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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-08 15:57:18  
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
again i can tell you from personal experience

a journalist who gets forcefully escorted off the premises is going to write a very different report than one who was just given the interview

it may be worth reading between the lines a bit
And I really doubt it was their choice to escort them off the scene. Lowly firemens aren't going to be allowed to speak to the press on something like this without coaching first lol
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2010-10-08 15:57:49  
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Fines and crap
That wont work. You can't expect a guy to pay thousands who didn't pay 75. Especially after his home burns down lol. And putting him in jail will just cost the paying citizens even more. He is just going to declarce bankruptcy anyways. Happens all the time with people who don't get health insurance and get really sick but can't be completely refused treatment. Instead you just set a precident for helping without paying a fee which other people will jump on

Idk how it is over there but over here we have the right to refuse most services. Especially on non-compliant non paying people.

Also mind you this was the cities FD. He was outside the city. There are pros and cons to doing this. You get out of things but you get less of the city services that you didn't pay for


You've got a point, but recall that he offered the FD whatever amount they wanted so that they would put the fire out.

Sounds to me like he was and would be willing to drop some money for them to help.

Now I know what your going to say, "well if he was willing to pay for it when it happened why not just pay it to begin with"

I agree that he should have just paid it so that he could get his service, but the fact that they denied him the service even after he pleaded with them with money doesn't really make them sound like very good people.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-08 15:59:11  
Cmon you don't really think he would've paid anything? People will say anything under duress
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-10-08 15:59:11  
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
again i can tell you from personal experience

a journalist who gets forcefully escorted off the premises is going to write a very different report than one who was just given the interview

it may be worth reading between the lines a bit
And I really doubt it was their choice to escort them off the scene. Lowly firemens aren't going to be allowed to speak to the press on something like this without coaching first lol


hey, i didn't say i BLAMED them

just that you're hearing from a pissed off journalist

not a neutral unbiased one

and that it's something to take into account when viewing the story

edit: that said, government agencies would be a lot better off just giving their employees media training than trying to strongarm reporters

the fire department, though is an exception. i can't see that they have a reason to care what the media says about them.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-10-08 16:00:49  
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Cmon you don't really think he would've paid anything? People will say anything under duress

exactly

i seriously doubt he was waving cash under their nose

the victim always swears to their kidnapper that they wont tell the police if they let him go

you probably don't want to take his word for it on that one
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-10-08 16:00:56  
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Fines and crap
That wont work. You can't expect a guy to pay thousands who didn't pay 75. Especially after his home burns down lol. And putting him in jail will just cost the paying citizens even more. He is just going to declarce bankruptcy anyways. Happens all the time with people who don't get health insurance and get really sick but can't be completely refused treatment. Instead you just set a precident for helping without paying a fee which other people will jump on

Idk how it is over there but over here we have the right to refuse most services. Especially on non-compliant non paying people.

Also mind you this was the cities FD. He was outside the city. There are pros and cons to doing this. You get out of things but you get less of the city services that you didn't pay for


You've got a point, but recall that he offered the FD whatever amount they wanted so that they would put the fire out.

Sounds to me like he was and would be willing to drop some money for them to help.

Now I know what your going to say, "well if he was willing to pay for it when it happened why not just pay it to begin with"

I agree that he should have just paid it so that he could get his service, but the fact that they denied him the service even after he pleaded with them with money doesn't really make them sound like very good people.
he probably was pleading for help after it was all said and done with :/
regardless, dipshit burned a trash fire, if you burn trash and you don't take the proper precautions with it...(like not putting it near ***that will set on fire, not burning a huge pyre) you deserve what you get.
that coupled with the whole fee deal just paints the picture that the dudes a big tard.
smokey the bear knows what the *** is up man.
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By Odin.Hevans 2010-10-08 16:21:33  
as someone who lives in the same state and in an outside city limits county area, i don't feel bad for this guy one bit. besides all the reasons given in the thread for why he's stupid. burning trash is illegal in TN. if the fire had started from him cooking meth or crack in his house would you feel different? people really need to read all relevant info or at least the thread before posting. the guy's area voted against adding taxes to pay for fire coverage. meaning as a community they opposed it. the guy had the option to cover his ***, but he decided it was better to take a chance.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-10-08 16:24:17  
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as someone who lives in the same state and in an outside city limits county area, i don't feel bad for this guy one bit. besides all the reasons given in the thread for why he's stupid. burning trash is illegal in TN. if the fire had started from him cooking meth or crack in his house would you feel different? people really need to read all relevant info or at least the thread before posting. the guy's area voted against adding taxes to pay for fire coverage. meaning as a community they opposed it. the guy had the option to cover his ***, but he decided it was better to take a chance.
I wasn't sure if it was illegal in tenn. or not or if they had a no in-town protocol like here in ohio(at least that's how it was the last time i really worried about it)
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By Kujata.Akeda 2010-10-08 17:06:09  
LOL he was outside burning trash?

His yard looks poorly maintained but I thought it was an inside fire. So +5 stupid points for not having a proper fire break protecting his house. Even if he did pay the $75 I bet his house would still have burned down with all that dry brush near his house.

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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2010-10-08 18:02:01  
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They could have at least put the gd fire out then made hime pay the fee. His home was going up in flames and the fire department sat and watched. No one had to balls to step up and say, "*** this policy, this mans house is on fire and I am a fireman". The home owner probably lives outside of that county for a reaseon.

Also this.

I'd like to think that firefighters have the balls to stand on principle and risk their jobs to help someone else. Especially when they are standing a couple hundred feet away with all the tools to do so.


I thought that all fireman had to be sworn in like all civil servants , i.e a Police officer and swear an oath to protect and to serve or something like that... Point is fire or not.. they should have done their job.


Losers...milkin' the taxpayer, and using the power of veto, they were going about it the wrong way.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-10-08 18:05:21  
Caitsith.Neonracer said:
Titan.Wombat said:
Pawnskipper said:
They could have at least put the gd fire out then made hime pay the fee. His home was going up in flames and the fire department sat and watched. No one had to balls to step up and say, "*** this policy, this mans house is on fire and I am a fireman". The home owner probably lives outside of that county for a reaseon.

Also this.

I'd like to think that firefighters have the balls to stand on principle and risk their jobs to help someone else. Especially when they are standing a couple hundred feet away with all the tools to do so.


I thought that all fireman had to be sworn in like all civil servants , i.e a Police officer and swear an oath to protect and to serve or something like that... Point is fire or not.. they should have done their job.


Losers...milkin' the taxpayer, and using the power of veto, they were going about it the wrong way.
quit with your trolling flion.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-10-08 18:13:07  
Can't even watch the second vid, there, Glenn Beck makes me rage so hard... *** idiot.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-10-08 18:23:49  
Odin.Hevans said:
as someone who lives in the same state and in an outside city limits county area, i don't feel bad for this guy one bit. besides all the reasons given in the thread for why he's stupid. burning trash is illegal in TN. if the fire had started from him cooking meth or crack in his house would you feel different? people really need to read all relevant info or at least the thread before posting. the guy's area voted against adding taxes to pay for fire coverage. meaning as a community they opposed it. the guy had the option to cover his ***, but he decided it was better to take a chance.

Because burning trash is just as bad as making meth.
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By Cerberus.Nutt 2010-10-08 18:24:45  
If the firefighters had lost their jobs for putting out the fire of some dude who hadn't paid the required fee, would their story have had the same coverage?

Would donations and job offers pour in for them? NO!!!

My compassion only goes up to a certain point. That point ends if it causes me to lose my job.

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By Kailana 2010-10-08 18:28:29  
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Can't even watch the second vid, there, Glenn Beck makes me rage so hard... *** idiot.

Yeah, I have the same issue with him. xD
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By Sylph.Washburn 2010-10-08 18:31:52  
I see the side of everyone who's compasionate about the family that lost their home. It's one hell of a lesson to lose your house, and yeah, probably more than they needed, and it would have been morally right to risk your job nad means of feeding your kids to protect someone who opted that they didnt want your protection. But, you also have to look at it from the community side of it, kinda like what that guy in those 2 videios said, "we're a community, if it affects one of us, it affects us all." And it's a real shame that the homeowners didnt think in that manner when it was tax time. I'm ultimately going to side with the Fire Dept b/c i'm fully aware and accustomed to the crap people pull trying to miser out of every penny they can. That part of this great lesson, i feel no compassion for, I just hope that as a community it will affect everyone and everyone can, together, better understand how a community works. I think glen beck pulled a *** move with mocking them, b/c losing your home is no joke, but he has points in his side of it all. You cant freeload and expect to not drag down a system that's tuned to work if everyone does their part.
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By Ramuh.Thunderz 2010-10-08 18:38:18  
you guys are funny


Ok increase Taxes by 5% for everyone so fire DPT can hire enough people and purchase all the stuff they need.

See how fast people will start bitching about the GVT increasing taxes for this BS reason. The municipality is right, pay the fee or gtfo. Nothing is free in life.

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By Bahamut.Shaj 2010-10-08 18:38:47  
ITS ANOTHER DAY AMERICA, YOU ALL HAVE LEARNT A LESSON TODAY, YOU MUST PAY UP!!! $75.00 OR GTFO! <.>

I'm sorry, its pathetic :( I'm so glad England nor other countries have rules like that its stupid. We're all humans, but I (one man) will not make a difference to America's rules. All I can say is, Sorry. Sorry that your country is *** up, just sorry.........

/CRY
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By Lakshmi.Glaciont 2010-10-08 18:41:23  
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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/10/firefighters-watch-home-burn-down-because-owner-hadnt-paid-75-city-fee/1

The mayor of South Fulton, Tenn., stands by his town's policy that led firefighters to watch from the sidelines while a man's county home burned to the ground because he hadn't paid the $75 fire protection fee, WPSD reports.

Gene Cranick, owner of the now-gutted house in Obion County, says he called 911 and offered to pay whatever it would take to get the firefighters to act, but they said they wouldn't do anything, WPSD reports.

They only responded when it looked as if the fire might spread to the house of a neighbor who had paid the fee.

"I thought they'd come out and put it out, even if you hadn't paid your $75, but I was wrong," Cranick tells the Paducah, Ky., TV station.

Mayor David Crocker says that's just city policy.

"Anybody that's not in the city of South Fulton, it's a service we offer, either they accept it or they don't," Crocker says.

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I love this story and the debate it provokes. Long story short Guy doesn't live within the city/town boundaries, he lives out in the middle of nowhere. The city/town he lives closest too offers fire service to this area for a nominal fee of 75 dollars a year. He didn't pay it, his house catches fire, nobody comes to save him because he didnt pay the mandatory fee. Now people are pissed off at the town.

What's the problem???

Discuss


another reason I like living on the other side of the boarder... Canada!
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-10-08 18:42:18  
Bahamut.Shaj said:
ITS ANOTHER DAY AMERICA, YOU ALL HAVE LEARNT A LESSON TODAY, YOU MUST PAY UP!!! $75.00 OR GTFO! <.>

I'm sorry, its pathetic :( I'm so glad England nor other countries have rules like that its stupid. We're all humans, but I (one man) will not make a difference to America's rules. All I can say is, Sorry. Sorry that your country is *** up, just sorry.........

/CRY
you sure did read the whole durn trhed der didnt' cha~hic~

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you guys are funny


Ok increase Taxes by 5% for everyone so fire DPT can hire enough people and purchase all the stuff they need.

See how fast people will start bitching about the GVT increasing taxes for this BS reason. The municipality is right, pay the fee or gtfo. Nothing is free in life.

:D

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Odin.Hevans said:
as someone who lives in the same state and in an outside city limits county area, i don't feel bad for this guy one bit. besides all the reasons given in the thread for why he's stupid. burning trash is illegal in TN. if the fire had started from him cooking meth or crack in his house would you feel different? people really need to read all relevant info or at least the thread before posting. the guy's area voted against adding taxes to pay for fire coverage. meaning as a community they opposed it. the guy had the option to cover his ***, but he decided it was better to take a chance.

Because burning trash is just as bad as making meth.
and that was TOOOOTALLY his point.
/facepalm
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By Kujata.Akeda 2010-10-08 19:40:08  
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Can't even watch the second vid, there, Glenn Beck makes me rage so hard... *** idiot.

Yeah, I have the same issue with him. xD

He's ok when he's not all 'OMFG the government is against us! REPENT YOUR SINS TO GOD NOW!!!'
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By Sylph.Zenairis 2010-10-08 19:43:20  
While I agree the Fire Fighters should have responded and put the house out before it could become a threat; However the people should have paid the fine in the first place. The Fire Fighters also have to make a living and the money for the equipment has to come from somewhere especially in areas the government doesn't cover. More so the TvT person should not just be blaming conservatives, Libs are also at fault for this.
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By Kailana 2010-10-08 19:53:23  
Kujata.Akeda said:
Kailana said:
Phoenix.Kojo said:
Can't even watch the second vid, there, Glenn Beck makes me rage so hard... *** idiot.

Yeah, I have the same issue with him. xD

He's ok when he's not all 'OMFG the government is against us! REPENT YOUR SINS TO GOD NOW!!!'

When is he NOT like that? xD

I second the "I'm glad the option to let my house burn down isn't available in my country" motion, minus the america is *** up part. Watching firemen watching my house burn to the ground would probably be kinda traumatic.

Part of me worries the homeowner might go looney tunes on someone. :(
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2010-10-08 20:05:57  
Kailana said:
Kujata.Akeda said:
Kailana said:
Phoenix.Kojo said:
Can't even watch the second vid, there, Glenn Beck makes me rage so hard... *** idiot.

Yeah, I have the same issue with him. xD

He's ok when he's not all 'OMFG the government is against us! REPENT YOUR SINS TO GOD NOW!!!'

When is he NOT like that? xD

I second the "I'm glad the option to let my house burn down isn't available in my country" motion, minus the america is *** up part. Watching firemen watching my house burn to the ground would probably be kinda traumatic.

Part of me worries the homeowner might go looney tunes on someone. :(


I'd more worry about the township doing that, I recall hearing about some violence that happened against some of the firemen at their station because of this.

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By Quetzalcoatl.Moonsshadow 2010-10-08 20:09:47  
Trogdor strikes again?
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By Alexander.Tidusblitz 2010-10-08 20:12:28  
if i was a fireman id be like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnUaUXZrYb0#t=1m47s
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-10-08 20:15:01  
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Kailana said:
Kujata.Akeda said:
Kailana said:
Phoenix.Kojo said:
Can't even watch the second vid, there, Glenn Beck makes me rage so hard... *** idiot.
Yeah, I have the same issue with him. xD
He's ok when he's not all 'OMFG the government is against us! REPENT YOUR SINS TO GOD NOW!!!'
When is he NOT like that? xD I second the "I'm glad the option to let my house burn down isn't available in my country" motion, minus the america is *** up part. Watching firemen watching my house burn to the ground would probably be kinda traumatic. Part of me worries the homeowner might go looney tunes on someone. :(
I'd more worry about the township doing that, I recall hearing about some violence that happened against some of the firemen at their station because of this.

Not the firemen's fault, but when things are arranged in odd ways, ***happens. I'm sure if your house burnt down and the firemen came out just to make sure the yard next door was ok and say "loltoobad" to your face, I'm sure you'd be pissed, too. The firemen could have stepped forward and done what was right instead of what they were told.
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By Alexander.Tidusblitz 2010-10-08 20:20:37  
Phoenix.Kojo said:
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Kailana said:
Kujata.Akeda said:
Kailana said:
Phoenix.Kojo said:
Can't even watch the second vid, there, Glenn Beck makes me rage so hard... *** idiot.
Yeah, I have the same issue with him. xD
He's ok when he's not all 'OMFG the government is against us! REPENT YOUR SINS TO GOD NOW!!!'
When is he NOT like that? xD I second the "I'm glad the option to let my house burn down isn't available in my country" motion, minus the america is *** up part. Watching firemen watching my house burn to the ground would probably be kinda traumatic. Part of me worries the homeowner might go looney tunes on someone. :(
I'd more worry about the township doing that, I recall hearing about some violence that happened against some of the firemen at their station because of this.

Not the firemen's fault, but when things are arranged in odd ways, ***happens. I'm sure if your house burnt down and the firemen came out just to make sure the yard next door was ok and say "loltoobad" to your face, I'm sure you'd be pissed, too. The firemen could have stepped forward and done what was right instead of what they were told.

Right to who? what if they did and got fired for disobeying orders? what if they lost their job over it and couldnt feed their kids anymore? is that right?
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2010-10-08 20:23:04  
Alexander.Tidusblitz said:
Phoenix.Kojo said:
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Kailana said:
Kujata.Akeda said:
Kailana said:
Phoenix.Kojo said:
Can't even watch the second vid, there, Glenn Beck makes me rage so hard... *** idiot.
Yeah, I have the same issue with him. xD
He's ok when he's not all 'OMFG the government is against us! REPENT YOUR SINS TO GOD NOW!!!'
When is he NOT like that? xD I second the "I'm glad the option to let my house burn down isn't available in my country" motion, minus the america is *** up part. Watching firemen watching my house burn to the ground would probably be kinda traumatic. Part of me worries the homeowner might go looney tunes on someone. :(
I'd more worry about the township doing that, I recall hearing about some violence that happened against some of the firemen at their station because of this.
Not the firemen's fault, but when things are arranged in odd ways, ***happens. I'm sure if your house burnt down and the firemen came out just to make sure the yard next door was ok and say "loltoobad" to your face, I'm sure you'd be pissed, too. The firemen could have stepped forward and done what was right instead of what they were told.
Right to who? what if they did and got fired for disobeying orders? what if they lost their job over it and couldnt feed their kids anymore? is that right?

You're an idiot.
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