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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-12-20 06:45:25  
Did anyone else get a picture of Paul for Obama besides me? Another little odd thing.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-12-20 06:47:05  
Never mind, I did it again and it didn't happen. Must of been a glitch...
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By zahrah 2011-12-20 09:15:07  
Slip, oh God! If Perry remains governor of TX after this I'm going to be putting in my resume for jobs out of this state after grad school. (I already was on the verge earlier this year, but that was for personal crap.) Jumping ship might be the only solution.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-12-20 09:35:28  
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Slip, oh God! If Perry remains governor of TX after this I'm going to be putting in my resume for jobs out of this state after grad school. (I already was on the verge earlier this year, but that was for personal crap.) Jumping ship might be the only solution.
30 is meh.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-12-20 09:38:30  
Been hearing an earful from Ron Paul supporters claiming their candidate isn't get a fair shake on TV and that the media wants him to lose because he isn't in corporate pockets.

I'd love to see him win Iowa just to see the anchors squirm.
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By Haist 2011-12-21 17:39:11  
Ron Paul. He's concrete on his beliefs and won't sway to get your vote. His foreign policy needs some work but remember he can't do anything to extreme due to checks and balances. I love his ideas of minimizing federal government power and giving back the power back to the states so each state has different laws so you pick and choose the state that best suits your beliefs and practice; which was a keystone of America's early infrastructure. Letting Iran obtain nuclear weapons seems extreme since Ahmadinejad vowed to wipe Israel off the map but that can be settled through mutual assurance and everyone can feel protected and have the false feeling of being a "superpower".
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-12-21 19:41:53  
Haist said: »
Ron Paul. He's concrete on his beliefs and won't sway to get your vote. His foreign policy needs some work but remember he can't do anything to extreme due to checks and balances. I love his ideas of minimizing federal government power and giving back the power back to the states so each state has different laws so you pick and choose the state that best suits your beliefs and practice; which was a keystone of America's early infrastructure. Letting Iran obtain nuclear weapons seems extreme since Ahmadinejad vowed to wipe Israel off the map but that can be settled through mutual assurance and everyone can feel protected and have the false feeling of being a "superpower".

yeah a keystone pre 1789, it didn't work, you need a strong central government...
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2011-12-21 19:50:24  
Ron Paul but it'll never happen probably... If only...
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By Jadi 2011-12-21 19:54:24  
I'm voting for Paul because the media tells me not to. ~.^
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By Lakshmi.Jesi 2011-12-21 20:20:50  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Haist said: »
Ron Paul. He's concrete on his beliefs and won't sway to get your vote. His foreign policy needs some work but remember he can't do anything to extreme due to checks and balances. I love his ideas of minimizing federal government power and giving back the power back to the states so each state has different laws so you pick and choose the state that best suits your beliefs and practice; which was a keystone of America's early infrastructure. Letting Iran obtain nuclear weapons seems extreme since Ahmadinejad vowed to wipe Israel off the map but that can be settled through mutual assurance and everyone can feel protected and have the false feeling of being a "superpower".

yeah a keystone pre 1789, it didn't work, you need a strong central government...

The federal government isn't strong, it's ridiculously overbearing.

So I guess you don't support the states rights to choose on issues like medical marijuana and gay marriage?

Yeah, we should really leave those things up to the federal government where nothing gets done. That is brilliant.

Each state is different and it's people each have different needs. Plus it divides power up so it's not just a small amount of people making the laws for everyone in the country.
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By Ragnarok.Ninurta 2011-12-21 20:22:45  
Jon Huntsman; Ron Paul would be a consolation second. Regardless, either getting the nomination is kind of far fetched so I'll be throwing my vote against Obama, not for anyone.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-12-21 21:18:08  
Lakshmi.Jesi said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Haist said: »
Ron Paul. He's concrete on his beliefs and won't sway to get your vote. His foreign policy needs some work but remember he can't do anything to extreme due to checks and balances. I love his ideas of minimizing federal government power and giving back the power back to the states so each state has different laws so you pick and choose the state that best suits your beliefs and practice; which was a keystone of America's early infrastructure. Letting Iran obtain nuclear weapons seems extreme since Ahmadinejad vowed to wipe Israel off the map but that can be settled through mutual assurance and everyone can feel protected and have the false feeling of being a "superpower".

yeah a keystone pre 1789, it didn't work, you need a strong central government...

The federal government isn't strong, it's ridiculously overbearing.

So I guess you don't support the states rights to choose on issues like medical marijuana and gay marriage?

Yeah, we should really leave those things up to the federal government where nothing gets done. That is brilliant.

Each state is different and it's people each have different needs. Plus it divides power up so it's not just a small amount of people making the laws for everyone in the country.

both of those issues the federal government needs to stop sidestepping and dealing with: quite frankly neither should be an issue, 1. let anyone marry another human being 2. marijuana needs to be legalized entirely.

the entire government, local, state, and federal levels need overhauls, fat needs trimmed and other sections need to be bigger and taxes need raised, while some sections need cut, but nobody in the government is pushing for this, nor are the people with power (money).

there's only a few parts of the government that are "overbearing" and quite frankly both the democrats and republicans as a whole support these policies that are overbearing.
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By Asura.Floorboss 2011-12-21 21:19:11  
What we need to do is get everyone out of congress boot them all out and put people that are not greedy and that has common sence in there
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-12-21 21:22:20  
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What we need to do is get everyone out of congress boot them all out and put people that are not greedy and that has common sence in there

greed is a fundamental flaw of human nature, it's the main issue with both capitalism and socialism

also it's common sense, try to have enough of it to spell check...
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By Asura.Floorboss 2011-12-21 21:46:20  
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Floorboss said: »
What we need to do is get everyone out of congress boot them all out and put people that are not greedy and that has common sence in there

greed is a fundamental flaw of human nature, it's the main issue with both capitalism and socialism

also it's common sense, try to have enough of it to spell check...


No Greed is stupidness. They make rich richer and the working person poorer. Oooo spell check whats that. Try typing in the dark. If I misspell a word so what. What r u me teacher lol. We need a change and the only way to make it fair is to get rid of those *** hats in washington and put people that would make laws for the working people and not take advantage of them. Also scrw those people of there recall all our troops and rebuild the USA instead we go to was lose couple hundred thousand troops blow ***up then fix it there, then blow it up again. It was the goverment that was involved with the twin towers why you think the war lasted this long. They had to have a reason to stay in war. Some people here are not stupid.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-12-21 22:03:33  
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Been hearing an earful from Ron Paul supporters claiming their candidate isn't get a fair shake on TV and that the media wants him to lose because he isn't in corporate pockets.

I'd love to see him win Iowa just to see the anchors squirm.

The pundits have already prepared for that scenario. If you spend about 2hrs watching Fox News you'll see them state that if Ron Paul wins Iowa, it's just a fluke and doesn't mean anything. Direct Quote: "Iowa votes for Huckabees, not presidents." Never mind the fact that those same people said that if Romney wins Iowa, it would be a strong determining factor that he would be the Republican candidate for 2012 vs. Obama.

This whole thing just really gets under my skin. I love my grandmother to death, but she spends most of her day watching Fox News. As such, I can recall her opinion on politics a couple of months ago...

Grandma: "Rick Perry looks like a strong candidate, what do you think grandson?"
Me: "I don't know, he seems like he doesn't have the constituents' voice in mind. Ron Paul has gotten more donations from military personnel than all of the other candidates put together."
Grandma: "Perry seems like he'd make a president."

Shortly thereafter, her opinion changed as such:

Grandma: "So, what do you think of that Cain fellow? He seems like he knows how to run a business."
Me: "I think I'm going to vote for Ron Paul. He's been consistent on his points for a long time."

About a month later when Fox News started hyping up Gingrich due to Cain's withdraw:

Grandma: "Gingrich sure seems like a smart man. I wouldn't mind him being a president, he seems like he could debate Obama really well." (If you've seen Fox News you'd know that this was one of the things they hyped about Gingrich - his ability to debate Obama)
Me: "Yeah, that's one of the things I like about Ron Paul. He's been saying the same thing since 1988 so he's not at a loss of words so I think he could debate Obama well."
Grandma: "Yeah, Gingrich is really smart."

Finally, since the final debate, Fox News is focused on their target candidate from the start, Romney:

Grandma: "Romney is really presidential looking!"
Me: "He doesn't seem like he's much of a change from Obama. I mean, didn't they talk about his Health Care plan being Obamney Care? He doesn't seem like a very good conservative if you ask me."
Grandma: "I just don't know how I feel about Ron Paul's foreign policy."
*news flash about Kim Jong Il dying*
Grandma: "That's awful, do you think they'll try to bomb us?"
Me: "I don't think they have the rocketry to reach us here in America, they may attack South Korea."
Grandma: "I heard they could reach Israel."
Me: "Huh? North Korea?"
Grandma: "Yeah, I heard they were going to attack Israel."
Me: "No, grandma, you're mixing up the talk about Iran with the talk about North Korea... Now back to Ron Paul's foreign policy..."

If you've been following Fox News, you'd have noticed the "Round Robin" that's been going on. From the big hype of Perry to Herman Cain to Gingrich to now Romney. It's sad to see someone like my grandmother who is listening to the "experts' opinion" on the matter - and believing every word - waiting for them to tell her who to vote for. A vote is the only true voice we have and it's disgusting to watch people led to the candidate of Fox News' choice.

She will be voting in the Republican primary. And she will vote for whomever Fox News decides for her to vote for.
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By Odin.Liela 2011-12-21 22:13:42  
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Don't know who to vote for?
Try the Match-O-Matic

I must be terribly fussy politically. For a few of those questions, they didn't have an answer that I 'approved' of. For example, the 'how do you feel about gay marriage' question. The choices were:
ban it
leave it up to the state
I only support civil unions, or
my thoughts are evolving but I guess I sort of support it.

And my actual feelings on it are that gays are *gasp* people too and deserve the same *gasp* rights as everyone else. This isn't an 'evolving' opinion. This isn't an 'oh I guess so' opinion.

I was fussy on a couple other ones, too. /blush. But in a political spectrum test (here: http://www.politicalcompass.org/test ) I came up as this:



Much too fussy to ever agree with one single candidate, I'm afraid. Any election I vote in (in the near future anyways) I think is going to come down to me voting for someone who's sorta kinda closish to what I think, or else me voting just to vote against someone. Such as, at this point I would go vote just to vote against Perry after that atrocious video he made. That doesn't mean I'd agree with his opponent, it's just that I'd rather have a drunken chihuahua for a president than him at this point. ;;
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-12-22 00:04:23  
Asura.Floorboss said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Floorboss said: »
What we need to do is get everyone out of congress boot them all out and put people that are not greedy and that has common sence in there

greed is a fundamental flaw of human nature, it's the main issue with both capitalism and socialism

also it's common sense, try to have enough of it to spell check...


No Greed is stupidness. They make rich richer and the working person poorer. Oooo spell check whats that. Try typing in the dark. If I misspell a word so what. What r u me teacher lol. We need a change and the only way to make it fair is to get rid of those *** hats in washington and put people that would make laws for the working people and not take advantage of them. Also scrw those people of there recall all our troops and rebuild the USA instead we go to was lose couple hundred thousand troops blow ***up then fix it there, then blow it up again. It was the goverment that was involved with the twin towers why you think the war lasted this long. They had to have a reason to stay in war. Some people here are not stupid.

I type in the dark all the time, I know where all my keys are by feel, still one who is talking about idiots in politics shouldn't say sence, since it's not even a word and you mean sense.

Greed is a part of human nature, it's a part that we have to adjust for, and plan for if we ever want to evolve as a nation.

oh now into conspiracies, /facepalm...
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By slipispsycho 2011-12-22 00:10:42  
Asura.Floorboss said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Floorboss said: »
What we need to do is get everyone out of congress boot them all out and put people that are not greedy and that has common sence in there

greed is a fundamental flaw of human nature, it's the main issue with both capitalism and socialism

also it's common sense, try to have enough of it to spell check...


No Greed is stupidness. They make rich richer and the working person poorer. Oooo spell check whats that. Try typing in the dark. If I misspell a word so what. What r u me teacher lol. We need a change and the only way to make it fair is to get rid of those *** hats in washington and put people that would make laws for the working people and not take advantage of them. Also scrw those people of there recall all our troops and rebuild the USA instead we go to was lose couple hundred thousand troops blow ***up then fix it there, then blow it up again. It was the goverment that was involved with the twin towers why you think the war lasted this long. They had to have a reason to stay in war. Some people here are not stupid.
Power and money often corrupts even the most noble of intentions. I don't act like they aren't doing a terrible job, but I don't act as if just anyone could do it better.. Yes we need a change, but good luck with actually getting it..

You put a bunch of new, fresh people in power that are trying to better things for the working man, it won't be long before most forgot why they went into office to begin with, or where they came from..

You don't need a lot of people concerned with the working class, you need a lot of people concerned with the working class who also have strong wills and don't forget their roots or promises.. And as I said, good luck getting that.
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By Jadi 2011-12-24 08:50:00  
This is not a political forum but I must say to you all..

The World Economy is collapsing before our eyes.
We sit now on the very brink of World War III.
The people are becoming Debt Slaves to world bankers.
The right wing solution is not Freedom it's Fascism.
The left wing solution is not Freedom it's Socialism.
Armed soldiers in America can arrest a man today forever without trial.
Our media and corporations are corrupt and compliant in this.

We have one man standing against this and we have one chance to save the world. That imperfect man is Ron Paul. So you need to do whatever it takes to make sure Paul win's. If that means joining the Republican party you do it. If that means going to your caucus you go. If that means knocking on your neighbors door to spread the word, you do it. We have to get involved NOW before the world is thrust into darkness and tyranny.

History is full of candidates who "Couldn't win" but did. This is it people. Get on the bandwagon and do what you need to do, go to http://www.dailypaul.com and find out how you can help.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Gallus 2011-12-24 09:34:46  
Odin.Liela said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Don't know who to vote for?
Try the Match-O-Matic

I must be terribly fussy politically. For a few of those questions, they didn't have an answer that I 'approved' of. For example, the 'how do you feel about gay marriage' question. The choices were:
ban it
leave it up to the state
I only support civil unions, or
my thoughts are evolving but I guess I sort of support it.

And my actual feelings on it are that gays are *gasp* people too and deserve the same *gasp* rights as everyone else. This isn't an 'evolving' opinion. This isn't an 'oh I guess so' opinion.

Yeah, I just encountered that also on the ABC "Quiz". I ended up closing the page without finishing it. I've always found ABC to come off as rather biased. I gave them the benefit of the doubt wasting my time looking at the quiz and they continued to support my feelings.
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By Shiva.Narkash 2011-12-24 09:57:12  
I'm sorry, I'm a right wing conservative...not a republican or a democrat. I am just a conservative....and I think Ron Paul is a moron. His debates are just atrocious, he's Obama #2 in that he's apologizing for us being American. Also, we don't need another idiot in office for a god damn hat trick.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-12-24 10:36:59  
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I'm sorry, I'm a right wing conservative...not a republican or a democrat. I am just a conservative....and I think Ron Paul is a moron. His debates are just atrocious, he's Obama #2 in that he's apologizing for us being American. Also, we don't need another idiot in office for a god damn hat trick.

It's not apologizing for being American, it's apologizing for policing the world like we own it. He has a strong belief in the core principles America was founded on, the Constitution, not the huge governmental mess that it is today.

Most, if not all, of the other Republican candidates are neoconservatives, so I'm not sure why a self-proclaimed Conservative(not Republican) like you is so against one of the only true Conservative candidates.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-12-24 10:43:25  
I don't see how Paul's debating skills are atrocious when comapared to Perry, Cain or flip-flopping Romney. He's been quite mid-tier with Huntsman or Gingrich giving the most clear answers representing what they believe in.

Paul has some racist statements he hasn't quite explained away properly which is what I see few anchors following up on. Coupled with the conspiracy theories, he's looking like he'd implode as a front-runner.
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By Fenrir.Moldtech 2011-12-24 10:47:46  
Obama


Edit: and the Match-O-Matic said so too. Mitt Romney and Ron Paul were just runner-ups.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2011-12-24 14:00:34  
I want a legally binding "None of the above" vote.

If "None of the above" gets a plurality they would have to do it again with EVERYONE who made it as far as the primaries, let alone into the general election, ineligible to run.

Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Been hearing an earful from Ron Paul supporters claiming their candidate isn't get a fair shake on TV and that the media wants him to lose because he isn't in corporate pockets.

There is a lot of truth in that.

Unfortunately everyone else is.
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By Jadi 2011-12-24 15:31:26  
Shiva.Narkash said: »
I'm sorry, I'm a right wing conservative...not a republican or a democrat. I am just a conservative....and I think Ron Paul is a moron. His debates are just atrocious, he's Obama #2 in that he's apologizing for us being American. Also, we don't need another idiot in office for a god damn hat trick.

Why don't you talk about it with me? If you think that RON PAUL of all people is anything like Obama, you are one of the most confused people on planet earth and know very little about Paul except (probably) what you heard on talk radio. I offer you to take a chance and re-learn.. there is a reason that Republicans are supporting him in droves, there is a reason he gets more contributions from the military than all the other candidates combed. The troops want him to be their commander in chief because they know he wont send them to war unless there is a good reason.

I would be happy to help you understand better if you so desire.. Ron Paul has been more conservative than Ronald Reagan on many issues. One of the areas where Paul is to the right of Reagan is that he was the only Republican congressman who did not condemn Israel for bombing Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981. Paul defended Israel's right to defend themselves without permission from the US Government.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-12-28 13:08:22  
Ron Paul

Interesting little Ron Paul Article.

I can get behind a few of those things but some are a bit too much for me personally.
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