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Power Rangers: A Guide to Pewing
Cerberus.Maeldiar
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2014-11-20 01:41:33
ItemSet 226642
Came up with this on the fly, not sure if I want to use athos gloves during relevant days, 9.9% damage increase via ftp but big loss of rattk and stats.
Might swap ramuh ring for some more enmity down
Some athos vs. arcadian hands math, correct me if im wrong
-16 ranged attack (some pdif loss)
STR 15 -> 7 = -8 (some fstr loss)
DEX 35 -> 7 = -28 (28*.8= 22.4 loss of base damage 22.4*1.82ftp per shot*3 shots= 122 less damage)
AGI 11 -> 7 = -4 (4 dAGI/10 is .4% crit rate loss big woop.)
Athos ftp mod is said to be 15/256 or +.058 http://ftp.
.058/1.75*100% = 3.3%*3 shots= 9.9% more damage
and for lolwtf numbers, light gorget and belt is 50/256 or .195 ftp increase.
.195/1.75*100%= 11.1%*3 shots = 33.3% damage increase @_@
Quetzalcoatl.Valli
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-11-20 01:52:34
Well... first of all if you're /nin and not /war that's a big chunk of why you're not winning parses, or parsing lower than desired etc. (for actual RANGED RNG content marjami etc). For funsies it's all good though.
Atoyac with Crit or WSD (don't know which is best) would be proffered. Rancor back I'm pretty sure averages out better than lutian, unless you have some augs on it. (Dependent on buffs though).
Cerberus.Maeldiar
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2014-11-20 01:57:16
oh im usually /war of course, and i win parses. just wanted to show optimal weapons i could use.
added some maths to item set post.
Quetzalcoatl.Valli
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-11-20 02:02:39
Really should run it through mont's sheets and see what you like. There's a lot of variables, and it's hard to say what's best "for you".
Just some drop down menus. It's really not hard at all to do.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?usp=drive_web&ddrp=1&id=0B0A0wGYYRRdaZjdlNTdkNTEtMDMyYy00OTVmLWI4N2ItNDMwMDI1N2VkYWZk#
I'm also not a math wizard... but athos gloves I don't think work quite like that? They were never a really worthwhile piece as far as I can remember. (except I REALLY wanted them for Aoelean when they came out.)
Cerberus.Maeldiar
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2014-11-20 02:09:00
just because they say elemental doesnt mean its an elemental ws, they work the same as mekira-oto and the new incursion helm, add ftp values to weapon skill when their properties fall on the game day. IE fusion = fire and light days
Quetzalcoatl.Valli
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-11-20 02:21:14
Cerberus.Maeldiar said: »just because they say elemental doesnt mean its an elemental ws, they work the same as mekira-oto and the new incursion helm, add ftp values to weapon skill when their properties fall on the game day. IE fusion = fire and light days
No no no, lol, that's not what I mean, I shouldve been more clear. I meant that they aren't as powerful as you think they are. Not that they work only for magical ws lol. I wanted them for AE because they had DEX and INT and no MAB options existed.
Here's what I got:
Atoyac Crit
Oneiros
Hangaku-No-Yumi
Achiyalabopa
Uk'uxkaj
Gorget
Auster Pearl
Moonshade AttTP
Dread Jupon
Alruna's +1
Ramuh +1
Rajas
Rancorous Max
Ele.Belt
Nahtirah
Arcadian +1
Gave the Best average I could find, using a 124 Rabbit or a Tojil level mob, with standard buffs.
Using Athos hands, drops the damage by nearly 300 from 8300(average) to 8000. You only get the 3.3% for the first hit.
Apparently oneiros knife is a damn good Jishnu's offhand
Cerberus.Maeldiar
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2014-11-20 02:42:32
I Wonder if rancor is needed with all the tp bonus you're getting from the bow, earring, and fencer. I can't find info on the critical hit rate for the tp tiers of jishnu
Quetzalcoatl.Valli
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-11-20 02:44:15
Rancor is always best, 5% more crit from gear doesn't cap. (well no realistic attainable cap) ((maybe with rogue's roll idk).
Cerberus.Maeldiar
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2014-11-20 02:47:54
You get 3.3 per hit, jishnu transfers ftp to all 3 hits. And ya oneiros knife is a whopping 10% crit damage.
Quetzalcoatl.Valli
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-11-20 02:49:28
Cerberus.Maeldiar said: »You get 3.3 per hit, jishnu transfers tp to all 3 hits. And ya oneiros knife is a whopping 10% crit damage.
Spreadsheet would disagree with the 3.3% to each hit. or maybe it does and it's just insignificant. You lose a shitload of DEX cause of iGarbage.
It would be clearly better than Alruna's if it were more. it's pretty far behind though. But again I'm not a math wizard, needs Montenten u_u
*Edit I always forget about Dawn earring. It's likely better than Austers but I'm not going to fix the pic.
Cerberus.Maeldiar
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2014-11-20 03:21:27
spread sheet might not know that ftp transfer to all hits, mont would need to fix that. but i'll try it out and see what i like
By Heimdel 2014-11-20 09:52:38
What would be better A dagger with 6% tp bonus or the wkr auged with 2% ws dmg?
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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2014-11-20 10:43:33
Other Yoichi users: I'm considering dropping down to a 5-hit and using relic 119 body. Did anyone else do this? Maybe aim for 4-hit only with COR buffs and 5-hit without? There's just so much that you have to give up for that 4-hit otherwise that I'm getting better results on my 5-hit higher-acc set (that doesn't currently have relic body).
Cerberus.Maeldiar said: »I've been contemplating getting a Tenzen Bow and using it on fights where I don't care if I pull hate; AA taru, tulfaire in marjami delve, or Muyingya in ceizak delve. This is mostly because back in abyssea I made 90 gandiva, and finally obtained annihilator down the road and haven't looked back, And well I miss using Jishnu's lol. With Jishnu's Radiance being such a insanely powerful weaponskill it needs to be used with care.
My idea is to use it not only when hate isn't a deal breaker, but in long fights where my enmity will be kept minimal from decoy and coronach use; such as Marjami and Kamihr delve bosses. These fights usually go on long enough, especially in a full alliance fight (yay events), for a 2nd use of decoy shot. Normally I know my hate is ok and start using Last Stand here and there, but I'd like to swap to bow completely and spam Jishnu during my 2nd decoy shot activation.
Has anyone else tried playing like this? Is the spike in hate from max Jishnu power just too much? I'd probably add in large -enmity pieces like novia just to take the edge off. What do you guys think.
Tenzen bow is in the top 3 of the most potent pure dps options for ranger (Alluvion bow with WSD and Yoichi being the other two, if I have my numbers right). Other rangers in my LS used it in the past. The answer I find is, it depends. I had a Marjami run this week where I did 9/10 Jishnu's and 1/10 Namas. I did pull hate on megaboss, but just for a second, when he was at like 10%. TT is a fine place to use it, like you mentioned, and Marjami generally isn't a big problem if your rangers are spreading Decoy/riding Camo as they should be.
Since you have Anni/Last Stand, I would probably stick to that for anything serious. Unless there's a big gear/skill disparity, bow only outparses gun where you can use Jishnu's liberally.... but in those situations, bow is the superior option.
Cerberus.Maeldiar
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2014-11-20 15:54:47
did some thinking about my ftp argument,
say you add 3% more ftp for 3% more damage, even if the ftp transfer to all hits its still 3% overall. If each hit is doing 1000 for a total of 3000, 1.03*1000 = 1030. 1030x3 = 3090. (3090-3000)/3000 = 3%
So Valli is right its only a 3.3% increase from athos hands not 9.9 like i was saying.
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2014-11-26 12:57:19
Was maybe thinking of coming back soon, was just wondering if Ranger was still relevant?
Also if anyone had any current Annihilator sets they could share. Thanks!
Sylph.Oraen
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By Sylph.Oraen 2014-11-26 13:02:23
Ranger is still used heavily in a large amount of High-Tier battlefields and multiple Delve 2.0 setups. I don't know how it fares in Incursion, but it's the go-to in any situation where staying safe is important.
By fractalvoid 2014-11-26 13:06:31
Ranger is still used heavily in a large amount of High-Tier battlefields and multiple Delve 2.0 setups. I don't know how it fares in Incursion, but it's the go-to in any situation where staying safe is important.
Some people will use a RNG+PLD strategy for incursion. Even in the usual SAM setup, it's possible to bring a RNG along if you really wanted.
Annihilator sets haven't changed much. The addition of Neritic Earring allows one to get away with a less-than-perfect (ie: 5sTP) augment on Seiryu's Kote. Also if you get lucky with sTP augment on Lutian you can toss your Chlamys.
Shiva.Hiep
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By Shiva.Hiep 2014-12-06 15:23:46
Does anyone have a decent melee set?
By fractalvoid 2014-12-06 16:22:01
ItemSet 331347
Path A Qaaxo. Iuitl Wristbands (+1) with DA augment could serve as an alternative to Nilas Gloves.
As for an accuracy set: Code sets.Melee.MidACC = set_combine(sets.Melee,{
body="Mekosuchinae harness",
neck="Ej
Necklace",
hands="Buremte Gloves",
waist="Hurch'lan Sash",
legs="Manibozho Tights",
feet="Manibozho boots",
ring2="Patricius Ring"})
Manibozho Path A (I've been too lazy to make Qaaxo Path B's and rarely need to use acc set if/when I'm melee RNG. Haven't done capacity points farm on RNG yet so not sure what acc I'd be aiming for there.
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By Asura.Failaras 2014-12-06 17:34:31
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The one I'm working on is similar, just assumes no Nilas and Bleating Mantle currently.
It really annoys me that I can't solo capacity farm on Rng because my trust NPCs want to prelude/flurry me.
Sylph.Oraen
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By Sylph.Oraen 2014-12-06 17:37:44
Don't forget about HQ Nomkahpa for gloves. The bonus double attack is nice. Then again, 8m+ for it is definitely not some peoples' cup of tea.
Also, could you just use a WHM trust as a replacement for Koru? It would only be Haste 1, but it's still something.
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By Shiva.Hiep 2014-12-06 17:58:48
Cool. Thanks a bunch guys! So what trust do you guys use?
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By Asura.Failaras 2014-12-06 17:58:51
I think that of the 3 DA hand options (Nom+1, Nilas, and Qaaxo), Qaaxo is the most reasonable. Use whichever you have access to honestly.
I have only tried to solo CP farm on Rng once, and it was using Koru+Ulmia which ended up just giving me Flurry+Min+Prelude. I'll try out using a Whm NPC later and see if they give haste 1.
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By Shiva.Hiep 2014-12-06 18:13:20
Woops, I should have noted some things. I'm quite poor q.q What would be the best set if I don't want to spend any gil (Airlixirs +2 or Wailing Stones) or do Shiva for Nilas? Would Qaaxo still be the best?
Quetzalcoatl.Valli
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-12-06 18:22:35
RNG melee with trust, if you use Coffin, he'll still give haste, and Joachim will still give 1 march 1 mad.
It's a shame Ulmia will lude, and koru will flurry.
If you're poor, I'd opt for nilas, the Qaaxo don't really have any purpose, and they'll be tossed if we ever 120+ but nilas should have a use basically forever. As the only "realistic" MAB option.
Was all covered in another thread, no sense in making the same arguments twice.
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By Asura.Failaras 2014-12-06 18:28:33
Testing out trusts, Karaha will cast haste on you but doesn't seem to prioritize it very much. Joachim's weaker AI seems to actually help in this case as he won't Pianissimo Prelude/Min on you like Ulmia does, he uses Marchx1 Madrigalx1. I'm also using Excenmille [S] for Stag's Call.
Quote: Woops, I should have noted some things. I'm quite poor q.q What would be the best set if I don't want to spend any gil (Airlixirs +2 or Wailing Stones) or do Shiva for Nilas? Would Qaaxo still be the best? Sadly there aren't really any easy options here, all of the potential DA hands Rng gets are hard to get or cost gil. I guess you could use un-augmented Qaaxo or Iuitl+1.
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Shiva.Hiep
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By Shiva.Hiep 2014-12-07 21:10:04
Thanks for all the tips guys.
I'm also using Excenmille [S] for Stag's Call. What does Stag's Call do? :0
Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget 2014-12-07 21:12:58
Thanks for all the tips guys.
I'm also using Excenmille [S] for Stag's Call. What does Stag's Call do? :0
It's an Attack Bonus, kinda like Berserk, but less potency.
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By Asura.Failaras 2014-12-07 21:49:30
It's 15% attack for 3 minutes every 5 minutes.
Cerberus.Maeldiar
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2014-12-08 22:34:05
Burmte gloves is an amazing accuracy piece, with dex augment it's like 42 accuracy. Dex is nice on it anyways for those dex weapon skills like cdc
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