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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2014-02-06 06:34:06  
Does Mot's spreadsheet assume every shot will proc Recycle when the "Include Recycle TP" buff is active? If so, the DPS of that 4-hit will be a bit lower since that obviously won't be the case in game with the Recycle cap if I'm correct in seeing that you need all shots to proc Recycle in that set.
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By Bismarck.Inference 2014-02-06 07:02:46  
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Does Mot's spreadsheet assume every shot will proc Recycle when the "Include Recycle TP" buff is active? If so, the DPS of that 4-hit will be a bit lower since that obviously won't be the case in game with the Recycle cap if I'm correct in seeing that you need all shots to proc Recycle in that set.

With include recycle TP up it says 3.21 shots per WS for whatever set I have in right now. My WS returns 21.5TP and I get 26.9TP for ever hit that recycle procs. (100-21.5)/26.9 = 2.91 shots per WS. So seems that he worked accuracy/recycle cap into it, though I think most people build sets around assuming perfect recycles anyways.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2014-02-06 08:32:58  
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I think most people build sets around assuming perfect recycles anyways.
Guess I'm just weird, then. I have my Yoichi 5-hit to allow for 2/4 non-recycle procs for safety.
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By Phoenix.Suji 2014-02-06 09:17:09  
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This set should only be used with Hunter's/Ludes/permenant namas AM and Sushi its losing over 45 acc including namas am unless you switch out to Hurlbat) from my LowACC set (which was about 20 ACC from capping on TT with Ghorn ludes.) Unless sushi caps significantly higher (60+ points) than PAF+1.
If any of your buffs fall (namely Namas AM) you're going to have a tough time hitting until its back up. The set probably isn't viable on HM without double SV ludes and sushi. Although, with the right buffs / mob, it probably partially bridges the massive gap between gun and bow.
I mentioned VDs are done as /WAR with Hurlbat above. That set was primarily made for Normal difficulty DM where hitting them is pretty easy. But you saw all of my sets and I flip between them often depending on buff status so that should answer your question.

I did get to test it out and damage was significantly ahead of our other bow ranger who I normally tie with, but maybe she had a bad day. The other nice boon about a lower x-hit in general where enmity is concerned is more WS and less shots to potentially pull hate with (in 106 AAs I've only a few times though, two of which were on GK).
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By Phoenix.Suji 2014-02-06 10:01:30  
Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
Does Mot's spreadsheet assume every shot will proc Recycle when the "Include Recycle TP" buff is active? If so, the DPS of that 4-hit will be a bit lower since that obviously won't be the case in game with the Recycle cap if I'm correct in seeing that you need all shots to proc Recycle in that set.
If you have it set to true, it assumes perfect recycles. He has Conserve TP weighted with the appropriate probability, so you only see a big DPS bump at exactly that value of store TP.

But even your 5-hit sometimes 4-hits thanks to Conserve TP so it's not so simple as working out recycle proc count, ws acc and per-shot acc. All builds involving Conserve TP are probabilistic rather than strict so Store TP can be more valuable than other stats even if you aren't breaking an x-hit tier. RNG with a belt has 32% during WS and that will fix a single broken recycle proc .32 * .75 = 24% of the time, so the actual number of messed up x-hits is actually pretty low.
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By Carbuncle.Dagget 2014-02-06 10:04:10  
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This set should only be used with Hunter's/Ludes/permenant namas AM and Sushi its losing over 45 acc including namas am unless you switch out to Hurlbat) from my LowACC set (which was about 20 ACC from capping on TT with Ghorn ludes.) Unless sushi caps significantly higher (60+ points) than PAF+1.
If any of your buffs fall (namely Namas AM) you're going to have a tough time hitting until its back up. The set probably isn't viable on HM without double SV ludes and sushi. Although, with the right buffs / mob, it probably partially bridges the massive gap between gun and bow.
I mentioned VDs are done as /WAR with Hurlbat above. That set was primarily made for Normal difficulty DM where hitting them is pretty easy. But you saw all of my sets and I flip between them often depending on buff status so that should answer your question.

I did get to test it out and damage was significantly ahead of our other bow ranger who I normally tie with, but maybe she had a bad day. The other nice boon about a lower x-hit in general where enmity is concerned is more WS and less shots to potentially pull hate with (in 106 AAs I've only a few times though, two of which were on GK).
Yeah, the set is really interesting, if it could be pulled off with the right buffs on all the AAs (except mithra obviously) it would be a massive boon to bows, who have been really lackluster since the ammo update. Maybe our next DM run i'll ask a bow ranger to try and 4hit on the GK/EV/TT to see if they can get closer to us, since they will at minimum have 10 minutes of SV ludes and perma hunters roll.
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By lhova 2014-02-06 12:03:23  
Thanks for all of the info guys but I have a quick question. I'm thinking about dumping my precast set and going straight tp/ws set. As I mentioned in a prior post I'm playing on xbox and to cycles through 3 to 4 macros from precast, cast, ws is getting tiresome and on top of that sometimes my ranged attack line doesn't go off because I hit the cast macro too quickly and that wastes more time. We did a DM Norm run and the Anni Rng doubled my parse and I realize that he has an advantage with the relic but he was spamming Last Stand when decoy was up so I didn't expect to get destroyed like that. I know that he plays on pc and has scripts and I don't believe that his gear is that superior to mine with the exception of the gun so I'm figuring if I limit my macros to 2 I can save a ton of time and hopefully ws faster. I'm also hoping with the addition of Scout's Beret +2 that I will have a 5 hit and that should lead to more ws frequency as well. I normally do DM/AA as /sam for mediate and sekk but it seems that maybe /war would be better? Also has anyone found a good standing spot for TT? On Rng it kinda stinks to have to run around and be prey to his aoe especially when I'm not subbing /nin. Any information would be appreciated and thank you all so much! I'm starting to want to test Diff and see how that goes and then try to clear VD. Is there a certain clear time I should look at from Diff to determine if I'm ready for VD?
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By Carbuncle.Dagget 2014-02-06 12:25:44  
lhova said: »
Thanks for all of the info guys but I have a quick question. I'm thinking about dumping my precast set and going straight tp/ws set. As I mentioned in a prior post I'm playing on xbox and to cycles through 3 to 4 macros from precast, cast, ws is getting tiresome and on top of that sometimes my ranged attack line doesn't go off because I hit the cast macro too quickly and that wastes more time. We did a DM Norm run and the Anni Rng doubled my parse and I realize that he has an advantage with the relic but he was spamming Last Stand when decoy was up so I didn't expect to get destroyed like that. I know that he plays on pc and has scripts and I don't believe that his gear is that superior to mine with the exception of the gun so I'm figuring if I limit my macros to 2 I can save a ton of time and hopefully ws faster. I'm also hoping with the addition of Scout's Beret +2 that I will have a 5 hit and that should lead to more ws frequency as well. I normally do DM/AA as /sam for mediate and sekk but it seems that maybe /war would be better? Also has anyone found a good standing spot for TT? On Rng it kinda stinks to have to run around and be prey to his aoe especially when I'm not subbing /nin. Any information would be appreciated and thank you all so much! I'm starting to want to test Diff and see how that goes and then try to clear VD. Is there a certain clear time I should look at from Diff to determine if I'm ready for VD?

Last Stand is actually Equal to or very very slightly stronger/weaker than Coronach given the correct buffs and gear. With enough attack I find it stronger (and my last stand gear is ideal while my coronach is still lacking 2 str.) It's nothing like Jishnu vs Namas which is about a 400-700 DMG swing upwards on AAs. As for pre->post shot gear, you should only have 6 swaps (head body hands legs feet waist). If its in the interest of saving time you can drop one (feet or waist they have the lowest or assumed to be lowest snapshot value) to fit in a single macro line so you only have to hit two macros per shot instead of 3. Dropping any more snapshot than a single peice is not an option, the time you will save in between shots won't add up to the massive amount of snpshot you lose.

The Scout's Beret +2 is massive. subtracting a hit from your build with a single peice of gear (as well as allowing for many more swaps in favor of pure stats instead of STP) so try and work that into your set as quickly as possible


/WAR will beat out /SAM in every situation i can think of. the DPS difference between the two is massive on content this hard. the last time a ranger who parses even with me (our gear is nearly identical, he just has two vulcan pearls to my nqs) wasn't even within touching distance when he was /sam i was /war. Obviously the spreadsheet will show this with hard numbers, but from experience You should only ever /war or /nin.

Difficult->VD is quite a large jump in terms of EVA/DEF values for the mobs. Difficult is certainly doable by 90% of the ranger population. If you're feeling unsure, bring a ranger you know is good. a good ranger with BRD/COR buffs can solo DD a D AA (minus maybe galka) within the 30 minute time limit.

Honestly, doing the Taru (and this Divine might) without ninja sub is just a pain in the ***, and more risk than it is worth. Amon drive WILL oneshot you on VD unless you are in PDT, which you most likely wont be as you're trying to shoot. If you guys can pass the DPS cap with /sams and /wars. try subbing ninja. You lose quite a bit of damage but on Normal/D it shouldn't be a run killer.

We always always sub ninja for anything involving the taru just to make it 100%. but if you can't/don't want to, the easiest way to avoid amon drive is to run away from any and everyone so at worst a single ranger dies from Amon. (or sleepga->amon/tarutaru nonsense)

Weaponskill swaps are annoying without windower/spellcast but doable and they'll add quite a bit of damage to your WSs, especially Jisnhu.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-02-06 13:24:41  
Phoenix.Suji said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
so, more specifically. can the on screen dps UI show r.acc, without getting the text report in the chatlog?
Not yet, it's something I'm adding though. Just been super lazy and distracted.

Thank you so much for your hard work.
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By lhova 2014-02-08 12:56:34  
Again thanks for all the help guys! I think my JR set is pretty much rounding out. I have R15 A. dagger for when I'm subbing Nin on DM and the Rng cape is still coming along (farming this sucks!) People really don't make earrings on my server anymore but hopefully I can upgrade those soon as well.

ItemSet 319410

What really killing me (and my dps) is my tp set due to the lack of Scout's Beret +2 :( I recently farmed the head but there are 0 Forgotten thoughts on my server and I tried farming these in Beaucidine Glacier dyna but couldn't get any to drop. If anyone has strats on farming these I'd be truly greatful. I also plan on doing some TT AA today so hopefully I can +1 my feet today as well. I think the biggest increase to my dps though would be the Beret.

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By Bismarck.Marmite 2014-02-08 13:14:07  
For JR, Pyrosoul ring, Uk cap, and rancorus mantle. You will probably be better off using sylvan earring and a dex+3 of some kind.

For your tp set you should use orion beret +1 if you don't have scout's and sometimes it's a better option depending on your accuracy. It offers more accuracy and dps than sylvan, which should now stay on porter moogle.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-02-08 22:43:17  
Shouldn't you be using Sylvan head for preshot? And probably for your full racc set too.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-02-08 23:59:09  
the enhance rapid shot on orion+1 beats out the snapshot on sylvan+2. and the AGI+29 should beat r.acc+13, then the str+23 pushes it over the top
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By Bahamut.Greyfawkz 2014-02-09 00:20:46  
lhova said: »
Again thanks for all the help guys! I think my JR set is pretty much rounding out. I have R15 A. dagger for when I'm subbing Nin on DM and the Rng cape is still coming along (farming this sucks!) People really don't make earrings on my server anymore but hopefully I can upgrade those soon as well.

ItemSet 319410

What really killing me (and my dps) is my tp set due to the lack of Scout's Beret +2 :( I recently farmed the head but there are 0 Forgotten thoughts on my server and I tried farming these in Beaucidine Glacier dyna but couldn't get any to drop. If anyone has strats on farming these I'd be truly greatful. I also plan on doing some TT AA today so hopefully I can +1 my feet today as well. I think the biggest increase to my dps though would be the Beret.

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Why would you JR in the Libbeco mantle and clearview? Also with eminent bow, you probably don't need to ws in rajas ring.

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By Quetzalcoatl.Glecent 2014-02-09 01:22:03  
Rajas ring gives 5 STR to fSTR2 and 5 DEX to DEX mod. There isn't a better ring for Jishnu's if you don't need accuracy.
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By Kyler 2014-02-09 02:09:28  
Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
Bismarck.Inference said: »
I think most people build sets around assuming perfect recycles anyways.
Guess I'm just weird, then. I have my Yoichi 5-hit to allow for 2/4 non-recycle procs for safety.

It's kind of a big jump to go from 4/4 to 2/4

For yoichi

4/4 requiring only 6stp to 5 hit (namas in 10stp)
2/4 requiring 23
3/4 needs 15

Even 3/4 requires dropping either or both a lot of ranged acc/att.

With the DM stp earring and nice seiryu kote you can get 15 from
Those +ocachi(or w/ volley for non perfect augments) but beyond that you starting having to make some huge racc sacrifices which I do not see as beneficial just to "play it safe". Personally I haven't had many issues with assuming 4/4 recycle but maybe im just the luckiest RNG ever(somehow I don't think that's the case)
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2014-02-09 02:18:23  
It's really not as bad as you make it sound. This is what I use:

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Racc is capped on everything except Mithra, though for DM we get Soul Voice for it so I end up being capped Racc on everything. If I need extra R.Acc in gear if Hunter's or a Prelude falls then I can use this and still have a 2/4 Recycle proc 5-hit.

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Obviously, if for some reason I'm losing more buffs I have a full Racc set to fall back on.
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By Kyler 2014-02-09 02:48:07  
If you used mekki shakki and bloodrain grip, you could use w/e gloves and rings you want.

Giving you as much as 33 extra ranged acc in acc build

Or in damage build
Trade off of
6~7 str(Vulcan for volley) for 17 AGI on Orion.

Idk I'm stretching here haha, plus bonus points for being old school
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-02-09 07:53:05  
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
the enhance rapid shot on orion+1 beats out the snapshot on sylvan+2. and the AGI+29 should beat r.acc+13, then the str+23 pushes it over the top

Oh ok then, good to know.

Anyone know what the snapshot % is on Manibozho gloves? I see all the JP rangers wear them and not sure if I'm missing out on something.
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By Bismarck.Inference 2014-02-09 08:02:44  
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Anyone know what the snapshot ? is on Manibozho gloves? I see all the JP rangers wear them and not sure if I'm missing out on something.

Manibozho hands should be 4% and Iuitl should be 9 or 10%.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/116145-Ranged-Delay-Snapshot-and-Stuff/page2

Though he did say unsure of Iuitl, Motenten has it listed as 6% on his spreadsheet so regardless it's assumed to be better.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-02-09 09:10:41  
Ok great, thanks.
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By Sylph.Talon 2014-02-10 23:10:03  
Hello Fellow Rangers,

I have been playing around with Barrage sets. Would you kindly rip this one apart.

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VD AA fights as context.

lucky or 11 hunters, sole sushi +1, ghorned 99 preludes soul voice are the buffs

i get anywhere from 2600 to 8k

was thinking about dropping hands for buremte gloves and legs for orion braccae +1 and switching body to sylvan caban +2.

barrage has 57% chance of landing all shots apparently.

2011 update based accuracy on max number of shots.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2014-02-10 23:18:52  
Adding more accuracy won't increase your chance of landing all shots if your accuracy is already capped. Keep the Orion hands, though I'm not sure if the legs or Nahtirah Trousers would provide more damage. If you have SV Preludes like you say then you could add more STR/Ratt gear over your R.Acc gear as well.
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By Sylph.Talon 2014-02-10 23:51:50  
based on your comments,

i would add ocachi gorget, rajas ring, flame pearl x 2, bellona's ring

thanks for responding
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By Phoenix.Suji 2014-02-11 00:31:45  
Are you guys actually seeing cases where STP isn't beating STR point for point in Mote's spreadsheet or are you just concerned about bugs? I looked at various values of n >=4 to try and avoid tier nose and STP always seems to win (sometimes by more, sometimes by less, but still winning). This is why I don't think aiming for a 4hit a detriment, since coming close to one still ends up being higher dps in most of the cases I've tested due to the 32% Conserve TP on WS.

Also, I was looking into the probability of the set I posted rising over a 4-hit after the last discussion. I don't remember enough probability to flatten into one useful percentage, but here are some numbers for discussion's sake:
- 27.1% chance that you're going to miss one of the three procs
- 18.4% chance that you will miss a recycle proc and Conserve TP won't proc at all
- 1.7% chance that you will miss a recycle proc, Conserve TP *does* proc but you don't get a useful amount of TP back
- 24% chance that Conserve TP will give you 5~20 TP back
To complicate things a bit further:
- 16% chance that you'll get back 10tp to cover two missed relic procs
- 8% chance to save three
- 1.6% for four

It's also interesting to note that this Conserve TP is effectively wasted if your x-hit is too finely tuned, which is worsened by relic WS not really benefiting from extra TP.

Anyway, that set I posted isn't high DPS because it magically has 100% relic procs-- it's high because STP is very valuable for RNG due to Conserve TP and strict x-hits in this environment just don't make a lot of sense.
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By Sylph.Talon 2014-02-11 01:02:25  
you have a 4 hit for annihilator suji?
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By lhova 2014-02-11 09:36:50  
i'm starting to feel confident about my Rng being AA VD and DM D ready but I wanted to know some opinions. I'm hearing a lot regarding only being able to use relic gun (or to a lesser extent relic bow) rangers for VD AA and D and VD DM. I am starting the process of building an Anni but that wont be finsihed for at least a month or 2 and I feel like my Rng could be ready now. On the dagger is Rnk 15 Str path the Ituit gloves have +5 Racc and the Scout's beret is enhanced +2. I know that I can further upgrade and I am but I'm asking whether the current set is good enough for the VD content. THank you.

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By Bismarck.Herzins 2014-02-11 09:47:47  
Bismarck.Marmite said: »
Bismarck.Inference said: »
Phoenix.Terasa said: »
anyone got updated gear sets for rng that has new af pieces that they can let me see.

PreShot:
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2 pages back.

What's the snapshot % on these boots?
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By Asura.Kormak 2014-02-11 09:50:45  
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What's the snapshot % on these boots?

3%
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By Bismarck.Marmite 2014-02-11 10:08:10  
lhova said: »
i'm starting to feel confident about my Rng being AA VD and DM D ready but I wanted to know some opinions. I'm hearing a lot regarding only being able to use relic gun (or to a lesser extent relic bow) rangers for VD AA and D and VD DM. I am starting the process of building an Anni but that wont be finsihed for at least a month or 2 and I feel like my Rng could be ready now. On the dagger is Rnk 15 Str path the Ituit gloves have +5 Racc and the Scout's beret is enhanced +2. I know that I can further upgrade and I am but I'm asking whether the current set is good enough for the VD content. THank you.

ItemSet 319128

ItemSet 319410

16 posts up, but I'll quote it for you.

Bismarck.Marmite said: »
For JR, Pyrosoul ring, Uk cap, and rancorus mantle. You will probably be better off using sylvan earring and a dex+3 of some kind.

For your tp set you should use orion beret +1 if you don't have scout's and sometimes it's a better option depending on your accuracy. It offers more accuracy and dps than sylvan, which should now stay on porter moogle.

Having relic bow/gun enables you to use a lot less r.acc gear (depending on buffs) and use more str/r.att gear. For example using Nahtirah Trousers and Ocachi Gorget will increase your DPS by a large amount. So you will never be on matching them for white damage.

Also Dawn Earring looks pretty hot for JR.
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