Coronavirus Death Toll Estimation USA

It's not even an America focused study..sorry but I can't even point to Zambia on a map, unless pointing to Africa counts.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that COVID-19 only affected the US.

It was my understanding that it affected the world, and a study such as this would take that into consideration.

I'm willing to bet that your blogger was trying to use an African study to base his opinions on the economic situation in the US. Especially considering your post specifically referenced America.

Moving this here since it was locked 'for not being in the covid thread'

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html


i cant believe CNN of all places actually reported this.

but then they follow it up with this, because they didnt do the basest of research




the study their referencing was faked. 100% fabricated.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52929916



Which is total ***; since in this kind of a study, the patients names could simply be masked without compromising the data integrity. it happens all the time. but wait- there's more. Turns out The company in question - surgisphere, looks to be fake. Manned by aparently an extremely small staff comprised of a a Science fiction novelist, and a porn star. :


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine





Nearly every single study showing Hydroxycloriquine to have an adverse effect, came out of this 'lab' when traced back to its source.


This isnt funny at this point.

People have Literally died over this study.
People declined Hydroxycloriquine as a treatment, because the news told them it was bad. \
Hospitals literally stopped providing it as a treatment for no apparent reason.

you literally killed people - over orange man bad.

Moving this here because the original was locked.



oh i was more pointing out that we based our reaction to this drug over a fake medical labs results - because orange man bad.


https://www.livescience.com/are-face-masks-effective-reducing-coronavirus-spread.html

Debatable- we still have zero reliable data that mask use is actually preventing/slowing the spread. Masks dont prevent you from contracting it, and its dubious as to their efficicay in mitigating the spread. at the very best it may mitigate asymptomatic transmission when normal breathing occurs, but wont mitigate anyone coughing or sneezing.



None because this never happened. this is called facts I don't like. Have you actually read the context of the defense production act? the DPA that the democrats (and you by way of your next argument) demanded trump use? that he eventually caved in and used, for wait for it- PPE.

The context of the DPA is effectively that any manufacturer subject to the DPA must fulfill any federal government order before any private or state order. No PPE was EVER confiscated. No PPE was EVER illegally seized.



https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-crisis-ventilator-shortages-have-not-come-to-pass/

None- We actually never ran out of ventilators at any point in time anywhere in the country. the massive field hospitals we set up in newyork, and even the naval medical ships went completely unused. we did however have the PPE shortages, to which he DID use the DPA, and was swiftly critiqued for it



you'll need to source that one because this is the first time ive EVER heard that claim - and it honestly reeks of tinfoil...


little if any to be honest. we saw virtually ZERO uptic in cases, and deaths continued to trend down, all through his push to re-open. we didnt see a surge untill specifically a few days after the BLM protesting began world wide.



i think you might have been a little too hard on the coolaid on this one...

when it comes to testing - nobody in the world is out testing the USA - which is why our rates are so much higher. we are literally testing 50% more than the next leading country, which is russia.

France, italy, spain, the UK, Sweeden, belgium, have ALL had a higher mortality rate than the USA. Yes the USA Leads in deaths. We also dwarf most every population that isnt Russia, China, and India. thats why deaths per million is the only measurement that matters. were india and china doing anything resembling proper testing - and not lying about the results like china - they would be dwarfing the united states, because their healthcare systems dont even begin to come close to ours.

now rooks, you said i was providing disinformation- i welcome you to cite what and where. Please also address the above points because what you posted for some of these is absolutely demonstrably false.

Also this part threatening to ban me is absolutely uncalled for. i've provided sources for my claims.


Just because it runs counter to your perception of reality does not mean it is disinformation. threatening a ban over this is completely and totally uncalled for.

my statements still stand.

a FAKE COMPANY produced FAKE results showing hydroxycloriquine was killing people. This company is staffed by a SCI FI NOVELIST and a PORNSTAR. every medical journal that printed their findings has issued a retraction of those findings because they were fake.

a REAL company based in america has found that Patients on Hydroxycloriquine or azythromithin or a combination of the two, had SIGINIFICANTLY LOWER mortality rates - more than enough to potentially not be statistical noise or placebo.

Heres more evidence - because i didnt cite a few of them:

Trump Using the DPA for PPE.

https://khn.org/news/trump-administration-uses-wartime-powers-to-be-first-in-line-on-medical-supplies-ppe/


Democrats demanding trump use DPA for PPE

https://www.warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2020/5/warner-colleagues-urge-trump-to-immediately-use-dpa-to-manufacture-ppe-covid-19-testing-supplies

i've already sourced about claims on ventilators and efficacy of masks; is there anything still unsourced in your eyes?

like people dont even realize, he hit 3m with the DPA because 3m was selling the masks overseas instead of to the states. He whomped them over the head with the DPA and bought out their entire stock so they couldn't keep shipping them overseas. there was NEVER any confiscation - only the fed doing exactly what the states empowered the fed to do.

lol, you are really trying here huh? Neither of those "sources" are good links. It is well known that Trump delayed using the DPA to force companies to make PPE for several weeks. He threatened to use it, he said he was gonna use it, but he didn't pull the trigger for a long time.

You didn't actually source Trump using the DPA to generate PPE. All you did was link him ordering states to sell mats to the USA first, and the Dems asking him to use the DPA. You don't get credit for "sourcing things" when your sources don't show relevant information.

So, didn't read it then.


From the actual study, which, sadly, is behind another paywall. So, I only quoted the abstract for you.

To be honest, quit while you can, because if you continue down this road, you will find yourself with a 3-year-long or greater section ban.

Take it from somebody who knows.....

are

i am actually dumbfounded by your willful ignorance.

even when cold hard evidence is in your face.... you are still doubling down.

i cant believe i have to say this but: you cant use the dpa to force a company to produce a product they are already producing. "HEY THAT THING YOUR MAKING A TON OF? MAKE MORE!". it doesnt work like that. you can only use the dpa for two things:

The first is to procure stock from them

The second is to force an unrelated company, like say a car company, to produce an item that they dont normally produce, like a ventilator.

you can even read in the same article, that trump's policy was always to not force companies to produce things, that he'd rather ask them to do it, without forcing them to do it. He only forced 3M because again, they were EXPORTING PPE to other countries in a time of a dire domestic PPE Shortage.

I can't read things behind pay walls.

I would say "get gud son" but...you live in Austin, and therefor are already defective.

So, I forgive you.

lol, your veering way off track here, and literally just said nothing in this post. I am well aware of what the DPA can be used for. The point is, Trump could have and should have used the DPA to force companies to produce PPE much sooner than he did, because those companies were indeed, not producing PPE, and it was desperately needed. We know all of this, no amount of revising history is going to change what actually happened.

People need to remember that this whole situation is unprecedented.

We had zero knowledge on what to do. We were basing our information on a pandemic that hasn't occurred in almost 100 years, and seemed to have forgotten simple things like the advances in technology and medical science. Even our "experts" were using the Spanish Flu as basis for the lockdown.

We learned. Let's try not to forget. That is what Texas is doing right now. Instead of going back to the lockdown, we are trying to remain open by using best practices to curb this disease.

because you dont have a point other than orange man bad.

He doesnt use the DPA for PPE because companies were already producing it willingly - hes evil
He uses the DPA because people were selling PPE to other countries - hes evil.


make up your mind. you cant have it both ways. trump cant be evil no matter what he does; and if he is in your mind, then you need help.

Lol, again with your rewriting of history. Companies were not producing PPE and Trump did not do anything about it for weeks, when he could have.

Tell that to Ford. Or GM. Or GE. Or MyPillow. Hell, the Toyota plant in San Antonio shut down Toyota production just to produce masks for health-care workers.

Just because you didn't personally go to these factories and see the production yourself doesn't mean they didn't happen.

All things I'm very aware of.

If you were aware of it, then you made a false statement:

They were, well before Trump even hinted at enacting the Defense Production Act.

You also made another false statement:

He specifically stated that these companies were doing it themselves, and only threatened, then enforced, 3M with it when they were selling PPE equipment outside of the US while being made here.

Let me ask you this: Do you want Trump to be a dictator?

this absolutely DID happen.

Trump asked American manufacturing to help, and they did. he didnt demand that they did, he didnt force them to, he asked them to help, and they did. Thats powerful ***right there - that they said 'ok no problem. well do it and you dont have to use the laws to force us'. but congress wasnt happy with that, they DEMANDED time and time again that he use the DPA for ventilators and PPE.

its a good hing he NEVER used it on ventilators because We NEVER ran out of ventilators thanks to the efforts of those companies. we NEVER ran out of sanitizer thanks to so many alcohol manufacturing plants switching over to isopropyl instead of drinking alcohol. we also NEVER ran out of PPE- we only ever struggled in PPE because 3m the largest PPE provider in the country decided they wanted to be greedy shills and wanted to turn an easy buck by selling that direly needed PPE gear to other countries who were paying them more.

but again, my points were NEVER about PPE. those were points raised by rooks, to which every point he raised as a pointless counterstance narrative of 'orangeman unmitigatedly bad disaster' was either questionable, or demonstrably false. my point was SPECIFICALLY about this drug showing positive effects in an american based study, running contrary to the prior studies showing it was increasing mortality rates - the same studies that were effectively proven to be fake.

You just described Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS). Those suffering from this affliction can't see anything other then "Orange Man Bad". They can't be reasoned with, debated with, talked to or otherwise engaged with. Attempting to do so is just wasting your time and energy. The only logical solution is to just block them and continue with your day. The left and their media networks has spent a good amount of time and money spreading TDS as far as possible as an election strategy.

How many times have I told you guys, just block Vic and friends, your not gonna be able to talk to them and they are just going to continue attacking people with impunity.

Then this forum would be 2 great big echo chambers.

We don't want that....it's already hinting towards that....

i know TDS is real - theres actually medical and psychology companies/schools working on documenting the phenomenon right now.

My problem is, that i CANT abandon dialogue no matter how much it hurts my brain to do so. i say this not out of stubbornness to be right, but out of stubborness not to be a hypocrite. What you're suggesting is no better than what they are doing- that willful disregard of a difference of opinion and stance. i get what you're saying in that there's no way to reason with these people, but if i don't at the very least try, then all hope is lost and we might as well just get it over with now and just *** kill each other until one side is right by default.

i dont want that outcome. i want the outcome where we can talk about these things, get heated or not, and still come to a common ground understanding. like i can come to the middle on trumps defects - hes a good president in some regards, but awful in others. i want that to be the norm again. i hate it because half of my friends are on one side of the fence, and the other half are on the other, and its making it impossible for me to talk about anything without someone getting butthurt.

Ah yes, the coward Saevel speaks and says nothing.


I'm saying this right now, I'm not doing quote chains. So, with that out of the way, I did not make any false statements. All those companies you mentioned were dragging *** out of the gate. Trump first brought up the DPA in early March, when he should have used it but didn't. Instead he waited for weeks until the companies finally got going. Everyone knows the eventual outcome the companies produced. But they could have gotten there a lot faster and the benefits would have made a difference. No amount of attempts to rewrite history is going to bring back the 2 months that Trump wasted against this pandemic.

was that the two months before or after they were impeaching him? was that the two months before or after he stopped travel to/from china?
was that the two months before or after he tried to do the same to europe but faced massive backlash?


saying trump did nothing and just let this happen is disingenuous. idc if he said the impeachment didnt preoccupy him or not. hes probably lying if he said it didnt, because i dont know anyone who WASNT preoccupied by that.

We all have the gift of hindsight. he did not because he was taking care of it in the moment. could he have done better? absolutely. did he do a bad job? Absolutely not. with the information he had, and the climate of our country- he absolutely did an acceptable job.

Lol at the idea that Trump did an "acceptable job," but good job trying to make up excuses for him. Rooks was correct when he said his response has been an unmitigated disaster and it remains so. To this day, Trump is doing a horrible job responding to covid.

you want to talk about who did a bad job?
lets talk about cuomo. HE did a bad job. Perhaps the worst job of ANYONE in this entire ordeal. His state accounted for a THIRD of the deaths Almost entirely comprised of elderly deaths because he ordered that old folks homes couldnt turn away residents who potentially had covid. that absolutely MORONIC move killed more people than any other action anyone took in this entire ordeal.

"BUT NY HAS SO MANY PEOPLE".

so does florida, california, and texas, yet they had ten times less deaths than NY. but yes, lets blame trump for that one too yea?