Military Parade - A DD Bard Guide

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 Asura.Geriond
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-08-28 15:16:29  
Unless I'm mistaken, you actually need 12 DW in gear in order to fully hit delay cap with /nin and capped haste.

11 DW: (1 - (0.25 + 0.43375)) * (1 - (0.25 + 0.11)) = 0.2024
12 DW: (1 - (0.25 + 0.43375)) * (1 - (0.25 + 0.12)) = 0.1992375

Adding 1 more DW wastes about 24% of the last DW (while incurring the full tp gain penalty), which I assume is why people suggest 11, but I'm not convinced that's enough to not make it worth going for if 11 and 12 are both options (such as if you're using Reiki Yotai and choosing between Suppanomimi and Eabani).
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By Siren.Kyte 2020-08-28 15:31:34  
The magic haste cap is 43.75%, not 43.375%.
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-08-28 15:39:22  
Well, there's my mistake, haha.
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-09-15 09:33:12  
Updated the official BRD spreadsheet, can find it in the same place as usual.
Can see the details in the "Update" sheet but to make a tl;dr I basically fixed some minor things in the gear list and did a plethora of changes so that now you can select Sword as weapon type and Savage Blade as WS type.
Obviously the 15% WSD bonus is already calculated.

I'm not calculating the Naegling Attack on WS bonus because nobody knows the details of how it works, yet.


Keep in mind the PDIF values in the spreadsheet are still the old ones.
SimonSes has been kind enough to point this out, but I haven't fixed it yet.
This means the final numbers you'll see in the spreadsheet will be lower than the numbers you'll see in-game.
This also means that you won't be able to compare the numbers you get here with the numbers you get for another job in another spreadsheet.

Still, if you want to compare "which piece is gonna be better for the head slot in TP phase?" or "which piece is gonna win in the legs slot for this WS?" then this spreadsheet will already be able to give you a big helping hand in deciding what you want to put in your Lua sets.


As always, any feedback is welcome.
Enjoy!
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By SimonSes 2020-09-15 11:05:20  
Asura.Sechs said: »
Still, if you want to compare "which piece is gonna be better for the head slot in TP phase?" or "which piece is gonna win in the legs slot for this WS?" then this spreadsheet will already be able to give you a big helping hand in deciding what you want to put in your Lua sets.

There will be a little problem with checking whats better for non attack capped scenario, since pdif is much lower, so you will cap much easier. Just something to keep in mind. Also crits have probably bigger impact, because they rise pdif by 1, and +1 is bigger impact for 2.25 than for 3.25, but luckily BRD doesn't use much crit.
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-09-16 02:01:12  
Well you're absolutely right, granted we're talking about situations on the edge.
Instead in any situation where you're absolutely capped or waaay below the cap, the relative numbers should still be a pretty useful instrument for anyone willing to make up choices for their sets.

Either way, hopefully the PDIF will be updated soon.
Once PDIF and ODD/ODT calculations (currently Twashtar still uses the old ODD, should be ODT, whereas Barfawc A should use the old Empy ODD calculations) have been updated, only very small things will be left.
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By SimonSes 2020-09-16 03:42:24  
Edit: rofl I put phone in the pocket (im with kid on the playground) and it posted a blank post :D
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By HyperKTM 2020-09-22 17:26:34  
What would current bis tp/ws sets be for brd naegling/kclub sb spam
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By SimonSes 2020-09-22 17:38:04  
HyperKTM said: »
What would current bis tp/ws sets be for brd naegling/kclub sb spam

That combo is not a good idea. TP bonus dagger will be always better and good luck with accuracy with Kclub on BRD.
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-09-24 10:39:44  
Thanks to Nususu and SimonSes the Spreadsheet has been updated even further, you can find it at the usual place.

This time the PDIF values have been adjusted and PDL has been added, plus some more.

It still needs some minor things (see below)
Can find the spreadsheet at the usual place!


Things still needed
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-09-24 10:48:27  
Meanwhile I did some superficial tests with various MHs and OHs in two situations. Att capped and Att uncapped.
The latter includes just Red Curry Bun, Minu4+5 and Chaos Roll against a 1900 def target.
Acc is capped in all scenarios.
As warned you before, take this as a grain of salt, this test requires much better customization of gear for each different weapon combination.
I used very similar sets instead, which might not take out the full potential of weapons.
(For example I didn't swap to STP-based TP set when testing AM3 up Carn but left the AM3 off set)




(un)surprisingly Ternion +1 R15 owns for R15 Carn main.
Aeneas, despite being disregarded by most, it's not that bad at all and has the advantage of being extremely versatile. As in: it works pretty much the same even if you brain is turned off. No Aftermaths to handle, no special sets to change etc.
Tauret is also quite good for not being an RMEA, at uncapped attck it's arguably one of the best options.

Twashtar/Cento is of course king even for BRD but the acc requirements are gonna make it tough in a lot of content.
Carn/Ternion instead has much better acc requirements and is very close in terms of pure damage output in the end.


Last thing to consider is that setups with Ternion+1 have much less hand specific accuracy for the off hand.
This makes no difference in a setup like this with acc overcapped, and it makes no difference if you're like >50 the acc cap for the MH.
But if you're like ~3 acc above the cap for the MH, this could be consequences for the OH.
This is something to consider.
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By Asura.Botosi 2020-09-24 11:09:45  
Asura.Sechs said: »
Meanwhile I did some superficial tests with various MHs and OHs in two situations. Att capped and Att uncapped.
The latter includes just Red Curry Bun, Minu4+5 and Chaos Roll against a 1900 def target.
Acc is capped in all scenarios.
As warned you before, take this as a grain of salt, this test requires much better customization of gear for each different weapon combination.
I used very similar sets instead, which might not take out the full potential of weapons.
(For example I didn't swap to STP-based TP set when testing AM3 up Carn but left the AM3 off set)




(un)surprisingly Ternion +1 R15 owns for R15 Carn main.
Aeneas, despite being disregarded by most, it's not that bad at all and has the advantage of being extremely versatile. As in: it works pretty much the same even if you brain is turned off. No Aftermaths to handle, no special sets to change etc.
Tauret is also quite good for not being an RMEA, at uncapped attck it's arguably one of the best options.

Twashtar/Cento is of course king even for BRD but the acc requirements are gonna make it tough in a lot of content.
Carn/Ternion instead has much better acc requirements and is very close in terms of pure damage output in the end.


Last thing to consider is that setups with Ternion+1 have much less hand specific accuracy for the off hand.
This makes no difference in a setup like this with acc overcapped, and it makes no difference if you're like >50 the acc cap for the MH.
But if you're like ~3 acc above the cap for the MH, this could be consequences for the OH.
This is something to consider.

How's Naegling/Cento lookin in this scenario??
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By SimonSes 2020-09-24 11:16:30  
Asura.Sechs said: »


Pretty sure thats without Samurai roll? Samurai roll will benefit Carn even more.
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-09-24 12:24:20  
Absolutely yes to both things Simon.

@Botosi
I tested daggers, but I implemented naegling and savage blade two updates ago. If you wanna test it feel free to.
But will you be able to face the shame afterwards?!
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By Asura.Botosi 2020-09-24 12:30:42  
Asura.Sechs said: »
Absolutely yes to both things Simon.

@Botosi
I tested daggers, but I implemented naegling and savage blade two updates ago. If you wanna test it feel free to.
But will you be able to face the shame afterwards?!

So much shame. It's for my mule who I'm debating on whether to do Yagrush or Carn first :( :( :(
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-09-24 13:31:15  
Either way I get roughly 1205 // 4000
But I'm not using the best set, just Lustratio+1 and something else.
Either way, if it really comes out Naegling/Savage Blade is behind Twash R15/Cento and R15 Carn, I'll be REALLY surprised!
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-09-24 13:36:39  
Edit:
fixed the Lustratio +1 set bonus!
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By SimonSes 2020-09-24 13:55:27  
Asura.Sechs said: »
Either way I get roughly 1205 // 4000
But I'm not using the best set, just Lustratio+1 and something else.
Either way, if it really comes out Naegling/Savage Blade is behind Twash R15/Cento and R15 Carn, I'll be REALLY surprised!

Btw I plugged in my chironic tp pieces to my copy and added samurai roll +80storetp and on Tojil with capped att/acc Im getting 5621 DPS
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By Asura.Biglovin 2020-09-25 16:08:09  
So I'm in the wonderful process of augmenting Linos' and the BG site is messing with me. Doing Leafslit +1s for Double Attack and I keep getting Breath Damage - taken and Skillchain Damage which shows on BG's chart to be possible with Leaftips but not -slits. Is that Chart not correct?
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-09-25 17:24:22  
Afaik DA on Linos is Leafslit
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By Asura.Sechs 2020-09-26 10:36:42  
I have no clue what that is, but regardless this is the DD BRD thread, you should probably ask in the default BRD thread.
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