Endeavoring To Awaken --A Guide To Rune Fencer
Endeavoring to Awaken --A Guide to Rune Fencer
Well just tried some more experimenting. With Tellus + Pflug just get a reduced duration it seems (or just getting lucky and it has no effect). With Flabra + Pflug I got "resist!" message, with Flabra + Barstone but no Pflug I got evade message, also got a miss message.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
either one tbh. pflug doesnt show "resist!" messages, so it's not possible to distinguish. it sounds mostly like using the opposite rune just adds less resistance than using the resist rune, thus causing duration resists rather than full ones. could also be coincidence
You can also dump runes and retain the effect of ward if needed.
Enuyasha said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
either one tbh. pflug doesnt show "resist!" messages, so it's not possible to distinguish. it sounds mostly like using the opposite rune just adds less resistance than using the resist rune, thus causing duration resists rather than full ones. could also be coincidence
It doesn't add visible resistance. There's no viable reason to assume that the resistance added by Pflug is the same as normal elemental resistance, especially given the potency of Pflug for status ailments while it seems to affect magic damage at a much smaller rate, if at all.
Sylph.Dasanuffadat said: »
Well just tried some more experimenting. With Tellus + Pflug just get a reduced duration it seems (or just getting lucky and it has no effect). With Flabra + Pflug I got "resist!" message, with Flabra + Barstone but no Pflug I got evade message, also got a miss message.
The "Resist!" was likely from Tenacity, as I've yet to see it pop up regularly while Pflug is active. Just fully evaded Infrasonics 2 or so times with just Ignis + Pflug active, in between barblizzard casts, and evaded again after putting barblizzard back up as expected for an elemental resist. I have to go test later whether Pflug has any sort of effect on actual damage or if it really is a new type of resistance modifier solely for ailments, because so far I've noticed nothing out of it in regards to resisting elemental magic damage as a barspell would.
Good note on the getting rid of runes. Lunged with a Pflugged up Flabra and no Barstone. I'll see how long it takes to wear off.
Another thing of note: Totally forgot about Tenacity. That'll hurt testing even more >.<
Edit: Lasted 1 minute as opposed to the normal 3 or so for me under Tellus + Pflug.
Edit2: Did a couple more, same set up, same result. Slow never resisted or evaded with 0 earth resistance. Slow lasted at max 1m 52 sec with variation from a minimum of 1 minute with pflug up.
So I guess the more bar-element you have the higher chance at resisting/evading and the resisted element for the rune is what is taken into account for pflug. So Flabra's earth resist gives it resist/evade potential as well as reduces duration with Pflug up in case it doesn't get resisted?
Another thing of note: Totally forgot about Tenacity. That'll hurt testing even more >.<
Edit: Lasted 1 minute as opposed to the normal 3 or so for me under Tellus + Pflug.
Edit2: Did a couple more, same set up, same result. Slow never resisted or evaded with 0 earth resistance. Slow lasted at max 1m 52 sec with variation from a minimum of 1 minute with pflug up.
So I guess the more bar-element you have the higher chance at resisting/evading and the resisted element for the rune is what is taken into account for pflug. So Flabra's earth resist gives it resist/evade potential as well as reduces duration with Pflug up in case it doesn't get resisted?
I thought Pflug was an abbreviation this whole time xD
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I'm pretty sure Lunge can crit too. This would make Aas and Hecate even more worthwhile :o
Is it possible to shorten the duration of an enfeeble by using the barspell and ward after the enfeeble has already landed? I think it was the case for me last night with blind and paralyze but it was late and I wasn't sure if I was imagining it.
Duration is set at the time that the debuff lands, so no.
Sylph.Dasanuffadat said: »
Good note on the getting rid of runes. Lunged with a Pflugged up Flabra and no Barstone. I'll see how long it takes to wear off.
Another thing of note: Totally forgot about Tenacity. That'll hurt testing even more >.<
Edit: Lasted 1 minute as opposed to the normal 3 or so for me under Tellus + Pflug.
Edit2: Did a couple more, same set up, same result. Slow never resisted or evaded with 0 earth resistance. Slow lasted at max 1m 52 sec with variation from a minimum of 1 minute with pflug up.
So I guess the more bar-element you have the higher chance at resisting/evading and the resisted element for the rune is what is taken into account for pflug. So Flabra's earth resist gives it resist/evade potential as well as reduces duration with Pflug up in case it doesn't get resisted?
Another thing of note: Totally forgot about Tenacity. That'll hurt testing even more >.<
Edit: Lasted 1 minute as opposed to the normal 3 or so for me under Tellus + Pflug.
Edit2: Did a couple more, same set up, same result. Slow never resisted or evaded with 0 earth resistance. Slow lasted at max 1m 52 sec with variation from a minimum of 1 minute with pflug up.
So I guess the more bar-element you have the higher chance at resisting/evading and the resisted element for the rune is what is taken into account for pflug. So Flabra's earth resist gives it resist/evade potential as well as reduces duration with Pflug up in case it doesn't get resisted?
I was just thinking. The DEF down GS was mentioned on one of the last pages, but would the DEF down even proc with runes up? I wasn't sure if the additional effect takes precedence over the en-effect of runes but I thought it was worth asking before I looked into starting it.
Shiva.Spathaian said: »
I was just thinking. The DEF down GS was mentioned on one of the last pages, but would the DEF down even proc with runes up? I wasn't sure if the additional effect takes precedence over the en-effect of runes but I thought it was worth asking before I looked into starting it.
Good call. No I don't think it would, seeing is how Samba's don't activate while runes are up.
Pretty sure the Weapon Effect would eventually trump the runes, but there's also the fact that you can expend runes to lower elemental damage resistances, and to deal magic damage
The difference with Sambas and a Weapon effect, is the weapon effect is a primary, while the main job effect takes precedent over the subjob effect. (alteast this sounds like a logical argument to me)
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
The difference with Sambas and a Weapon effect, is the weapon effect is a primary, while the main job effect takes precedent over the subjob effect. (alteast this sounds like a logical argument to me)
What...? Unless I'm just reading you wrong here. I'm on run/dnc atm, and sambas don't proc, ever. That's how it should be, because runes are "enspells" and they take precedence over samba.
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
The difference with Sambas and a Weapon effect, is the weapon effect is a primary, while the main job effect takes precedent over the subjob effect. (alteast this sounds like a logical argument to me)
What...? Unless I'm just reading you wrong here. I'm on run/dnc atm, and sambas don't proc, ever. That's how it should be, because runes are "enspells" and they take precedence over samba.
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Pretty sure the Weapon Effect would eventually trump the runes, but there's also the fact that you can expend runes to lower elemental damage resistances, and to deal magic damage
Further more, runes even prevent normal enspells. You can have both buffs up, but only the rune en-dmg hits.
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
The difference with Sambas and a Weapon effect, is the weapon effect is a primary, while the main job effect takes precedent over the subjob effect. (alteast this sounds like a logical argument to me)
What...? Unless I'm just reading you wrong here. I'm on run/dnc atm, and sambas don't proc, ever. That's how it should be, because runes are "enspells" and they take precedence over samba.
No, I think this assumption is completely baseless. Unless you have honest proof of this, it sounds like some crazy theory.
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Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Pretty sure the Weapon Effect would eventually trump the runes, but there's also the fact that you can expend runes to lower elemental damage resistances, and to deal magic damage
Further more, runes even prevent normal enspells. You can have both buffs up, but only the rune en-dmg hits.
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Ragnarok.Zeromega said: »
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Pretty sure the Weapon Effect would eventually trump the runes, but there's also the fact that you can expend runes to lower elemental damage resistances, and to deal magic damage
Further more, runes even prevent normal enspells. You can have both buffs up, but only the rune en-dmg hits.
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Ragnarok.Zeromega said: »
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Pretty sure the Weapon Effect would eventually trump the runes, but there's also the fact that you can expend runes to lower elemental damage resistances, and to deal magic damage
Further more, runes even prevent normal enspells. You can have both buffs up, but only the rune en-dmg hits.
Endark lasts 3m too...
ignore the crazy person in the corner then.
Honest question.. Can lunge go through utsu? Idk if it's any special damage type or anything.
Does not go through Shadows, Lunge hits get eaten. Tested on a Yagudo Herald (Ninja) with shadows up, all 3 hits missed.
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Lunge is 3 hits?
Lunge can hit up to 3 times, depending on number of Runes stocked.
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Pretty sure the Weapon Effect would eventually trump the runes, but there's also the fact that you can expend runes to lower elemental damage resistances, and to deal magic damage
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Shiva.Spathaian said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Pretty sure the Weapon Effect would eventually trump the runes, but there's also the fact that you can expend runes to lower elemental damage resistances, and to deal magic damage
Yeah I think for that reason str/att might be best. That's a good catch there Spath. I didn't think of it til you said something.
Shiva.Spathaian said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Pretty sure the Weapon Effect would eventually trump the runes, but there's also the fact that you can expend runes to lower elemental damage resistances, and to deal magic damage
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