Sigurd's Descendants: The Art Of Dragon Slaying.

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 Asura.Highwynn
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-02-21 00:55:14  
I got Acro Legs with
DEX+10 Acc+6
STP+6


and Acro Feet with
STP+6

Thats a total of 10STP in leg slot and 6 in feet. Gonna drop my AF3 body in favor of xaddi...lose 7STP in body(but gaining 7 in leg and 1 in feet) but gaining a bit of DA/acc/att/ilvl stats in the process.
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-02-21 04:06:20  
currently using:

acro head (6 stp aug)/ganesha/trip/brutal
xaddi mail r15ac/acro hands (6 stp aug)/k'ayres/rajas
bleating/goading/acro legs (5 stp aug)/acro feet (6stp aug) for my AM3 up tp set. comes out to like 913 acc so it covers basically low and mid acc. this set gives 973 tp after 3 swings so i'm thinking of switching to plackart for 4 hit... not sure i wanna wear non-ilvl though.

my acro stuff has other augs too (acc 15-20, crit dmg +2 etc) but not really relevant to hit build
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2015-02-21 04:28:25  
My Olyndicus hits like a friggin truck now, ohai 309 base damage polearm.

got the acc and wsd with throwing the usual +1 stone types at it.


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Edit: more info cause I got pm'd about this so decided to be more clear for everyone wondering.
Use 1 snow/leaf/dusk type stone to fill the 3 augment slots, traded in 1 at a time with the weapon.

Leafslit+1 = WSD +6%
Snowslit+1 = +ACC or +ATK (up to 20), super rare but possible to get both ACC+ATK in this slot.
DuskSlit +2 = either adds 1-2 +stat *or* +DMG , you could probably get a good augment with a +1 on this, dusk stone is the new 3rd slot.

to get the +DMG I threw DuskSlit +2 x2 at it (got only +VIT first time and died inside).
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-02-21 11:01:37  
4 hit build is possible now. I slapped on:

Ginsen
Otomi
Asperity
AF3+2 body
Acro Hands with total 9STP
Acro Legs with total 10STP
Acro Feet with total 10STP
Goading Belt
Tactical Mantle
Rajas/K'ayres
Brutal/Tripudio


Getting 258TP/hit
A bit overkill but still cool. Wonder if it will make /WAR more feasible?
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By fillerbunny9 2015-02-21 11:23:50  
I thought the general consensus was that /WAR was more feasible thanks to the haste we get from our rat.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-02-21 13:26:43  
Not really due to Hasso actually being necessary for the 2%, and the extra sTP which was necessary for a good 5hit without sacrificing too much. But it was also skewed for the content, like in Incursion, /SAM was great if you're constantly slowed/dispelled.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-02-22 04:29:48  


Got a bit unlucky with Duskslits. I want to replace the Crit dmg+2% with STR+8-10. If that happens, Acro will be the best 'all purpose' TP piece except when AM is up, and best WS piece. Also the 17att/acc came from a Snowslit+1, so I could get higher with +2 I imagine. Right now I kinda have a psuedo Mesyohi Haubergon for DRG-- 27att/27acc 2%DA 6stp 2% crit dmg. Pretty beastly. >.>
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-02-22 19:56:30  
Just got wsd+3 which makes it the best body for camlann and slightly on par with ptero for stardiver. Hopefully i can get 10str from dusk+2, since 25str;+3wsd comes like 70 dps behind 35str. Wish SE let wsd affect every hit like overwhelm -.-
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By Tyrael 2015-02-24 22:41:39  
I feel like there hasnt been any mention of how Taeon gear fits in for DRG. Has it been overlooked?
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-02-24 22:48:47  
TIL DRG can wear taeon . . .
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2015-02-24 23:02:58  
It can, surprisingly. I don't see it being worth it over Acro with STP+6 augments if you're using Ryu, though. Haven't actually gone through the spreadsheet to compare. Without Ryu, I'd think at least the legs would be worth it with TA+4.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2015-02-24 23:18:33  
I really like full +TA +Atk+Acc Taeon , +oneiros ring +bleating +windbuffet = 18% triple attack.
With a fully aug'd skirmish polearm it gives some crazy white damage bursts.

Taeon is only a couple points of def/vit lower, but taeon seems to be balanced by better meva/mdb.
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-02-24 23:31:33  
it's probably applicable for AM down in some form, at the very least the legs and head
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2015-02-24 23:35:02  
At the very least everyone should get the legs with +2TA aug, and work pieces in jump sets as well.
3rd augment slot isnt hard to get +2%crit hit damage as well.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-02-25 00:22:27  
Will have to spreadsheet it out I think. Acro Legs and Acro Feet with 6STP were beating out AF3 legs and Huggin for Soul Jump at least.

Can you get 3 TA on Taeon head? If it's just 2, it wont beat Otomi, also Otomi has way better ilvl stats than Taeon.

As for legs, I think 4TA will win(2base 2 aug), though losing out on potentially 10STP. Right now I have a 3 hit build using 10stp legs/hands, 6stp feet/body. Stardiver returns 27.5% TP(ws in Acro Body comes out ahead of Ptero+1 if you have +STR and att/acc augs), each normal hit after is giving 24.2. I guess with AM down, Taen tights may win. How do you do AM up and AM down sets in the spreadsheet?
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2015-02-25 00:26:21  
Asura.Highwynn said: »
Can you get 3 TA on Taeon head?
Haven't seen any reports higher than 2.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-02-25 00:26:34  
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acro head (6 stp aug)/ganesha/trip/brutal
xaddi mail r15ac/acro hands (6 stp aug)/k'ayres/rajas
bleating/goading/acro legs (5 stp aug)/acro feet (6stp aug) for my AM3 up tp set. comes out to like 913 acc so it covers basically low and mid acc. this set gives 973 tp after 3 swings so i'm thinking of switching to plackart for 4 hit... not sure i wanna wear non-ilvl though.

With AM3 up, I have a true 4 hit, getting like 26-27ish TP per hit, but my AM3 set has Asperity/Goading/Plackart(Sweordfaetels +1 doesnt exist on Asura). It's pretty insane with capped haste, I feel like a koga SAM with weaker WS.
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By mortontony1 2015-02-25 00:27:46  
Only seen +2 TA myself as well. Know someone who has the gil to blow to get max augs at this point in time as well.

/emote crawls back to blu forums
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2015-02-25 00:29:42  
I have never seen +3 TA on any taeon piece ever and I have 2 full sets I've thrown hundreds of nq/+1 stones at. Its never been more than +2% TA.
Near perfect Taeon hat (or any piece in the set) can get +7Str +20Acc +20Atk +2% TA if you want to manually add and spreadsheet compare them
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-02-25 00:42:50  
Difference between 2TA and 3DA is one swing. I guess it may technically be better when aug'd will have to check it out. Could alternatively make a 3DA, 20att/20 acc Acro helm with 3% crit damage and it's probably BiS for every jumps, especially cuz it has 4stp built in making it like an otomi+yaoyotl helm in one, with potentially +3% damage from crit aug.
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2015-02-25 01:00:01  
Asura.Highwynn said: »
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acro head (6 stp aug)/ganesha/trip/brutal
xaddi mail r15ac/acro hands (6 stp aug)/k'ayres/rajas
bleating/goading/acro legs (5 stp aug)/acro feet (6stp aug) for my AM3 up tp set. comes out to like 913 acc so it covers basically low and mid acc. this set gives 973 tp after 3 swings so i'm thinking of switching to plackart for 4 hit... not sure i wanna wear non-ilvl though.

With AM3 up, I have a true 4 hit, getting like 26-27ish TP per hit, but my AM3 set has Asperity/Goading/Plackart(Sweordfaetels +1 doesnt exist on Asura). It's pretty insane with capped haste, I feel like a koga SAM with weaker WS.

i'll probably skip plackart and use tactical/acro body(once i get it)/asperity? don't think it's worth it to use non ilvl armor for anything that matters
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2015-02-25 01:06:49  
Worth considering Neritic as well. I get it ahead of Brutal for 2-handed AM3 mythics, but not 1-handed.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2015-02-25 13:21:22  
Whelp. there goes another 4 inv slots.

Leaforb stone. According to Dasva, can go up to +4
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-02-25 14:44:17  
I can see it winning for body and hands, but head/legs/feet surely provide a more potent bonus than 4% since they add HP. Though if the difference is small, might win for legs to avoid the stupid hp lag calculation. Try dusk/snoworb and see if we can get petHP too?

Good thing orb stones are cheap.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2015-02-25 15:23:48  
Ptero armet being stronger was a given. But the reason I said -4 inv, was because even if Vishap legs/ptero feet are better for HB, they aren't better for elemental breaths.

I really doubt that +3~4 means +3~4% for healing breath. Kinda like.. well, everything else with a +value didn't = % for HB. I have a vague recollection of the ele breath values working like that though

anyway, I tried doing a HB with the +3 body, and no feet. Then again with the Ptero feet, but no body. And the +3 on the body body won by like 50~. I'd have to check my logs for more precise values.

Tried the same comparison with legs, but Vishap+1 won by a landslide. Gonna make more pieces and see how things look then.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-02-25 15:42:21  
If body won by 50 and Wyvern mail is +50Hp, i wanna make a prediction that it wont beat out ptero's 250hp. I dont think i want to have a dedicated elemental breath only piece, given gearswap's unreliability to factor it in 100% of the time since they reduced the charge time to 1second(made a post about it on GS forums in bg and they basically said it may be too fast to nail it all the time). Right now it's like a 50/50 toss up for breath gear to activate in post-ws breaths.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2015-02-25 15:52:32  
Well. I had a bunch of Leaforb+2 stored on the NPC. Since I didn't have a use for them before. Results.



Gonna go out and get some HB numbers.
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-02-25 20:16:15  
Damn, thought max was 4. 7-8? gg. Maybe we can recoup the inventory by making them DT pieces as well?
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2015-02-25 21:29:29  
I'd had a similar though. And possibly even do acc and atk and use them for hybrid as well.

But... does acro even get DT- or PDT-?

Also, my elemental breath has gone from 620 to 770'ish. <,<
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By Odin.Skeero 2015-02-25 21:42:45  
Just came back from a break, was it ever perfected to swap in breath gear after ws without messing up tp with GS?
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