Bushido - The Way Of The Samurai (A Guide) V. 2.0

119 Masamune has pretty low dmg compared to other GKT and not as much of a str boost as v3 Masamune. This is probably the biggest factor

Also when shooting for WSDmg, don't forget about str. I ended up using taupe stones for Str+15 and ws dmg +3-4

Masa is 119 no AG.
I use rdm brd cor trusts for buffs

Yea. I have been unbelievable unlucky when it comes to those augments. I have still yet on any of my reis gear to get STR with any WSD and I have tried.... a lot.. :(

For Masa am3 purposes would a crit + 10 cape be worthwhile while AM is up(to be used along with ken gear which has a ton of crit +)? Sounds reasonable in theory to max damage when the triple damage procs but DA + 10 sounds amazing too...

I may be wrong but if I am not mistaken triple proc damage doesn't necessarily mean its a critical hit so the double attack would be better overall dps. but again I might be wrong, I am getting up there and my brain ain't what it used to be. :)

Gear could use some overhaul and back is important, but you are aware so not going to get into that. That being said even at 119 with posted set you should be annihilating fodder. Fudo for me even with bis gear, I still whiff. For me at least that is the only factor, hit or miss. My numbers stay consistent. Do you have vorseals etc?

So I basically have a 0 JP SAM with cobbled together gears with the RuANN GK and just got a working lua and was soloing some faeries in Reisenjima with trusts. I noticed this same thing and couldn't for the life of my figure out what was going on. Like 11-14k at 1ktp and then I'd crap out a 5k and couldn't figure out why.

Turns out, it's a double attack proccing after a miss...and since Fudo misses so damn much (seriously - wtf? I play DRG and my 1 hitters never miss), it's actually a rather common occurence.

I absolutely annihilate fodder in Escha Zi'tah and Ru'Aun 12-22k Fudos. Still a bit inconsistent but not as bad as in reisenjima

I do have a good amount of vorseals as well 5-9 in pretty close to all categories

I can't be the first person to come across this, surely?

I literally stumbled across this during a CP party earlier, I was intending to hit Enpi off of Ageha but saw Jinpu doing massive damage when I accidentally hit the WS macro for it. I went back later and tested it... Jinpu is apparently broken as ***. Keep in mind this was with no GEO, no BRD, and a Trust COR.

That sir, is incredibly, and awesomely, broken as fug


Incoming bandwagon

Believe it.

You aren't the first to notice, no.

That buff was meant for MNK. Give it back!

^_*)y

Lets see if SE does anything about it soon or let it ride into the sunset..

I doubt they will do anything..

Express your Samurai Pride guys and enjoy the Jinpu's...

I say this as a fan of your guides so don't think I'm bashing you in any way but....

I went out and attempted to recreate this, with a set extremely close to yours and I couldn't seem to do so reliably with quite a bit of testing, I did hit 40k twice.... but it seemed exceedingly rare.

I will say, Jinpu did seem actually to come out ahead of my Fudos on average, so it's a worthy find if nothing else, but I was definitely underwhelmed compared to my hopes after finding this, people made it seem like it was leaps and bounds ahead.

My experience was that my wses were more in the 10~20k range most of the time with the quite rare 30k or 40k spike.

The difference between our sets was negligable (though I don't know the augs on your mask as you didn't show it), I used the same trusts, same targets, and am master.

I went out and tested as you can see from my post, only reason I didn't question is the hands for me are the only maxed founder and I had to swap from /war to /drk to get what I got.

Well as I said I did hit 40k twice, and did average higher than Fudo which makes it significant... but, the average was certainly well under expectation, from the way it was made to sound, was all.

Perhaps subbing dark would've helped, I did legitimately miss that bit, ~5% more attack, at the cost of 10 Double Attack.

So based on the listed WS formulas, this should be impossible. A 2 hitter at 3k tp an FTP of 1 with a 30 STR mod where FTP doesn't transfer, although maybe effected by mab. Do we think it's bugged, we have the mods all wrong, or something else impacting it? Like the skillchain bonus from Aeonic AM impacting elemental damage on the weaponskill?

I think Sele missed my point, I came close to hitting 40k once as you can see, my only maxed founder is hands. I didn't bother questioning since all gear was identical except the augs which are significant maxed and I use Wakido +3 for legs.

Well, many years ago we used to use Jinpu with Soboro and it produced amazing results. Just repeated your tests in this video but with my decked out brd and cor supporting. Will post some screenshots, got a few 99k Jinpu's off. Average seems to be mid 40's.

Could always grab a GEO and toss up a -mdb bubble and see if it changes numbers, more likely speghetti code spiked the ftp or something

Guess I am missing it... not sure what you're trying to say.

I was saying that my gear slightly better overall as best I can tell, Founder Augs slightly higher total than his (Capped feet, Hands and Body 1 matk from cap), slightly better Ring (Regal over Shuk), and I'm master, only unknown is his valorous head augs, and my sub was War not Drk, but I didn't seem to be getting results that high with any regularity.

We are agreeing nvm

Thanks for this - the vast, vast majority in the 20-30k range, but a higher-than-normal TP return after a fotia proc (22xx TP, +750 bonus) gave me this gem:

84k+79k
Gear:

With 60 MAB:
http://imgur.com/L3UOE7r

With 60 MAB + Minuets 4/5
http://imgur.com/nJhAWkc

With Minuets 4/5
http://imgur.com/TNjf2HT

So after taking these screenshots and first tests had friend come out on his GEO and switched from Chaos rolls to Wizards.
You can expect consistent 70-99k with around 110 MAB providing you have north of 260 STR in WS set.
GEO-Malaise, Indi-Lang, Entrust Acumen, changed STR etudes to INT etudes and kept 2x Minuets.

This might be more potent than AC Zerg in terms of raw power/dps. Will test with /rdm and /blm later for that extra MAB as it seems to push dmg up exponentially more than anything else.

I hope you kept your random MAB/WSDMG augments on Valorous :)

The occasional extremely high damage occurs when TA or QA occurs- the damage of the non-elemental strikes are summed and used as the base damage for the elemental hit.

Does this work with other weapons other than Dojikiri Yasutsuna? I can see that it has magic damage and magic accuracy on it.

Oh awesome - so it's SAM's version of Ifrit's Flaming Crush.

That's how I thought it had worked but couldn't find the formulae on jinpu page. I'm guessing its somewhere though? Does this apply to all hybrid ws? Might this same thing be recreated on another job like ninja? They have some hybrid I believe?

Hybrids all work the same, yes, and katana does have a few hybrids (Teki, Chi, To).

Hmmm I actually DO have some decent MAB+WSD pieces for NIN, thanks to Herculean gear for COR/RNG magical WS... time to go play with this!

Edit: messed with some Apex Raptors for a while with trusts, did not find any staggering Teki/Chi/To damage. I was using Kikoku (M.Dmg+186) with an Ochu offhand (M.Dmg+108/MAB+14), and have quite a bit of good WSD/MAB gear.

Herculean x4 (with WSD 4-5% and some MAB on each)
Samnuha Coat
Fotia neck/waist
Friomisi/Moonshade
WSD+10% cape

Also fiddled with the set to swap in some pieces with heavier multi-attack gear to get some more frequent DA/TA/QA procs and see how that affected WS. Wasn't ever getting crazy spikes.

I *DID* manage to make the elemental WS fairly strong, almost to the level of competing with NIN's usual Shun (usually best with lower buffs, Ten isn't really that great without buffs), Metsu, Hi - and the ele WS were more consistent. But no secret gamebreaking katana WS weirdness.