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 Sylph.Kiaru
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 11:30:53  
Fenrir.Niniann said:
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yeah I've been doing DNC like since the week WoTG came out, i'm not a Abyssea nub bandwagon jumper I can assure you :P

I'm more of a solo play DNC

Well I'm more of a group-heal DNC, so I do care. They need to fix it, but they're obviously not going to.
They're not going to fix DNC, their new design for DNC isn't a support healer hybrid, it's some weird solo specialist and DD. Very boring and bland imo, it's why my DNC won't ever get 90/99.........sigh I loved the job so much at 75 it makes me sad. I would play FF14 thinking about how fun/awesome my DNC was wishing it existed in FF14.
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By Bahamut.Sakurawr 2011-08-15 11:31:51  
Except for the fact DNC has Fan Dance, which is specially for tanking.
Fan + Eva set + DNC dot + Divine Waltz II spam and I can firmly keep hate off a Kannagi NIN.
(Our Vere MNK is MIA most of the time so can't really do a test v that)
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-08-15 11:33:46  
At 75 cap i was able to cure my entire pty fine as long as they didnt do something completely reckless. Sometimes wouldn't even need a healer but only for haste.
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By Norondor 2011-08-15 11:37:55  
Bahamut.Sakurawr said:
Except for the fact DNC has Fan Dance, which is specially for tanking.
Fan + Eva set + DNC dot + Divine Waltz II spam and I can firmly keep hate off a Kannagi NIN.
(Our Vere MNK is MIA most of the time so can't really do a test v that)

yet we still provide no red/yellow/blue/TH and thf/nin/mnk/whatever do just as well despite the lack of fan dance, and indeed are just as good solo with CW3

funny old world
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 11:39:41  
Norondor said:
Bahamut.Sakurawr said:
Except for the fact DNC has Fan Dance, which is specially for tanking.
Fan + Eva set + DNC dot + Divine Waltz II spam and I can firmly keep hate off a Kannagi NIN.
(Our Vere MNK is MIA most of the time so can't really do a test v that)

yet we still provide no red/yellow/blue/TH and thf/nin/mnk/whatever do just as well despite the lack of fan dance, and indeed are just as good solo with CW3

funny old world
Yeah, nothing is hard enough to warrant fan dance, plus those jobs have their own tricks(more shadows, more evasion, counter, high hp, etc).

The sub haste samba and best waltz thing REALLY kills the entire job for me.

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At 75 cap i was able to cure my entire pty fine as long as they didnt do something completely reckless. Sometimes wouldn't even need a healer but only for haste.

I still always liked a back up healer, just in case things got out of control, and yeah for haste. But as far as I was concerned, my healer could /nin and go to town DDing RDM/NIN or WHM/NIN lol.
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By Bahamut.Sakurawr 2011-08-15 11:39:42  
Norondor said:
Bahamut.Sakurawr said:
Except for the fact DNC has Fan Dance, which is specially for tanking.
Fan + Eva set + DNC dot + Divine Waltz II spam and I can firmly keep hate off a Kannagi NIN.
(Our Vere MNK is MIA most of the time so can't really do a test v that)

yet we still provide no red/yellow/blue/TH and thf/nin/mnk/whatever do just as well despite the lack of fan dance, and indeed are just as good solo with CW3

funny old world
Well, THF provides just as little in terms of red/blue/yellow.
Dagger WS for blue, Dagger for red, /Nin for yellows.
More than 0, if little at that.
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2011-08-15 11:40:53  
Bahamut.Sakurawr said:
Norondor said:
Bahamut.Sakurawr said:
Except for the fact DNC has Fan Dance, which is specially for tanking.
Fan + Eva set + DNC dot + Divine Waltz II spam and I can firmly keep hate off a Kannagi NIN.
(Our Vere MNK is MIA most of the time so can't really do a test v that)

yet we still provide no red/yellow/blue/TH and thf/nin/mnk/whatever do just as well despite the lack of fan dance, and indeed are just as good solo with CW3

funny old world
Well, THF provides just as little in terms of red/blue/yellow.
Dagger WS for blue, Dagger for red, /Nin for yellows.
More than 0, if little at that.
TH :|
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By Bahamut.Sakurawr 2011-08-15 11:41:33  
Sylph.Kiaru said:
Norondor said:
Bahamut.Sakurawr said:
Except for the fact DNC has Fan Dance, which is specially for tanking.
Fan + Eva set + DNC dot + Divine Waltz II spam and I can firmly keep hate off a Kannagi NIN.
(Our Vere MNK is MIA most of the time so can't really do a test v that)

yet we still provide no red/yellow/blue/TH and thf/nin/mnk/whatever do just as well despite the lack of fan dance, and indeed are just as good solo with CW3

funny old world
Yeah, nothing is hard enough to warrant fan dance, plus those jobs have their own tricks(more shadows, more evasion, counter, high hp, etc).

The sub haste samba and best waltz thing REALLY kills the entire job for me.
You eat Pantokrator's HF and see if you say the same afterwards.
Fan does ALOT when you're actually a tank.
How do you know anyway, your DNC isn't even 90, lol.
Also, fan gives +15 emnity! /whoosh.
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By Alexander.Gib 2011-08-15 11:42:14  
Fenrir.Niniann said:
Shiva.Gib said:
yeah I've been doing DNC like since the week WoTG came out, i'm not a Abyssea nub bandwagon jumper I can assure you :P

I'm more of a solo play DNC

Well I'm more of a group-heal DNC, so I do care. They need to fix it, but they're obviously not going to.
and I'm saying you shouldn't be using the word 'Fix' it's not broken :P
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By Bahamut.Sakurawr 2011-08-15 11:42:53  
Bahamut.Aeronis said:
Bahamut.Sakurawr said:
Norondor said:
Bahamut.Sakurawr said:
Except for the fact DNC has Fan Dance, which is specially for tanking.
Fan + Eva set + DNC dot + Divine Waltz II spam and I can firmly keep hate off a Kannagi NIN.
(Our Vere MNK is MIA most of the time so can't really do a test v that)

yet we still provide no red/yellow/blue/TH and thf/nin/mnk/whatever do just as well despite the lack of fan dance, and indeed are just as good solo with CW3

funny old world
Well, THF provides just as little in terms of red/blue/yellow.
Dagger WS for blue, Dagger for red, /Nin for yellows.
More than 0, if little at that.
TH :|
I was commenting blue/red/yellow, I didn't argue that fact D:
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 11:43:40  
I really don't want to argue it, please drop it.
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By Asura.Xenophire 2011-08-15 11:44:38  
Sylph.Kiaru said:
I really don't want to argue it, please drop it.
You seemed pretty fond to argue with us in the RDM thread. Just sayin'.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-08-15 11:45:32  
Bahamut.Sakurawr said:
You eat Pantokrator's HF and see if you say the same afterwards.
Fan does ALOT when you're actually a tank.
How do you know anyway, your DNC isn't even 90, lol.
Also, fan gives +15 emnity! /whoosh.
Fanatic's Drink and/or not triggering it to begin with gogo.

Also he's really not that accurate, he just has a high counter rate.

MUST HAVE JOB TO KNOW HOW IT WORKS

+15 enmity matters a whole lot when you cap hate after the first 30 seconds of DDing anyway amirite?
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By Bahamut.Sakurawr 2011-08-15 11:45:44  
Asura.Xenophire said:
Sylph.Kiaru said:
I really don't want to argue it, please drop it.
You seemed pretty fond to argue with us in the RDM thread. Just sayin'.
lol ^
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By Norondor 2011-08-15 11:46:24  
+15 enmity from fan dance barely offsets the lack of damage from haste samba, and that's without even counting bonus double attack from saber dance. it's Just Not That Good except to eat throat stabs. NOTABLY: other tanks can still tank throat stabbers, and have the advantage of being wildly better than dancers.

it's not like anyone came to the dancer forum for dancers to read what the devs have to say about dancer changes specifically because we want to talk ***on dancers. these are the issues we currently face and, apparently, aren't being addressed (... or at least, aren't being discussed, because the devs need to play slow-pitch and point out that an ability that makes your next WS free on a 10 second cooldown would be too powerful)
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By Bahamut.Sakurawr 2011-08-15 11:46:53  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Bahamut.Sakurawr said:
You eat Pantokrator's HF and see if you say the same afterwards.
Fan does ALOT when you're actually a tank.
How do you know anyway, your DNC isn't even 90, lol.
Also, fan gives +15 emnity! /whoosh.
Fanatic's Drink and/or not triggering it to begin with gogo.

Also he's really not that accurate, he just has a high counter rate.

MUST HAVE JOB TO KNOW HOW IT WORKS

+15 enmity matters a whole lot when you cap hate after the first 30 seconds of DDing anyway amirite?
I'm not the only person on it lol, I'm never the one to trigger HF.
And he counters me maybe 3 times at fight? Mainly on 4 legs not 2.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-08-15 11:47:21  
Norondor said:
+15 enmity from fan dance doesn't offsets the lack of damage from haste samba,
fixed, it's not even close
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 11:48:08  
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+15 enmity from fan dance barely offsets the lack of damage from haste samba, and that's without even counting bonus double attack from saber dance. it's Just Not That Good except to eat throat stabs. NOTABLY: other tanks can still tank throat stabbers, and have the advantage of being wildly better than dancers.

it's not like anyone came to the dancer forum for dancers to read what the devs have to say about dancer changes specifically because we want to talk ***on dancers. these are the issues we currently face and, apparently, aren't being addressed (... or at least, aren't being discussed, because the devs need to play slow-pitch and point out that an ability that makes your next WS free on a 10 second cooldown would be too powerful)

Seriously, why do they answer such STUPID questions?!?!?!?

Every job they've visited so far has gotten nothing but the worst questions ever answered, are they trolling us?
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2011-08-15 11:48:31  
Sylph.Kiaru said:
I really don't want to argue it, please drop it.
If you came in to a job specific thread and didn't think there would be debate, you thought wrong :|
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By Norondor 2011-08-15 11:49:51  
well i was assuming only +26% gear from haste and no DW and only assuming white damage, so yeah, functionally it's actually much worse.
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By Bahamut.Sakurawr 2011-08-15 11:50:32  
Norondor said:
+15 enmity from fan dance barely offsets the lack of damage from haste samba, and that's without even counting bonus double attack from saber dance. it's Just Not That Good except to eat throat stabs. NOTABLY: other tanks can still tank throat stabbers, and have the advantage of being wildly better than dancers.

it's not like anyone came to the dancer forum for dancers to read what the devs have to say about dancer changes specifically because we want to talk ***on dancers. these are the issues we currently face and, apparently, aren't being addressed (... or at least, aren't being discussed, because the devs need to play slow-pitch and point out that an ability that makes your next WS free on a 10 second cooldown would be too powerful)
They do need to sort out what they're doing with the job, just seems random atm.
Also fight Vadleay (sp?, that ladybug in Altepa), he munches all but PDT bst pets and DNC as Spiral Burst does a bloody ton and pierces shadows. :(
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By Phoenix.Brixy 2011-08-15 11:51:39  
I guarantee if they gave /nin Yonin and Innin the nins would be complaining just as much as dncs are that everyone can have haste samba, a fairly decent cure and they even gave /dnc violent flourish...
Why do some /jobs get nurfed while others dont?
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By Norondor 2011-08-15 11:51:52  
Sylph.Kiaru said:

Seriously, why do they answer such STUPID questions?!?!?!?

Every job they've visited so far has gotten nothing but the worst questions ever answered, are they trolling us?

Considering that the job manifestos were really stupid anyway, i'm going to have to make myself sad and say "no, they are not trolling us. We're dealing with a novice dev team taking over a 9-year-old game."

(I guess a more charitable interpretation would be that they are just not that used to the idea of actually talking to players yet and there's a lot of growing up they'll have to do!)
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By Shiva.Gib 2011-08-15 11:52:06  
I do think it's though "DNC isn't like a WHM Q.Q"

I mean if you want to be a heavy duty main healer, level WHM, get over it
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2011-08-15 11:54:45  
Phoenix.Brixy said:
I guarantee if they gave /nin Yonin and Innin the nins would be complaining just as much as dncs are that everyone can have haste samba, a fairly decent cure and they even gave /dnc violent flourish...
Why do some /jobs get nurfed while others dont?
Why would we be complaining that others are getting 5% less haste and a gimp sub?
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 11:54:51  
SCH suffers from the exact same things DNC does, /SCH gives you access to accession and manifestation, the 2 main things that made SCH SCH and made SCH unique at 75 <_< They really need to give us new unique ideas 95-99.
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By Norondor 2011-08-15 11:55:15  
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I do think it's though "DNC isn't like a WHM Q.Q"

I mean if you want to be a heavy duty main healer, level WHM, get over it

from all dancers who actually liked the job before abyssea: please go away

Phoenix.Brixy said:
I guarantee if they gave /nin Yonin and Innin the nins would be complaining just as much as dncs are that everyone can have haste samba, a fairly decent cure and they even gave /dnc violent flourish...
Why do some /jobs get nurfed while others dont?

that's the really annoying question: if other jobs didn't get CW3 and Haste Samba from /dnc, um, what would they be getting, exactly?

putting haste samba and CW3 above level 49 is clearly not a solution either, buuuuut i suspect what we can look forward to is another flourishIII that does something stupid like 1tp regain for 5FM
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-08-15 11:57:09  
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said:
dnc really doesn't need anything imo.

Death Flourish, AoE instant reraise-III, AoE party invincibility, innate caped crit rate and crit dmg, am I missing anything?

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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-08-15 12:00:21  
This article is just as useless as the pld one, what is SE doin ~.~
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By Shiva.Gib 2011-08-15 12:03:46  
Norondor said:
Shiva.Gib said:
I do think it's though "DNC isn't like a WHM Q.Q"

I mean if you want to be a heavy duty main healer, level WHM, get over it

from all dancers who actually liked the job before abyssea: please go away

Again, I can assure you I was 75 DNC before you were even humoring leveling the job, and I solo'ed a good chunk of it, and I'm sure I'm way more versatile of a DNC then you. So yeah, about that.
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