slot13>
<slot14>nat. meditation</slot14>
<slot15>fantod</slot15>
<slot16>sinker drill</slot16>
<slot17>battle dance</slot17>
<slot18>sickle slash</slot18>
<slot19>cocoon</slot19>
</puredps>

Dyna - D
<dynad>
<slot01>disseverment</slot01>
<slot02>delta thrust</slot02>
<slot03>vanity dive</slot03>
<slot04>heavy strike</slot04>
<slot05>sinker drill</slot05>
<slot06>fantod</slot06>
<slot07>nat. meditation</slot07>
<slot08>tail slap</slot08>
<slot09>barbed crescent</slot09>
<slot10>sickle slash</slot10>
<slot11>thrashing assault</slot11>
<slot12>magic fruit</slot12>
<slot13>anvil lightning</slot13>
<slot14>empty thrash</slot14>
<slot15>cocoon</slot15>
<slot16>diffusion ray</slot16>
<slot17>erratic flutter</slot17>
<slot18>sudden lunge</slot18>
<slot19>dimensional death</slot19>
<slot20>frenetic rip</slot20>
</dynad>

Dyna - D Cleaving (w1+w2)
<dynadcleave>
<slot01>barbed crescent</slot01>
<slot02>sound blast</slot02>
<slot03>cocoon</slot03>
<slot04>subduction</slot04>
<slot05>silent storm</slot05>
<slot07>spectral floe</slot07>
<slot08>tenebral crush</slot08>
<slot09>erratic flutter</slot09>
<slot10>dream flower</slot10>
<slot11>occultation</slot11>
<slot12>memento mori</slot12>
<slot13>anvil lightning</slot13>
<slot14>delta thrust</slot14>
<slot15>diamondhide</slot15>
<slot16>cursed sphere</slot16>
<slot17>barrier tusk</slot17>
<slot18>entomb</slot18>
<slot19>magic hammer</slot19>
</dynadcleave>

Dyna - D Bosses
<dynadboss>
<slot01>erratic flutter</slot01>
<slot02>wind breath</slot02>
<slot03>sub-zero smash</slot03>
<slot04>bad breath</slot04>
<slot05>atra. libations</slot05>
<slot06>auroral drape</slot06>
<slot07>cocoon</slot07>
<slot08>barrier tusk</slot08>
<slot09>tenebral crush</slot09>
<slot10>blinding fulgor</slot10>
<slot11>palling salvo</slot11>
<slot12>rending deluge</slot12>
<slot13>feather tickle</slot13>
<slot14>reaving wind</slot14>
<slot15>magic fruit</slot15>
<slot17>glutinous dart</slot17>
<slot18>entomb</slot18>
</dynadboss>


Would love feedback on any of these sets...I have a few more that are really niche and haven't used for awhile. TBH - I mostly use my odyssey set for running around the world and most HTBF's (where I will sub in a few spells for magic heavy fights).

If people have better ideas let me know and I can update this post to consolidate until Proth finishes his guide.
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By fillerbunny9 2021-05-13 12:06:06  
a note on Unbridled Wisdom - it does not reset the timer on Unbridled Learning.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-05-13 16:43:35  
Make sure new DD know they don't need to wait a full minute to use Diffusion > MG. UL/UW is completely independent of Blue Magic reset delay.
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By Asura.Failaras 2021-05-14 09:34:14  
I just restarted and am looking to get my 2014 Blu more servicable, right now I'm using Nibiru Blades and really have no ability to make a RMEA for Blu, is Naegling going to be something worth getting in that case? I've heard mixed things about using that Sword on Blu. Maybe worth mentioning I don't have a linkshell or anything so I won't be doing big events with lots of Attack buffs.
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By Siren.Kyte 2021-05-14 09:43:31  
Where have you heard mixed things? Naegling's great and worth having around even with MEAs.
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By Asura.Failaras 2021-05-14 09:51:55  
Siren.Kyte said: »
Where have you heard mixed things? Naegling's great and worth having around even with MEAs.
Just some people in game have encouraged me to just pick up Tanmogayi/Colada over it because of CDC being so powerful. I noticed it's not really represnted in the guide here either, although Proth did just say he hasn't worked on weapons yet.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2021-05-14 09:54:46  
Not including it for so long is wholly on me, and is currently being rectified.

Naegling is an absolutely amazing weapon.
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By Nocki 2021-05-14 11:08:41  
Siren.Kyte said: »
even with MEAs.
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By drakefs 2021-05-14 19:08:50  
Asura.Failaras said: »
Just some people in game have encouraged me to just pick up Tanmogayi/Colada over it because of CDC being so powerful.

CDC is nice but the gear to really make it stand out is really only useful for CDC. Where as gearing for Savage Blade means your Expaicion set will be ready when you make a Tizona. CDC has its place but really only with REMAs (Almace\Zantetsuken or Tiz\Almace)

The Naegling\Kaja Sword is a REMA level weapon, especially when you pair it with a Thibron (1k TP bonus sword). Some take issue with the ACC of your offhand while using a Thibron but even with ACC issues for your offhand, Thibron is more than likely going to be a DPS gain. Th ACC issues go away eventually, properly buffed I offhand Thib for Dyna-D W3.
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By drakefs 2021-05-14 19:21:39  
Asura.Wax said: »
To keep the discussions rolling - let's shift to the AzureSets to help Proth out.

These are by no means perfect as I am always looking for improvements. Here are some sets to get the discussion going.

Samesies

Evasion
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            <odysseva>
                <slot01>empty thrash</slot01>
                <slot02>embalming earth</slot02>
                <slot03>glutinous dart</slot03>
                <slot04>dream flower</slot04>
                <slot05>magic fruit</slot05>
                <slot06>occultation</slot06>
                <slot07>delta thrust</slot07>
                <slot08>heavy strike</slot08>
                <slot09>tem. upheaval</slot09>
                <slot10>thrashing assault</slot10>
                <slot11>entomb</slot11>
                <slot12>sheep song</slot12>
                <slot13>tenebral crush</slot13>
                <slot14>sudden lunge</slot14>
                <slot15>nat. meditation</slot15>
                <slot16>barbed crescent</slot16>
                <slot17>screwdriver</slot17>
                <slot18>erratic flutter</slot18>
                <slot19>fantod</slot19>
                <slot20>barrier tusk</slot20>
            </odysseva>

DPS
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            <dps>
                <slot01>sudden lunge</slot01>
                <slot02>barbed crescent</slot02>
                <slot03>glutinous dart</slot03>
                <slot04>uppercut</slot04>
                <slot05>erratic flutter</slot05>
                <slot06>heavy strike</slot06>
                <slot07>battle dance</slot07>
                <slot08>tenebral crush</slot08>
                <slot09>frenetic rip</slot09>
                <slot10>empty thrash</slot10>
                <slot11>fantod</slot11>
                <slot12>embalming earth</slot12>
                <slot13>thrashing assault</slot13>
                <slot14>nat. meditation</slot14>
                <slot15>diffusion ray</slot15>
                <slot16>sinker drill</slot16>
                <slot17>paralyzing triad</slot17>
                <slot18>vanity dive</slot18>
                <slot19>delta thrust</slot19>
                <slot20>cocoon</slot20>
            </dps>

Super Buffed DPS
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            <puredps>
                <slot01>empty thrash</slot01>
                <slot02>barbed crescent</slot02>
                <slot03>erratic flutter</slot03>
                <slot04>embalming earth</slot04>
                <slot05>tenebral crush</slot05>
                <slot06>uppercut</slot06>
                <slot07>delta thrust</slot07>
                <slot08>paralyzing triad</slot08>
                <slot09>sudden lunge</slot09>
                <slot10>heavy strike</slot10>
                <slot11>diffusion ray</slot11>
                <slot12>thrashing assault</slot12>
                <slot13>tail slap</slot13>
                <slot14>nat. meditation</slot14>
                <slot15>fantod</slot15>
                <slot16>sinker drill</slot16>
                <slot17>battle dance</slot17>
                <slot18>sickle slash</slot18>
                <slot19>cocoon</slot19>
            </puredps>

DPS ACC
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            <acc>
                <slot01>empty thrash</slot01>
                <slot02>delta thrust</slot02>
                <slot03>embalming earth</slot03>
                <slot04>sickle slash</slot04>
                <slot05>anvil lightning</slot05>
                <slot06>disseverment</slot06>
                <slot07>sudden lunge</slot07>
                <slot08>barbed crescent</slot08>
                <slot09>heavy strike</slot09>
                <slot10>diffusion ray</slot10>
                <slot11>glutinous dart</slot11>
                <slot12>frenetic rip</slot12>
                <slot13>thrashing assault</slot13>
                <slot14>erratic flutter</slot14>
                <slot15>nat. meditation</slot15>
                <slot16>fantod</slot16>
                <slot17>dimensional death</slot17>
                <slot19>tail slap</slot19>
                <slot20>vanity dive</slot20>
            </acc>

AoE
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            <ae>
                <slot01>sound blast</slot01>
                <slot02>delta thrust</slot02>
                <slot03>dream flower</slot03>
                <slot04>sheep song</slot04>
                <slot05>memento mori</slot05>
                <slot06>entomb</slot06>
                <slot07>magic fruit</slot07>
                <slot08>tenebral crush</slot08>
                <slot09>barbed crescent</slot09>
                <slot10>cursed sphere</slot10>
                <slot11>barrier tusk</slot11>
                <slot12>spectral floe</slot12>
                <slot13>cocoon</slot13>
                <slot14>subduction</slot14>
                <slot15>erratic flutter</slot15>
                <slot16>occultation</slot16>
                <slot17>battery charge</slot17>
                <slot18>heat breath</slot18>
                <slot19>magic hammer</slot19>
                <slot20>tem. upheaval</slot20>
            </ae>

Nyzul Isle
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            <niu>
                <slot01>subduction</slot01>
                <slot02>erratic flutter</slot02>
                <slot03>embalming earth</slot03>
                <slot04>heavy strike</slot04>
                <slot05>spectral floe</slot05>
                <slot06>magic hammer</slot06>
                <slot07>cursed sphere</slot07>
                <slot08>glutinous dart</slot08>
                <slot09>empty thrash</slot09>
                <slot10>sound blast</slot10>
                <slot11>thrashing assault</slot11>
                <slot12>nat. meditation</slot12>
                <slot13>diffusion ray</slot13>
                <slot14>heat breath</slot14>
                <slot15>dream flower</slot15>
                <slot16>molting plumage</slot16>
                <slot17>magic fruit</slot17>
                <slot18>whirl of rage</slot18>
            </niu>
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By Sylph.Oraen 2021-05-15 07:24:48  
The Weapons section of the guide has received a much-needed update and sprucing up. Added a few sets to the Equipment section that could come in handy for people, as well as did some general cleaning.

If there are any additional sets or equipment that people feel would be good to include, just let me know.
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By drakefs 2021-05-15 19:56:42  
From a progression standpoint, I would suggest moving the Iris and the Colada to the beginners section. Both are obtainable as a fresh 99 in 117 sparks gear, solo, through DI. You can also purchase the materials for augmenting them through DI. I readily recommend fresh 99 players to do DI and buy the 200/800 point weapons as their first DI buys. These weapons are significant upgrades and are easier to obtain than most other options on the list. Getting these weapons first will save a lot of time and effort initially.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2021-05-15 21:30:48  
I will go ahead and make a note about DI points for both of those weapons. It's been a while since I've bothered with DI, so I forgot just how much it offers.

I don't think I'll be moving the weapons from their current placement, though. I want that to reflect their overall standing among our options.

When we get the general progression guide ironed out, I'll make sure to mention good shortcuts for acquiring gear.
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By Asura.Geriond 2021-05-16 04:43:03  
If new methods of acquisition make mid-tier options like Colada easily available to everyone regardless of resources, then it starts to completely invalidate weapons that are weaker and used to be noticeably easier to get, but are now no longer.

For example, with DI, Colada is now both obtainable solo by anyone with any Ilvl weapon at all and is better than any of the weapons in the Intermediate category (barring the Nibiru Cudgel, which serves a different niche), so I feel there's not really much reason to mention most of them anymore since it's better to skip straight to Colada.

Honestly, I think the lower half of the weapon list is too large and unfocused as it is (making it more confusing than it should be for new players), so I actually think it'd be best to get rid of the Beginner and Intermediate categories entirely (other than Nibiru Cudgel) and direct people to go straight from weapons in the Brand New tier straight to Colada. A Niche category could be created for things like Iris's Blue Magic Skill if you wanted to keep them in the guide.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2021-05-16 14:32:37  
If that's how people would prefer to handle things, then I'll make alterations.

EDIT: Weapon list has been pruned to better reflect worthwhile options.
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2021-05-22 06:24:37  
This question may have been answered somewhere but I couldn't find it with some moderate digging.

With Chain Affinity / Burst Affinity augmenting gear; Empy Head/Feet, AF Feet/Legs, when it is necessary to equip these to gain the benefit?

Must they be equipped pre-JA activation? Or simply in the spell midcast? Or both?

It's simple enough to make a precast for the JA, but if its both I'm not sure how I'd adjust my lua to detect the buff is active and overwrite my midcast set w/ the JA augmenting piece.

I know its super marginal but if anyone can point me to the correct answer I'd appreciate it.
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