On Healing Hands - A Comprehensive WHM Guide (V2)

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By Jimmyballsack 2018-03-12 14:44:39  
You don't get to play the clever John Oliver card after having your *** served, btw.
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2018-03-12 14:57:07  
I cure in Dark Staff, not even Pluto's because i can't invest even that into WHM
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By Boshi 2018-03-12 15:07:06  
Jimmyballsack said: »
You don't get to play the clever John Oliver card after having your *** served, btw.

Clever and john olviver used in a setence??
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2018-03-12 15:13:25  
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Lol.

Just stop. Hitting highest maximum cure is pointless if all you do is over cure. I know that concept might trigger your autism but it needs to be considered when talking white mage. For the last time, be realistic. Let's move on. Let's keep things relevant.

If all you do is overcure, why bother with any improvements? Tamaxchi, Bokwus Gloves, Alaunus cape, Eber Body/Legs. Done. The truth is much simpler, you don't want to accept that Raetic could have a use because you either can't accept change or don't like the thought of dropping that much gil on it to be up to date.

Overcures are never completely wasted, they're still bumping up your cureskin.
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By Justuas 2018-03-13 13:33:16  
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Not enough to whine for pages and then delete it all when feeling wrong, got this in PM this morning

I just wanted to clear up that I am not selling Raetic Rod +1 and have acquired two for my own use. Mods should really do something about this ***, though.
He's right about you cheating tho.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2018-03-13 13:36:06  
Yea, I cheat. Not sure why everyone's pissy about it today. Need me to shout it from a rooftop? Everyone knows I cheat. You're a broken record.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-03-13 13:36:30  
He's not wrong. (Partially).

You jumped on the raetic is dabes pretty hard after being certain it wasn't as good as chatoyant without even looking.

His second half is right, but meh, it's not something we don't all know.

This is about as far off topic as you can possibly get though so isn't worth pursuing, and you shouldn't be posting PM's in the thread.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2018-03-13 13:38:57  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
You jumped on the raetic is dabes pretty hard after being certain it wasn't as good as chatoyant without even looking.
The original quote you pointed out 3+ pages ago was in regards to NQ.

Leviathan.Comeatmebro said:
10 cure pot II is weaker than 10% weather term from chatoyant staff, and /sch can aurorastorm itself to activate it

Asura.Eiryl said:
Having 20% I and 10% II would free up space for mnd/vit/skill/enm- in other slots though.

No idea if it ends up being better, but there's been no mention of it at all. Obviously it's the whm thread, but for the other jobs that can use it you generally won't have aurastorms.

Leviathan.Comeatmebro said:
the 10% II is irrelevant, since it's being compared to chatoyant's weather term and losing.. chatoyant still has 10% I so really you're only getting an extra 10% I to work with.. and you can't add very much with that

it's pretty clear cut, chatoyant is better for whm, other jobs may benefit but they also don't have the luxury of nearly free cures to rely on
No mention of the Cure+50, which makes the difference. You used the cure potency number from a NQ rod. NQ raetic straight up loses to Chatoyant, as was stated back then.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-03-13 13:43:08  
I never said anything about nq or hq. All i said was "is it worth using" or echoed a previous posts question.

I mentioned the cure potency on the nq, i wasn't asking about the nq specifically.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2018-03-13 13:44:01  
You asked if it was worth using and mentioned the stats of NQ(20 cure pot instead of 23), the rest of the discussion didn't have +1 mentioned even once. I specifically addressed the stats of NQ, made no mention of the "Cure"+ exclusive to HQ. It's a 4 month old post that really shouldn't have been brought up at all, but should be obvious it was in regards to NQ. I don't know why it's so important to try to prove me wrong.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-03-13 13:45:09  
When in the history of the universe has anyone asked "hey is this good" and wasn't immediately told "get the HQ"

HQ is always assumed.

Then the follow up, "is nq ok"
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2018-03-13 13:52:32  
I don't know how I can spell this out more clearly.

My post assessed the stats of NQ versus Chatoyant. You can see that by looking at the numbers, I stated 20 cure potency and did not mention "Cure"+50.

Your post mentioned the stats of NQ. You stated 20 cure potency.

The HQ has 23 cure potency.

Are you seriously still running with this? Sure, I was talking about HQ and just happened to do so using NQ stats..

Why were we talking about NQ? I don't know. Escutcheons hadn't crashed the entire market yet and requiring a rune weapon as a material was quite the roadblock. HQ probably still seemed unattainable.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-03-13 13:53:34  
You of all people know god damn well anytime someone askes about NQ HQ gets brought up with it.

DO you even own one piece of gear that's NQ, get *** real.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2018-03-13 13:55:49  
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said:
10 cure pot II is weaker than 10% weather term from chatoyant staff, and /sch can aurorastorm itself to activate it
No mention of either piece, saying that the potency is weaker than storm.

Leviathan.Comeatmebro said:
the 10% II is irrelevant, since it's being compared to chatoyant's weather term and losing.. chatoyant still has 10% I so really you're only getting an extra 10% I to work with.. and you can't add very much with that

it's pretty clear cut, chatoyant is better for whm, other jobs may benefit but they also don't have the luxury of nearly free cures to rely on
I said the exact difference in %, 10. If I was talking about HQ, it would have said 13. Seriously, what is wrong with this thread. Do you get a trophy if you convince someone I was wrong 4 months ago..? I have no idea what I was thinking at the time or why I was talking about NQ, but it is pretty clear that I was.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-03-13 14:00:59  
Just *** admit you were wrong jesus christ. It happens.

You didn't know how good the +1 was and you ***on it without even looking. ***. It's not that hard. No one *** cares if you're wrong occasionally.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2018-03-13 14:04:29  
I honestly can't tell you if I was thinking of NQ or +1 at the time of a post 4 months ago, because I don't catalogue every post I make with supporting evidence.

Looking at the post, it is explicitly outlining and comparing the stats of NQ. There is no reason to believe I was talking about HQ that I can see. If I was looking at HQ, I would likely have at least made some comment about the value of the "Cure"+ or used the cure potency amount from HQ. At the time, there had only been one HQ sold on any AH, a 500m self sale on Ragnarok. My impression is that I considered HQ out of reach and not worth discussion at the time.

If I was thinking of HQ, then I was wrong. Once the topic was pulled back up, I ran numbers and posted appropriate information confirming that HQ is in fact better than Chatoyant in terms of cure amount.

This is utterly ridiculous, you're carrying on just to try to prove I was wrong 4 months ago. I have obviously acknowledged and supported the current situation in the interest of spreading correct information.
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2018-03-15 13:46:23  
I'm super late to this party. The positive outcome of this debate is that, should anyone find a situation wherein they wish they could cure for more and aren't as concerned about their MP, they could invest in HQ.
I think that is a very powerful discovery. If the need never arises, that's okay. But to have the option should such a need arise is awesome.
I think it is really cool when people begin with one belief and then run the numbers to discover a different conclusion.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2018-03-15 13:56:43  
I'm not even sure the outcome to be honest. As soon as the jabbering started I stopped reading the thread. CW, can you summarize for me quick?
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2018-03-15 14:01:13  
read the thread you lazy ***
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2018-03-15 14:07:07  
tl;dr just make a party of tarus as they have less HP to heal
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By Fenrir.Cherrywine 2018-03-15 14:13:00  
I think Comeatmebro did a great job of illustrating the benefits, costs and outcome, so I'll summarize with his our quotes. If there are any errors, it is likely on my part and due to how I condensed the discussion.

Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Of course you remember you're spending 30%(or more) extra mp on cures, that's why it's not a given that it's useful.. but it's pretty obvious the +1 does outdo chatoyant in raw curing power due to the Cure+50. You aren't instantly emptying your MP pool, if it dwindles after 20 minutes of a long event you could pop an elixir to keep going without any downtime. 10 seconds of use per 20 minutes is not a significant cost to performance. With buffs, good mp management, etc.. you may not even notice MP loss when using Raetic. If you do notice, that's why toggles exist.

For that 30% or so increase in MP cost, a WHM would get:

Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Tested lower cures, combined all into one post. Numbers in parentheses are estimates for glorious earring inserted into empty ear slot.

ItemSet 357301
Raetic Setup - Path B Mitra/Boots
Aurorastorm1
Cure1: 345 (349.10)
Cure2: 546 (552.50)
Cure3: 1035 (1047.32)
Cure4: 1789 (1810.29)
Cure5: 2141 (2166.48)
Cure6: 2718 (2750.35)

Aurorastorm2
Cure1: 390 (394.64)
Cure2: 617 (624.34)
Cure3: 1170 (1183.92)
Cure4: 2022 (2046.07)
Cure5: 2420 (2448.80)
Cure6: 3073 (3109.58)


ItemSet 357300
Chatoyant Setup - Path B Mitra, Path D Boots
Aurorastorm1
Cure1: 225 (227.84)
Cure2: 430 (435.44)
Cure3: 930 (941.77)
Cure4: 1701 (1722.53)
Cure5: 2060 (2086.07)
Cure6: 2651 (2684.55)

Aurorastorm2
Cure1: 252 (255.18)
Cure2: 481 (487.08)
Cure3: 1035 (1048.10)
Cure4: 1905 (1929.11)
Cure5: 2307 (2336.20)
Cure6: 2969 (3006.58)
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By Asura.Haymitch 2018-03-31 01:22:40  
Hello! is there updated Stoneskin set or something I overlooked. please post your best ones. thanks!
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By whitemage 2018-03-31 10:48:22  
Asura.Haymitch said: »
Hello! is there updated Stoneskin set or something I overlooked. please post your best ones. thanks!

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By geigei 2018-03-31 12:09:42  
Nothing changed.
-Nodens gorget
-Stone mufflers
-Siegel sash
-Earthcry earring
-Shedir seraweels

That's all you need in midcast.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2018-03-31 12:11:36  
Well, WHM can't wear stone mufflers, but other than that, yes.
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By geigei 2018-03-31 12:16:04  
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Well, WHM can't wear stone mufflers, but other than that, yes.
I wouldnt know that cause i never got them :(
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2018-03-31 13:44:38  
That was not an easy BC back in the day... It's easy now, but still a bit annoying to farm all the boxes needed for the BC pop.
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