Blade: Hi WS Set.

in which case denali body is a fantastic alternative to Loki's kaftan ^^

Kirin's Osode? a lot easier to get and less annoying when NM doesn't drop :/

I finished Level 80 Kannagi over the weekend and expect to be done with Level 85 Kannagi within the next few days. I started gathering gear for Blade: Hi, and was looking for critiques.



I'm a bit unsure about the neck and belt. I've heard that elemental gorget/belt beat Hope Torque and Crudelis/Anguinus when PDIF is capped, but I'm not entirely convinced on the whole idea that PDIF is always at cap within Abyssea.

Thanks in advance.

pDIF is definitely not capped fulltime... Hitrate frequently is, but even with Berserk + Stalwart's there's probably the occasional NM you're not capped on even with appropriate debuffs. With that in mind, Anguinus will frequently be your best belt with Crudelis close behind. Only other major change that jumps out at me is Epona's Ring.

I know you guy talking about Blade: Hi, but i think you should also give a try with Shadow belt.

I was talking about that belt with Dasva on another thread, for some weirdo reason anguinus should be better but is not. My first test was in abyssea - Mis on lolibri, and as Dasva say maybe was due to Crit rate luck ect, so i did the test again outside abyssea this time, and i also made sure to not include any DMG that was not returning 13 TP. Note all those WS been done naked with belt only and on a sub-target (unclaim target using menu to WS) that way i got ride of double/tripple attack in account. And here the result i got again:

--Naked Anguinus Belt--
-121 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1023 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-100 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1132 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-118 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1048 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-109 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1065 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-102 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 833 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-100 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 967 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-104 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1064 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-103 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1078 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-106 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1034 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-105 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 955 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-107 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1060 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-112 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1281 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-114 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 989 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-102 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 984 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-115 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 967 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-105 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1167 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-108 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 982 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-100 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 937 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-109 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1052 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-100 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1082 points of damage. (13 TP return)
Total: 19,700/20 = 985 average

--Naked Shadow Belt--
-101 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1050 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-104 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1039 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-100 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 974 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-117 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 953 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-100 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1028 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-106 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 926 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-107 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 947 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-112 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 896 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-111 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 931 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-118 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 907 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-104 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1084 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-101 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1020 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-108 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 945 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-104 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1073 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-100 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 995 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-103 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 923 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-106 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 982 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-100 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1118 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-105 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 1141 points of damage. (13 TP return)
-102 tp- The Aht Urhgan Attercop takes 947 points of damage. (13 TP return)
Total: 19,879/20 = 993.95

Result was kinda a deception, because there no real evidence at all that Anguinus Belt is actually beating shadow belt, But i noted a lots of time having 24 to 32 TP return with shadow belt [Conserve TP +7] and that do help for sure.

I am still gonna test both belt in abyssea using same way, but this time with atma and see the result.

Several issues with your test:

1) While Hi is a single-hit WS, there's the offhand attack and any (fairly frequent) DAs/TAs to consider. Those extra hits are a significant portion of why Anguinus wins, but you restricted your tests to a specific TP return.
1a) Anguinus has DA+1%, which isn't represented in your sample.
2) Level correction increases the value of attack, Attercops are well below EM.
3) Your sample size is 20. Nowhere near large enough for a good confidence interval.

I appreciate your testing, but it's not really useful for determining which piece is better in practice. Given that we know how each belt works, it's really not that hard to establish which is better in a more reliable and conclusive fashion.

I thanks you for your comment, i did the test without any restriction, and Shadow belt still won, but i got told it could be due to DA,TA, Crit rate ect, is why this time i did the test just to compare the +15 attack VS +.1 fTP and see the result of it.

I know 20 WS is not really the best test ever, The only DMG i droped btw was the one gave me 4~8 TP return (since that clearly show it was some HIT that missed in the 5 fold attack)

I am still working to test it again in abyssea where the PDIF is most likely caped, that could explain why i had like 400 dmg difference with shadow belt, since in scenario of caped PDIF, fTP would win all the way again +15 attack.

If anyone have other test they wan share about it, that would be awesome too, ill should be back soon with the test in Abyssea and normal area without restricting anything, of course they gonna be base on 20 WS, due to time it take.

This test been done with full gear this time, THF90/DNC45 with Haste Samba full time and Red Curry Bun full time. Monster: Aht Urhgan Attercop, Zone bhaflau Remnants (reason i test on these is because they level are static, they are also Easy prey) I plan do more testing in Abyssea, but that might turn harder since Mob level change.

---Shadow Belt---
103 TP -> 1425 dmg -> TP return (14)
118 TP -> 1424 dmg -> TP return (13)
104 TP -> 1957 dmg -> TP return (17)
103 TP -> 1420 dmg -> TP return (14)
112 TP -> 1531 dmg -> TP return (14)
122 TP -> 886 dmg -> TP return (9)
111 TP -> 1296 dmg -> TP return (14)
101 TP -> 1697 dmg -> TP return (15)
117 TP -> 1478 dmg -> TP return (20)
107 TP -> 1552 dmg -> TP return (14)
107 TP -> 1734 dmg -> TP return (14)
111 TP -> 1578 dmg -> TP return (17)
118 TP -> 1432 dmg -> TP return (14)
130 TP -> 1902 dmg -> TP return (17)
119 TP -> 1217 dmg -> TP return (17)
104 TP -> 1362 dmg -> TP return (15)
113 TP -> 1668 dmg -> TP return (14)
116 TP -> 1284 dmg -> TP return (14)
105 TP -> 982 dmg -> TP return (11)
102 TP -> 1410 dmg -> TP return (14)
Total: 29,235/20 = 1461.75 average TP Total return: 291

--- Anguinus Belt ---
107 TP -> 1582 dmg -> TP return (17)
117 TP -> 1519 dmg -> TP return (15)
107 TP -> 1472 dmg -> TP return (14)
110 TP -> 1710 dmg -> TP return (14)
103 TP -> 807 dmg -> TP return (12)
113 TP -> 1500 dmg -> TP return (17)
103 TP -> 1106 dmg -> TP return (13)
102 TP -> 836 dmg -> TP return (13)
112 TP -> 1019 dmg -> TP return (9)
109 TP -> 1328 dmg -> TP return (17)
108 TP -> 1794 dmg -> TP return (17)
122 TP -> 1333 dmg -> TP return (14)
102 TP -> 1160 dmg -> TP return (14)
105 TP -> 1433 dmg -> TP return (13)
113 TP -> 1344 dmg -> TP return (14)
110 TP -> 1103 dmg -> TP return (14)
106 TP -> 2139 dmg -> TP return (17)
103 TP -> 1380 dmg -> TP return (15)
113 TP -> 1597 dmg -> TP return (17)
101 TP -> 1551 dmg -> TP return (17)
Total: 27,713 / 20 = 1385 Average TP total return: 293

Again i can't really explain why shadow belt won, i know this test still too small, i am gonna do more since i am farming these spider probably all night.

This is my Hi set atm, need to upgrade to Stormsoul ring and Hachiryu feet.

Wait, what WS is this?

it is?

is Evisceration, THF/DNC was to remove poison and slow.

Round 2:
--- Shadow Belt ---
102 TP -> 1264 dmg -> TP return (13)
106 TP -> 1355 dmg -> TP return (15)
120 TP -> 1035 dmg -> TP return (13)
102 TP -> 1317 dmg -> TP return (14)
112 TP -> 1650 dmg -> TP return (14)
107 TP -> 1930 dmg -> TP return (21)
119 TP -> 1618 dmg -> TP return (15)
108 TP -> 1441 dmg -> TP return (13)
105 TP -> 1222 dmg -> TP return (13)
106 TP -> 1928 dmg -> TP return (17)
118 TP -> 1677 dmg -> TP return (35)
108 TP -> 1567 dmg -> TP return (14)
104 TP -> 1385 dmg -> TP return (13)
100 TP -> 1496 dmg -> TP return (14)
104 TP -> 1271 dmg -> TP return (31)
118 TP -> 1320 dmg -> TP return (14)
104 TP -> 1296 dmg -> TP return (14)
103 TP -> 1635 dmg -> TP return (14)
104 TP -> 1778 dmg -> TP return (17)
123 TP -> 1350 dmg -> TP return (14)
117 TP -> 2016 dmg -> TP return (32)
104 TP -> 1373 dmg -> TP return (13)
105 TP -> 1229 dmg -> TP return (12)
111 TP -> 1431 dmg -> TP return (14)
114 TP -> 1392 dmg -> TP return (14)
115 TP -> 1367 dmg -> TP return (14)
100 TP -> 1650 dmg -> TP return (14)
100 TP -> 1357 dmg -> TP return (14)
115 TP -> 1756 dmg -> TP return (15)
105 TP -> 1416 dmg -> TP return (18)
Total: 44,522 / 30 = 1484.06

--- Anguinus Belt ---
105 TP -> 1367 dmg -> TP return (13)
104 TP -> 1538 dmg -> TP return (14)
107 TP -> 1382 dmg -> TP return (14)
105 TP -> 1568 dmg -> TP return (11)
105 TP -> 1860 dmg -> TP return (17)
108 TP -> 1608 dmg -> TP return (14)
114 TP -> 1186 dmg -> TP return (9)
106 TP -> 1528 dmg -> TP return (17)
102 TP -> 1446 dmg -> TP return (14)
104 TP -> 1663 dmg -> TP return (14)
108 TP -> 1468 dmg -> TP return (14)
101 TP -> 1615 dmg -> TP return (17)
104 TP -> 1718 dmg -> TP return (11)
127 TP -> 2310 dmg -> TP return (17)
110 TP -> 1425 dmg -> TP return (14)
108 TP -> 1606 dmg -> TP return (14)
116 TP -> 890 dmg -> TP return (9)
116 TP -> 1124 dmg -> TP return (14)
106 TP -> 1283 dmg -> TP return (13)
107 TP -> 1273 dmg -> TP return (13)
100 TP -> 1687 dmg -> TP return (15)
116 TP -> 1693 dmg -> TP return (11)
119 TP -> 1657 dmg -> TP return (14)
106 TP -> 952 dmg -> TP return (12)
104 TP -> 1467 dmg -> TP return (14)
102 TP -> 1090 dmg -> TP return (14)
113 TP -> 1239 dmg -> TP return (14)
130 TP -> 1626 dmg -> TP return (14)
103 TP -> 895 dmg -> TP return (13)
102 TP -> 1893 dmg -> TP return (17)
Total: 44,057 / 30 = 1468

Again Shadow belt won over 30 WS, if we add up number i got previously, that give this:

73,757 / 50 = 1475 average for Shadow Belt
vs
71,770 / 50 = 1435 Average for Anguinus Belt

So far what i can say is Shadow won but not by that far, and Anguinus Belt at some point did good peek dmg(2310), But Shadow belt also nice for returning 21~32 TP multi time.

I'm not pretending to know ***, but I do know this thread is titled Blade: Hi.


tbh, I don't even know if it makes a difference in your testing of gear with wtf all these people are talking about. I just find it odd you're posting results on equip about Evisceration in a Blade: Hi thread.

Well figured blade: Hi or Evis, both are Crit base WS and multi-hit, and was saying should be a good consideration to test Shadow belt for that ws when i saw Fenrir.Nightfyre talking about using Anguinus Belt would be frequently the best belt.


And i sorry for posting my junk here.

np sall good, may very well be completely relevant for testing it just threw me way off I thought you were testing Hi, maybe I didn't read your original post closely enough.

My understanding is that Elemental Gorget/Belt greatly benefit low ftp ws's such as Evisceration. I think it was ftp 3 and below?

Anyway, recently updated my Blade: Hi set to best I could:



MKD Hat is DEX AGI +4 Crit dmg +2% WS dmg +2%. Been playing around with Motenten's spreadsheet and thats generally the best setup I could come up with until I find Hachiryu feet...

Extremely poorly said, my apologies. I'll edit that into something more accurate.

Evis is actually a very high fTP WS - 5.0, 6.0 if you're DWing. Additional hits beyond the first can be treated as 1.0 fTP hits so long as you remember that gorgets/belts only affect the first hit. But yes, they benefit low fTP WS more.

i don't have an anguinus belt, so should i use fierce, shadow, or crudelis until i get one?

edit: also lacking atheling mantle and epona's for now, so missing a lot of the da/ta+ gear.

Elemental Belt over Crudelis if you ask me as it can help with the accuracy as I've noticed sometimes you get those weird main hand miss on the ws even with pizza +1 on cheap mobs >_>. For the back piece you can use Forager/Amemet +1 and a +AGI ring in the meantime.

Again, Motenten's spreadsheet I posted a few pages back is a a good source of info for various gear setups which includes Atma gear food etc.

if you want to fo all out by stacking agi on slots bar neck and waste then this set would be better, why to people that go for 2 agi earrings over look the 2 in this item set

My damage seems to be more stable using my Hope Torque instead of the Sea Gorget. Also using RR/GH/AoA.

Seeing a few different builds so what personally do you think?
Head: Arwing or AGI+
Neck: Gorget or Hope Torque
Ears: Brutal+AGI or Brutal+atk or AGI set(+8)
rings: Epona or agi+
back: Atheling or agi+

think most of this has been answered in this thread already.

--most likely anwig depending on augments. maat's or other agi hat if mkd not available
--torque, gorget if no torque
--brutal/4agi, brutal/attack. having 4 agi instead of 5 da seems pretty meh.
--epona's, agi if no epona's
--atheling

Anwig (STR+4/AGI+4)
Hope unless pDIF capped, then gorget
Brutal + attack (Centaurus) unless pDIF capped, then Brutal + AGI
Epona + AGI
Atheling unless pDIF capped... iirc Iga generally wins at that point but if you've swapped out attack everywhere else and you're still capping then nobody gives a ***cause you're fighting EP mobs.

I just swapped out from full Agi to Agi and attack and my numbers are a lot better. I'm using RR/GH/Apoc (we typically kill nms and it's hard not having rr sometimes).



Nin has gotten HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE tho, I'm like 90/80 slots atm. I have to keep stuff in satchel depending on what I'm fighting. It's hard to have tp/ws/pdt and mdt gear in inventory all at once.

rr gh apoc is pretty standard; the only real difference between your set and other sets is tumbler trunks.

Varangian Helm is pretty good in attack uncapped situations too.

IMO there are better ways to get attack than using something with -12 ACC. 5TP return Hi's suck.

I'm personally using this as my HI WS Set.

Tobi+2/Sekka+2(AGI)/Qirmiz
Bersail/Arctier's/Brutal/Iga Earring
Kirin/Iga+1/Stormsoul/Rajas
Atheling/Crudelis/Denali/Iga+1

Working on Kaftan and some feet but right now I'm getting good dmg inside and outside abyssea.

Ditch the Rajas.