Killer Instinct: The Beastmaster Compendium

There is far more trusts that throws random mab, mdb, acc and other rare buffs that players wont give you and you still get song, rolls and regular buffs too.

You can also switch Trusts if needed :)

As far as a solo exp scenerio goes which ones would you give up for those though? Can't think of any that give a full time buff outside of the aura ones, assuming those count anyway, and none of those really fill in the stuff youd likely miss out on, if you have another player who can come as a support then yeah that opens up some options in composition

Is there a consensus on best Naegling/Savage Blade setup offhand (or single wield for Fencer)? I guess I see the main contenders as:

Fencer (no offhand): TP Bonus +630 (w/ gifts), Crit rate +7%, but no DW = slower TP gain. Also allows for use of a shield, which might not add a lot of DPS (i.e., no Blurred +1 for BST), but there are some options with good utility (Beatific +1 for MDT-25%, Sacro or Adapa for DT-10%/5%, Acc from the BST-equippable Unity shields, etc.)

Barbarity +1: WSD+8%, STR+28, Atk+50

Ternion +1 R15: WSD+5%, very low delay, TA+4%, Acc+67 that applies to both hands (even if the offhand hits have to account for relatively low total dagger skill)

Fernagu: TP Bonus +1000, but low acc and no other perks

Agwu's Axe: WSD+5%, STP+10, strong acc/atk, pet stats if situationally relevant for stuff like ready move acc/macc.

outside of cases where you have the acc to use tp bonus OH, id imagine barbarity to be the better OH, even accounting for the increase in TP gain that ternion+1 provides unless you need that extra acc, could be mistaken though.

Yeah, I recall Barbarity +1 being a pretty good WAR offhand for that situation... just not enough to overcome WAR's incredible Fencer capability with Blurred +1, Warcry TP Bonus, higher Fencer trait, etc. Since BST doesn't have those tools, sounds like a really strong option.

Though that discussion in the WAR forum was quite a while ago, and prob since before Ternion +1 augments and Agwu's Axe even existed.

Depends which ones you have.

Ulmia 2 songs
Joachim 2 songs
Monberaux shell/prot and up to 10 other buffs?
Arciela Haste II, 4 buffs TP move
Quleta 2 rolls

Would be very good combo for many buffs and also pretty standard setup with healer, enfeebling, 4 songs and 2 rolls.

Mon's great I just wouldnt consider him a default to have due to the time gate, Arc's alright but comes with her own baggage of aoe TP move, Ygnas is the same issue + time gating/quest stuff, otherwise yeah they'd be good swap ins. Don't know if id use 2 brd trusts honestly, specially in that players case where it seems like shan is putting in good work, likely in part due to the mdb down.

Arciela also has the downside of being the only RDM trust without Dia III, which can be pretty significant when solo and only getting trust buffs and uncapped atk. I do use her a lot, but sometimes I swap her with Koru specifically for Dia.

Sylvie (UC) is my girl. I'll take that Atk+37.5% Fury and entrust Frailty (mob DEF-12.5%), and she's pretty good at helping out with cures/-na.

Yeah, I wish ygnas didnt (seem) to favor his silly aoe move so I didn't feel like id be better off with yoran cause sylvie is very nice for a trust, really wish they'd add more good healer trusts

Imo.. Fernagu > KC > Crepuscular > Agwu > Barbarity = R15Ternion

Does GEO frailty stack with pet debuff?

Also, am I wrong to think that the MAB on Nyame and the 25% mdef down from Swooping Zhivago affects the light proc?

GEO buffs/debuffs are seperate from everything else, and stack with everything.

Unless I'm mistaken, SC dmg doesnt change based on mdb and such, just from things like SC dmg+ traits/equip, if a monster has a weakness to a certain element and so on. MAB and the like doesnt do anything either to the SC.

Also another thing to consider if you're able to do so is swap over to the courel pet and toss yourself an atk boost, at max TP it lasts around 9 minutes for a 20% atk increase

Thanks!


I don't think that would work here. Gaston has no physical ready moves. Zhivago is there for killer instinct VS aquans, def down and most importantly a Fusion opener for Savage Blade. In my case Savage Blade itself is doing between 25 to 35k. The Light proc is doing 45 to 75k. This is why I was wondering about magic debuff affecting skill chain procs. 2/3 of my skill chain damage is from the Light, not the SB.

apex crabs take 150% from thunder. light sc will target which of the elements it does based on mob weaknesses. so that lines up. also because of this, on thunder day or weather you can use elemental obi instead of of sailfi belt and get a stronger closer as well.

That's why youd just pop him out and either save up for the ready move and then recall him, or use the move immediately and swap, it can just be a burden on space/money potentially hence why I put if you were able to, can do the same with the sheep but that -def% can be a detriment if you are the one taking the hits. Whole point is to bump your WS dmg, since that in turn boosts the sc dmg, why SC dmg equipment is often sidelined for raw WSD/other beneficial stats, because boosting the WS will often be a bigger gain than just adding SC bonus equipment.


SC page also says that affinity effects SC dmg as well, would o.sash also be a good rep for a closing WS?

it would be better, i just mentioned obi as an example that it will target the strongest element if they aren't equal.

Right, just wanted to make sure, id never bothered to check the SC page, so wasn't aware affinity also boosted it, good to know.

Yep, agreed. If you could take that damn AoE off from Ygnas it would really solve things. Ygnas's Phototrophic Wrath 60sec Haste II effect can also be annoying when it overwrites your existing longer haste, and then the 60 sec one drops in short order - often leaving you without haste for some time until trusts can re-apply it.

Though, with Mon + Sylvie they can often handle any healing needs without an additional healer, and you can supplement them with a non-Ygnas/non-UC healer if really necessary (Apururu is my usual choice, and sometimes Selh'teus is sufficient). If using a tank trust, Valaineral's recent changes with Majesty cures can also help lessen the need for more trust healing. But yeah, dude's gonna AoE things if you are in tight quarters, so not always a viable tank for a given situation.

I do sorta wish there was a way to get Sylvie to give Indi-haste to jobs other than NIN RUN PLD, since she can nearly cap haste by herself: 28.8% Indi-Haste and she's good about keeping Haste I up on any main job. It's nice to not have to use (often unreliable) BRD trusts to cap haste, and you don't even need a RDM trust from a haste perspective (but RDM enfeebles can be something you won't want to give up).

Overall, there's no real equivalent to Sylvie so I am very comfortable sticking with her. The non-UC WHMs are not necessarily optimal, but you have enough options to get essentially the same job done - especially once Monberaux is unlocked. I actually keep Yoran UC on my 2nd account, so I'm quite familiar with him too and can pull him out when dual-boxing if I really wanted to... but that almost never actually happens cause I don't like losing Sylvie.

Yeah, im just stuck behind the RoE grind currently so mon's a lil ways away. Mon was a great cure to the healer problem, hes just got an awful requirement, when it would be really nice if they could just upgrade all the healer trusts to atleast near yoran level of reliability that or simply let us get the unity trusts regardless of which UC we're in, even some of the DDs have some utility but i aint giving up sylvie for it

Is there any way to improve the regen effect of "Stay"?

only by adding more pet:regen, not worth it to carry around due to space limits but i guess thatll be alleviated a bit soon

My problem with ulmia and joachim is that they both cast ballad/paeon.

I started with

Sylvie
KoH
Qultada
Ulmia
Joachim

...but KoH refresh apparently is not enough so either ulmia or joachim cast ballad.
So i swapped ulmia with shantottoII cause she's a MB freak and it helps alot.

Still, not convinced yet haha

That is something that kinda got bypassed. In my parse Shantotto II was doing around 700 DPS with MB. That is not bad at all for a trust. I take her over Qultada because he interupts SC all too often and fighter's roll tends to last for the first roll and then its evokers. Chaos is fine enough I guess.

Edit: I don't think that any trust adding instead of Shantotto II would increase my personal DPS by 700. Anyone disagree?

If you can get to the point you can just multi-step it down then you could probably ditch her, she's good for that extra MB dps, and you can somewhat predict what her SC contribution will be but rlying on her contribution can sometimes be slowing you down. Common bst example would be deci > sweeping gouge > deci > deci in a heavy MA setup, but you were saying you had trouble getting TP in time with that kind of setup.

Depending on how much hp is left this can also save you on healing as you can just toss the hate over to the razz after the 3rd or 4th step and then repeat, this way you (hopefully) dont trigger dumb AI to give up DPS songs for mp restorals

For argument's sake, Ayame.

Please elaborate. Ayame doesn't chain well with Decimation. Is she good with SB? I don't see the upside of her on SC opener vs pet.

PS for everyone else, I tested with Dolichenus.

Dolichenus M/H Agwu's O/H
DPS Sample Time 25 mins
-------------------------------Total--------Percent-----DPS
Skillchain Damage-----1,490,493-------27.60%---973.51
White Damage---------1,998,987-------37.00%---1305.67
Shantotto II--------------748,080-------19.60%---685.68
Total DPS 3526.1

To be fair, this was same crabs and pugil's. Killer Instinct not working for me. I could do this on Raptor's in Mog Gates but I really don't think KI would make the difference.

This is the over all point I was trying to make, it really seems to me that Savage blade with fencer is literally more damage than dual wield axes.

https://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/383584
This is my Decimation set. No Gleti's augs. 30 STR 10 DA on cape. Lugra's Earring R15.

Literally a 900 DPS deficit vs Savage Blade.

probably got lost in the weeds but already said naeg savage is really good, don't think anyone will disagree naeg savage is/can be ahead of most axe setups, other jobs have similar reports vs their preferred weapon type.

Main takeaway I got was that you were atk starved, as shown from the /war example being so far ahead of the others, so for atk was suggesting swapping in atk boost from pet when possible, foods another consideration, grape daifuku is a cheap/effective boost to acc/atk, if you want more atk focus red curry bun can be bought from curio moogle for cheap.

As for the deci set you really want MA, tali body +2, meghanda legs+2, valor boots/hands with DA augs(can also use argosy+1 i guess), while the atk on gleti's is nice the pdl is the main draw and you aint making any use of that with the tools you got with just trusts, guess lastly what's your dw tp set?

This is more or less the point of my first post on the subject. I find it repellant but true.

drg/nin/brd/thf agree, probably missed a job or two, its disgustingly strong for a weapon said jobs have low skill/weapon selection in, to the point of being the go-to option for max dps. Dagger is competitive atleast thanks to rudras being disgusting too but its still fairly close.

If found this, or even just sweeping > deci > deci, to beat anything I could do with naegling when I was grinding some jp on bst. SC dmg is just so strong on apex. I had to use blurred+1 offhand to reliably hit the 4step though so might be no good until 100jp.