A Summoner's Gear Guide
A Summoner's Gear Guide
I like the idea of this thread. I had to go through peoples luas to figure out what gear people were using. That being said:
You should list an AM3 set for multi hit bloodpacts where you favor more BP damage and last multihit.
According to a post from pergatory I read, Apogee +1 beats out Enticers at around 1500 total TP (Including merit bonus and avatar current TP)
You should list an AM3 set for multi hit bloodpacts where you favor more BP damage and last multihit.
According to a post from pergatory I read, Apogee +1 beats out Enticers at around 1500 total TP (Including merit bonus and avatar current TP)
eliroo said: »
You should list an AM3 set for multi hit bloodpacts where you favor more BP damage and last multihit.
The Advanced set I posted is more or less what I use when AM3 is up, it could be tweaked I dont doubt.
For the Advanced BP Recast set, how low does that get your BP Recast? Is 5/5 Baayami+1 actually necessary? Surely a Master'd summoner doesn't need ALL of that summoning skill, or does it actually bump us up another Favor tier?
Same question for the ward set: Does all that summoning skill actually matter for our Wards, does all that skill edge us up into another tier?
Same question for the ward set: Does all that summoning skill actually matter for our Wards, does all that skill edge us up into another tier?
soralin said: »
For the Advanced BP Recast set, how low does that get your BP Recast? Is 5/5 Baayami+1 actually necessary? Surely a Master'd summoner doesn't need ALL of that summoning skill, or does it actually bump us up another Favor tier?
Same question for the ward set: Does all that summoning skill actually matter for our Wards, does all that skill edge us up into another tier?
Same question for the ward set: Does all that summoning skill actually matter for our Wards, does all that skill edge us up into another tier?
Q1: 21 sec I think with maxed out smn skill, so you get 1sec more or less which is well, up to ppl who want that.
Q2: Skill add duration. Maybe potency for Enspells from what I can see on bgwiki.
Cool thread, the sets look pretty good at first glance.
More specific answer to Q1: There's a favor tier at 670 skill that's hard to hit. You do need all that +1 gear if you want to hit the 670 tier (21s) with Nirvana/Grip locked for AM3. If you don't have weapon locked and can swap Espiritus/Vox Grip for 18 more summoning skill, then you can actually get away with much less +1 gear, but you do still need at least one +1 piece.
And Q2: There are no tiers for ward duration, every point of skill matters. With the set posted, Hastega II will last about 9:45.
Edit: Some of the advanced sets could probably use Kobo Obi instead of Lucidity Sash.
More specific answer to Q1: There's a favor tier at 670 skill that's hard to hit. You do need all that +1 gear if you want to hit the 670 tier (21s) with Nirvana/Grip locked for AM3. If you don't have weapon locked and can swap Espiritus/Vox Grip for 18 more summoning skill, then you can actually get away with much less +1 gear, but you do still need at least one +1 piece.
And Q2: There are no tiers for ward duration, every point of skill matters. With the set posted, Hastega II will last about 9:45.
Edit: Some of the advanced sets could probably use Kobo Obi instead of Lucidity Sash.
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Asura.Pergatory said: »
Edit: Some of the advanced sets could probably use Kobo Obi instead of Lucidity Sash.
I'll change those to Kobo Obi, ty.
Wotasu said: »
Q1: 21 sec I think with maxed out smn skill, so you get 1sec more or less which is well up to ppl who want that.
Q2: Skill add duration. Maybe potency for Enspells from what I can see on bgwiki.
Q2: Skill add duration. Maybe potency for Enspells from what I can see on bgwiki.
Oh I just mathed it out and see what you mean, that is pretty hard to hit 670 skill even as a mastered Smn with nirvana. You literally need to pull out ALL of the stops to hit the 21s delay, thats crazy!
Thanks for sharing!
Thats exactly what I said.
Hitting 670 skill with nirvana is difficult even if you are Mastered.
Hitting 670 skill with nirvana is difficult even if you are Mastered.
idle/perp is missing pieces
ItemSet 346317
ItemSet 346317
soralin said: »
Thats exactly what I said.
Hitting 670 skill with nirvana is difficult even if you are Mastered.
Hitting 670 skill with nirvana is difficult even if you are Mastered.
the set isn't really for saving tp while precasting for 21s, it's more for a perp neutral (or even slight refresh)670 idle for max favor, which basically needs nirvana in main slot to do.
Asura.Frod said: »
idle/perp is missing pieces
ItemSet 346317
ItemSet 346317
Ah yes you're correct, I had prep -17 while it only needs -15, I edited it. I guess your merlinic's are DM augmented with refresh+2?
Wotasu said: »
Asura.Frod said: »
idle/perp is missing pieces
ItemSet 346317
ItemSet 346317
Ah yes you're correct, I had prep -17 while it only needs -15, I edited it. I guess your merlinic's are DM augmented with refresh+2?
Technically you could go further with a poisontaster's cape, but nobody goes that far.
Asura.Frod said: »
soralin said: »
Thats exactly what I said.
Hitting 670 skill with nirvana is difficult even if you are Mastered.
Hitting 670 skill with nirvana is difficult even if you are Mastered.
the set isn't really for saving tp while precasting for 21s, it's more for a perp neutral (or even slight refresh)670 idle for max favor, which basically needs nirvana in main slot to do.
I'm confused, what's the point of having 670 skill if you lose the benefit of the head piece for favor? i thought the boost it provide counted for the bp recast. was i misstaken?
Asura.Ajirha said: »
Asura.Frod said: »
soralin said: »
Thats exactly what I said.
Hitting 670 skill with nirvana is difficult even if you are Mastered.
Hitting 670 skill with nirvana is difficult even if you are Mastered.
the set isn't really for saving tp while precasting for 21s, it's more for a perp neutral (or even slight refresh)670 idle for max favor, which basically needs nirvana in main slot to do.
I'm confused, what's the point of having 670 skill if you lose the benefit of the head piece for favor? i thought the boost it provide counted for the bp recast. was i misstaken?
All the precast sets has Beckoners horn+1 in them.
ItemSet 366325
This set if my math is correct lands on 678 skill @ Master.
469 Base Skill Merits & Master
Baayami+1 x4 37+33+35+29 = 134
Beck.Horn+1 13
Neck/Rings/Waist/Cape/Strap/Earrings - 10+8+10+8+13+3+5+5 = 62
No one on my server really makes Baayami +1 gear. So if I'm reading this right I could still get 21 seconds with Espiritus / Vox Grip if I use just one +1 Baayami piece (like feet, I have those) and an HQ Stikini Ring with the rest of the set looking the same (accessory wise and having NQ baayami pieces instead of HQ)?
Wotasu said: »
Asura.Ajirha said: »
Asura.Frod said: »
soralin said: »
Thats exactly what I said.
Hitting 670 skill with nirvana is difficult even if you are Mastered.
Hitting 670 skill with nirvana is difficult even if you are Mastered.
the set isn't really for saving tp while precasting for 21s, it's more for a perp neutral (or even slight refresh)670 idle for max favor, which basically needs nirvana in main slot to do.
I'm confused, what's the point of having 670 skill if you lose the benefit of the head piece for favor? i thought the boost it provide counted for the bp recast. was i misstaken?
All the precast sets has Beckoners horn+1 in them.
ItemSet 366325
This set if my math is correct lands on 676 skill @ Master.
469 Base Skill Merits & Master
Baayami+1 x4 37+33+35+29 = 134
Beck.Horn+1 13
Neck/Rings/Waist/Cape/Strap/Earrings - 10+8+10+8+13+3+5+3 = 60
That set isn't Mana neutral is it?
What do you mean with mana neutral?
I dont own any +1's for Baayami so I cant answer anyway :x
I dont own any +1's for Baayami so I cant answer anyway :x
0=0+0+0+0
164=134+0+30+0
203=123+55+0+25
242=100+20+73+49
609MP
ItemSet 366317
0=0+0+0+0
173=98+0+50+25
234=165+44+0+25
108=0+30+29+49
515MP
I think it's MP neutral, if that's what you're referring to.
164=134+0+30+0
203=123+55+0+25
242=100+20+73+49
609MP
ItemSet 366317
0=0+0+0+0
173=98+0+50+25
234=165+44+0+25
108=0+30+29+49
515MP
I think it's MP neutral, if that's what you're referring to.
Sorry I was referring to Perpetuation cost w/ Favor up in that set.
9 Perp
8 Refresh
I think you lose 1 MP / Tick with a normal avatar out in this set?
But I'm tired and haven't had enough coffee yet.
9 Perp
8 Refresh
I think you lose 1 MP / Tick with a normal avatar out in this set?
But I'm tired and haven't had enough coffee yet.
eliroo said: »
Sorry I was referring to Perpetuation cost w/ Favor up in that set.
9 Perp
8 Refresh
I think you lose 1 MP / Tick with a normal avatar out in this set?
But I'm tired and haven't had enough coffee yet.
9 Perp
8 Refresh
I think you lose 1 MP / Tick with a normal avatar out in this set?
But I'm tired and haven't had enough coffee yet.
Well you dont idle in precast gear, so the refresh part is kinda moot, it should be on for like 1 sec at most.
I mean the set is only equipped for a fraction of a second, anyway. I don't know what Frod was smoking when he said the main purpose of the set was for avatar's favor when idling. I have the full set, and even when I want a strong favor effect I don't use it. I got it so I could hit 21s with Nirvana/grip locked and extend my ward durations.
I've posted my actual favor set elsewhere and it only hits the 575 tier because otherwise you're just bleeding MP constantly.
I've posted my actual favor set elsewhere and it only hits the 575 tier because otherwise you're just bleeding MP constantly.
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Oh okay, yeah I thought it was a super favor set for idling and that is why I was confused.
Asura.Pergatory said: »
I mean the set is only equipped for a fraction of a second, anyway. I don't know what Frod was smoking when he said the main purpose of the set was for avatar's favor when idling. I have the full set, and even when I want a strong favor effect I don't use it. I got it so I could hit 21s with Nirvana/grip locked and extend my ward durations.
I've posted my actual favor set elsewhere and it only hits the 575 tier because otherwise you're just bleeding MP constantly.
I've posted my actual favor set elsewhere and it only hits the 575 tier because otherwise you're just bleeding MP constantly.
There are situations where you'd want to sit in a 670 set while keeping up perp/refresh. It's notably hard to hit that -15 while keeping 670, specifically requiring nirvana to do.
Im presuming for acting in the support role using either Ifrit or Shiva, yes?
I often idle with Shiva in Omen farming parties to give Matt to the nukers trying to hit those "do x dmg without magic bursting" and etc, or idle with ifrit out for people trying to spam skillchains.
Stuff like that right?
I often idle with Shiva in Omen farming parties to give Matt to the nukers trying to hit those "do x dmg without magic bursting" and etc, or idle with ifrit out for people trying to spam skillchains.
Stuff like that right?
Ifrit, ramuh or shiva, yes. Favor is pretty ***' potent.
Can't figure out if I should keep my keep my AF+3 Feet for BP or Apogee Pumps +1 path :B which one you guys think would be better?
Quickness said: »
Can't figure out if I should keep my keep my AF+3 Feet for BP or Apogee Pumps +1 path :B which one you guys think would be better?
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