Atma Choices

BBB, silly question is silly!! we're getting you durinn :P

dont mention turul to him.. he'll want us to kill it and we have a vendetta against that amphitere

20% from Saber Dance, 5% from Brutal, 5% from Twilight/Atheling, 3% from Epona's = 33%

Also, I get GH winning by 2.7% over Omnipotence including the set bonus (3% for GH and 5% for Omni).

I don't get Auric offhand being worth using even when using Omnipotence/Nusku's. If you think about it, this makes sense. Auric + anything else loses about 20 delay from its 5% Dual Wield. Auric minus 20 delay is D39, 181 delay. Fusetto +2 is D40, 186 delay, and gives 15 STP. Very similar DPS and higher WS frequency (less TP lost to dual wield, more TP gained from STP) with the Fusetto +2.

I get AoA being 4% better than Dark Depths in the same situation, which means Omnipotence is a little less than 1% better than Dark Depths.

edit: i screwed up, i had GH setup wearing terpsichore on accident and over looked it. i get .68% weaker than GH now.


also i think you are looking at dual wield as a static change in attack speed, once over 50% dual wield the STP fusetto is vastly inferior to auric dagger.

Ah yeah. Also, I keep doing comparisons with Twashtar main hand, while you probably use the Daka+2 mainhand. The delay difference changes where we sit relative to TP/hit tiers. GH wins over an Omni build by about 2% in my simulation now, while DD loses by 3%.

that will change eventually..... i litterally have stages 85 and 90 done, but i have 0 glavoid shells....

You can do it~! Glavoid trials are annoying, but the associated NMs are pretty easy these days. You just need to take a few friends and grind it out.

I think Twashtar is going to be very good outside Abyssea. 15 DEX is really going to help with dDEX. That said, I think we're going to be killing ourselves for Attack outside Abyssea.

that's why you sub war for just about everything outside, save the ones that can kill you with magic. but yeah you are right unless im trying to solo something outside i usually just use my rng.

but yeah we're finishing up a polearm for another ls member then it's my turn to work on my twashtar.

Minkin Monstrosity is what I believe what you are looking for.

I could be going the wrong way with this, but I normally use:
Razed Ruins
Sea Daughter
Apoc

If I'm tanking I switch Sea Daughter with C&D

I know that the 13.3% slow rather hinders dnc but the 5tp/tick is rather nice. Although I'm unsure which weighs more...the slow or the tp gain....

Advice?

For DDing? Ditch Sea Daughter FAST. If your LS has you afking off on the side tossing Waltzes, sure then use it.

Atma of the Dark Depths gives almost as much evasion as Atma of Cloak and Dagger, and it gives 20% Crit rate. I would never use Atma of Cloak and Dagger.

Apoc is fighting with Sanguine Scythe and Gnarled Horn as our third Atma. If you're worried about your evasion, use Gnarled Horn instead.

Let's assume combined delay of 391 (Daka/Twilight) and 26% gear Haste.
43% dual wield from trait/AF3 body/ear + Suppa (possibly more if +2 body or other sources idc).
*I am going to round things up (or down) by default cos I can't be bothered to give an exact value.
*I am not including store tp or multi-attack due to laziness.
*I am not going to factor in the 95% acc cap due to laziness and instead go with 100%

That gives a Combined delay 223, single hit delay of 112, giving I believe 4.4tp/hit.

8.8tp per attack round, 12 rounds needed to reach 100tp (in reality this will likely be 10-11 due to remaining TP from WS)

35 rounds to reach 300tp.
25.5% haste = attack round delay of 167 = 2.783 seconds, 97.405s to reach 300tp

12.7% haste = attack round delay of 194.679 = 3.245 seconds, 113.56s to reach 300tp.

It is almost exactly 5 attack rounds slower to 300tp or 44tp. but 160tp will have been gained in 97s from the Atma. Essentially meaning for every 300tp you had to play with without the Atma, you would now have 416.

However, let's now factor in Haste spell and Samba (25%)

50.5% Haste = attack round delay of 110 = 1.84 seconds, 64.4s to reach 300tp

37.7% haste = attack round delay of 138.93 = 2.32 seconds, 81s to reach 300tp.

Only 27.7 Attack rounds take place with the Atma rendering you 55tp short and only 105 to make up for it. So roughly 50 more TP to play with in the same time scale.

The Additional TP continues to decrease the more Haste you add at the cost of less attack rounds. Also while I did not factor it in, multi-attack rounds will quite probably render that additional 50tp lower or even negated if you went with triple attack Atmas/weapons.
Personally I would say the loss in DPS from 14 hits per 300tp is definitely NOT worth ~+17tp/100tp to play with for curing or WS purposes. Even if you over stack gear haste to try to compensate (I am not sure if this works even), I do not think there is any purpose beside non-melee situations for this Atma.

My maths is almost certainly inaccurate, but is close enough to make the point I think

9/10 in abyssea (since i wont be the only blink job there in most cases) yea i'm just chillin throwin waltz out. Dark Depth...isn't that the salvage one? if so im in trouble lol

But from a purely back line perspective using SD/MM/Bushin or something equivalent I can understand it's use as a pseudo WHM position (Bushin gives static MP boost rather than %, I can usually get over 800mp from bushin/cruor/gear on melee/whm if needed).

Yeah, it's the Salvage one. If you're playing a "waltz once in a while" role, then Sea Daughter is probably fine. If you're /NIN, you could consider using VV too, or perhaps a staff and Sundering Slash. You can get 10 TP/tick if you really want to.

When I'm DD'n I replace Sea Daughter with VV....Idk kinda like that a lil better then GH but idk as far as on paper which is better

On paper, GH crushes it mercilessly.

Would Sanguine Scythe be better then either GH or VV in DD standpoint?

For THF(and nin if no kannagi) SS > GH for pure damage, especially since evis' mod isn't agi. I don't think VV even ranks in top3 for best DW job atmas with crit weapon skills.

Ok when I get back to the house, I'll try out RR,SS,Apoc.
Imma miss 5tp/tick tho...meh lol

5tp\tic? it's 2.. :p

Edit: oh nvm, you meant SD... why did you ever think that was a good idea.. >_>

Because most of the time I had haste and haste samba up so the 13% (although still hinderin me) didnt bother me as much since mostly during ls events (unless tank dies) I'm normally DD/healing anyway :P

Plus kinda liked spamming darkness almost every minute lol

would get TP and DD better without it.

You do realize you're losing more by using SD in situations where you have buffs, not less, right?

Might as well TP in fulla heca +1 on jobs that can equip it at that point <_>

True true...was still kinda of meh on atma choices for dnc >< Sorry on that....

Is that a lucario style Umbreon? cool

Yea I know its goof on my end. >< I'm still learning Edit: In my previous post i meant "although slow is 13%" which yea is still bad even with the buffs but since I wasn't really tanking (like I use to) didn't really bother me...I'll stop using it tho unless I'm solo'n or somethin
lol

that's such a refreshing attitude, compared to the people who ask for advice but refuse to admit they're doing something wrong.