Coronavirus Death Toll Estimation USA

Well this IS politics and religion....

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So, how's that virus doing, Dr. Fauci? I guess it's another "do what I say, not what I do" type of things?

You know, his wife, that lady that lives in his house with him.

And the photographer literally waited until he took a drink (see the bottle?) just to bait you with it. Mission accomplished.

Plus, he was tested right before the game.

I watched that whole game up until the rain delay, they showed him a couple of times sitting with his family, all wearing masks. End of July, humidity in the air, it was sweltering in that stadium, they were sitting in the shade but I'm sure they were hot. I would have sat every other seat tbh.

Yup, both pictures .

Keep flailing. It's entertaining.

Still not 6 feet apart.

But hey, it's "do what I say, not as I do" all over again.

Let's see the flailing continue.

Part of going to a baseball game is the misery and boredom. It's inauthentic if you're comfy.

You really don't need to distance from someone who you literally sleep next to (I assume).

Not to mention masks are for people that don't know if they're sick. It makes to sense to mask up when you know you're not for a fact. and around no one that can be (test accuracy% w/e)

I never knew Dr. Fauci was bisexual.

Joking aside, explain the gentleman next to Dr. Fauci. I assume he doesn't sleep with him...

Doesn't matter when it is constantly repeated every day, practically every minute, by that very man that you must wear a mask irregardless of if you show symptoms or not.

Just because you tested negative prior to the game doesn't mean you won't get it during the game. Plus, you don't know how many people he came into contact with before and after the pitch.

There's also that nice little tidbit where, after the pitch, he tried to bump fists with Sean Doolittle. I guess that whole "don't shake hands/etc." line went out the window too, huh?

Every single player is tested before the game too.

If everyone is tested (the whole team, fauci, his wife, and his friend) no one in that subset needs to wear a mask. And a fist bump would've been fine. Wash your hands, nbd.

It's the exact same argument trump and his staff made for months. "he's tested and so is everyone else he doesn't need to wear a mask"

The only one flailing here is you.

Except, again, tests don't prove anything 100% of the time. Ever heard of false negatives?

You also brought up a hypothetical, but we don't know if that's true. We also don't know if everyone in that stadium, including support staff, was tested. That's the thing, isn't it? We don't know.

Still doesn't mean he needs to flaunt guidelines he himself enforced on the rest of the nation. It's like if Bill de Blasio shut down city parks and playgrounds and later decided to go down a stroll in one of those parks....oh wait, that happened.

Hypocrisy is a natural thing for some people, isn't it?

He's not sitting next to "everyone"

That's your retort?

Well, it's not like you had much of an argument to defend to begin with. How's your rhetoric going btw? Has Texas and/or Florida surpassed New York in cases and deaths from COVID yet, like you hoped?

That's your defense? I mean, all it takes is one infected person coming in contact with another in a closed space and it infects everyone....

But hey, keep flailing. I'm enjoying your struggles.

Do you want to get topic banned again, cause this is how you get topic banned again.

No one here is rooting for deaths.


Gonna save this one for later.


Backseat moderation is also an excellent way to get topicbanned.

No one needs a "defense." The only thing Fauci did wrong was throw out a lousy, unacceptable first pitch. Thats it. The alt-right attacks on him continue to amuse, the desperation is real. And highly entertaining. Please keep it up.

If you aren't going to reign him in, he clearly needs reminders, constantly, apparently. Just food for thought.

I said a few weeks ago that both Florida and Texas would pass New York in total cases by the end of July, and I was right. Doesn't mean I was rooting for it to happen. Florida is going to pass them today, tomorrow at the latest. Texas will pass them next week. California has already passed them. I never mentioned deaths.

Maybe not outright rooting for deaths, but Vic has, on multiple occasions, expressed desire for Texas to outpace New York in cases and deaths for the past few weeks. As an attack on Governor Abbot.

I get that he hates Abbot, but this is the worst way to show disdain.

I hope so. I'm a hypocrite just like the rest of us. At least I admit it.

So, please call me out for it.

Cases is such a weird metric though, because non-hospitalization cases are largely self-selecting testers. Hospitalizations and deaths are the more interesting numbers because they can't really be fudged (and spare me the tinfoil hattery about MEs listing every death as covid. Most people do not have an overt political agenda, and NO ONE outside of genuine psychopaths is rooting for covid to be worse.)

New York COVID Cases: 414k, Deaths: 32,270
Florida COVID Cases: 402K, Deaths: 5,652
Texas COVID Cases: 376k, Deaths: 4,723.

Still haven't surpassed the case numbers, and even then, your reasoning is flawed because New York's "spike" occurred when there wasn't much testing going on, vs. Texas/Florida's "spike" occurring after testing ramped up significantly. There's even reports that New York's total cases may be underreported because of it, given that back in late March/early April, a study (unscientific, so take it with a grain of salt) shown that 25% of NYC's residents have had it and shown no signs of it (asymptomatic). So, the number of NY cases is most likely higher than what is reported.

You cannot compare apples to apples with the caseloads between NY and Texas/Florida. But data is all we have currently.

But I guess I owe Vic an apology.

You may not be rooting for more deaths, but it does seem like you are rooting for more cases in Texas.

As Rooks said, it is a better idea to look at hospitalizations and deaths than testing, especially since testing differentiates between times and locations. More so now that the availability of testing is more prevalent in recent weeks than it was back in March/April.

I mean, I don't think anyone is going to top that first phase of NYC:

• PPE shortages

• Minimal testing

• Horrendous leadership at literally every level: city, state, federal, global

• Population density

It probably could have weathered one or two of those, but all four? No way. We won't see those conditions replicated again (I HOPE) so I doubt anything's going to match the New York numbers.

At some point you have to admit that while NY was the worst hit, it has excuses being first.

There are no excuses for CA FL TX going into half a million cases.

Eh, kinda. The response from leadership is pretty inexcusable; it's not like we didn't know it was coming.

I'm sorry, but what?

There is all sorts of evidence that the number of cases could truly be well in the 2-3 million range for NY, if not more. We will not know the true number for a few years, after everything is sorted out and studies are shown to be what the true number is.

Now that testing is much more common, you are much more likely to find a new case today than 2 months ago. That's basic logic.

Partisans only focus on the NY case number and never the context of that number.