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By Boshi 2019-02-08 19:06:12  
tp bonus isn't really that good for crit ws anymore.
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By SimonSes 2019-02-08 19:57:15  
I meant Twashtar/TPbonus and use Rudra's ofc, not Evisceration.
It should still be a little better, than Kaja/Twashtar and Evisceration, but it would be really close. Well obviously if you solo then spaming Rudra's create Darkness, so overall damage will be much higher, but for zerg and looking only for DPS without SC, Kaja/Twashtar should only be very slightly behind Twashtar/Centovente.
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By DirectX 2019-02-10 10:25:55  
If I make this dagger for a mule and will not make any RMEA for it, what would be the best offhand? A Shijo?
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By SimonSes 2019-02-10 13:12:51  
DirectX said: »
If I make this dagger for a mule and will not make any RMEA for it, what would be the best offhand? A Shijo?

Probably taming?
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By Fenrir.Melphina 2019-02-10 15:27:48  
It's worth mentioning that when the final upgrade is released you'll be able to main hand that and dual wield a Kaja knife offhand. You just won't be able to have two final forms, akin to thfs who dual wielded Mandau/Batardeau in the lvl 75 era. That'll almost certainly be your best way to go in terms of time and effort to reward ratio. Granted the last stage isn't out yet, but if you don't need to gear up immediately and have the luxury of waiting another month or two it's by far the most efficient. Offhand Kaja knife is very comparable to taming in performance, so a final stage version in the mainhand with Kaja offhand is bound to be a stellar combo.
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By DirectX 2019-02-10 16:37:46  
You should keep quiet on that point or they'll just make the next stage augments only with the same name!
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2019-02-10 16:43:23  
DirectX said: »
If I make this dagger for a mule and will not make any RMEA for it, what would be the best offhand? A Shijo?

That or Taming. I'd mess around with either. If your goal is spamming 1k tp Eviscerations it may be hard to beat a Shijo path D, it's only 7 DEX and 1 TA less than Taming with crit rate/dmg on it.
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By Siren.Kyte 2019-02-10 16:49:44  
Melphina said:
That'll almost certainly be your best way to go in terms of time and effort to reward ratio.

I disagree. Shijo is pretty easy to get and clearly a better offhand provided you aren't regularly mixing in Aeolian Edges.
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By DirectX 2019-02-11 03:44:17  
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »
DirectX said: »
If I make this dagger for a mule and will not make any RMEA for it, what would be the best offhand? A Shijo?

That or Taming. I'd mess around with either. If your goal is spamming 1k tp Eviscerations it may be hard to beat a Shijo path D, it's only 7 DEX and 1 TA less than Taming with crit rate/dmg on it.
I was thinking the crit rate and damage would make it best too. You can get crit damage+6% Skinflayer too but not sure if that can be better than Shijo path D unless it had DEX and acc/attack also.
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By Nyarlko 2019-02-11 13:40:03  
DirectX said: »
You should keep quiet on that point or they'll just make the next stage augments only with the same name!

The next stage is an upgrade to the items themselves, with new graphics included. Stage after that will be augments.

I still expect that the final stage will actually lose the Rare tag and be Exclusive only, so there won't be any need to leave one gimped. :D
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-02-11 13:45:58  
It's more likely that the next stage will be the last (april) and that they won't get augments. "too much text" and there's no chance you can dw 2 maxed.
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By Staleyx 2019-02-11 14:32:21  
Anyone need a gandring?
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By Nyarlko 2019-02-11 15:10:07  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
It's more likely that the next stage will be the last (april) and that they won't get augments. "too much text" and there's no chance you can dw 2 maxed.

... The devs said as much during the last FP. >.>;; So yes, there is one more real upgrade stage, followed by augments at a later update.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-02-11 15:25:16  
If they do that, then they beat REMA

Another upgrade, AND augments, will beat half the rema for sure
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By Taint 2019-02-11 15:30:55  
Probably have rank25 REMA released at the same time or shortly after.
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By Nyarlko 2019-02-11 17:24:29  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
If they do that, then they beat REMA

Another upgrade, AND augments, will beat half the rema for sure

Depends on the augments. They didn't really seem all that hyped about the augs, and as long as the overall stats on Ambuscade weapons stay below the skill+269 tier, the devs will insist that "Ultimate Weapons" are still better.

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Probably have rank25 REMA released at the same time or shortly after.

These don't have AM/AG. So, they are weaker than current R15 augmented REMA by default as far as the devs are concerned. Don't hold your breath on increases in augment strength this year.
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By SimonSes 2019-02-11 19:02:09  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
If they do that, then they beat REMA

Another upgrade, AND augments, will beat half the rema for sure

Why?

Another upgrade can be just +3MAB, +5 acc/att/macc, 255 skill and +10 to next 3 stats (so they have +10 all stats). Augments can be mediocre too, like let say +5% DA, +5%WSD max.

In which case:
- GKT would still be meh
- Scythe would still be meh
- Axe is very good, but still only optional to REMA.
- Staff would still be meh
- Club might be the best melee club for some jobs (but probably not for jobs with REMA clubs)
- Sword is the best sword for some jobs, but again not really for jobs with rema swords
- Gsword would still be meh
- H2H would still be meh
- Gaxe would still be meh
- Polearm would still be meh (outside of situational use for sam and war)
- Katana woudl be ok, still behind Aeonic
- Bow would still be lolbow and macc piece for some jobs
- Dagger might be sometimes bis for THF, but only sometimes

I see only one weapon (dagger) that could potentially and situationally beat REMA for one job. If some of those weapons are bis, they are bis for jobs without access to REMA of that type.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-02-11 19:42:29  
It heavily depends on the augments they let these have

There's absolutely no way to predict what they'll do. They could have WSD +1000% yes, a thousand, or it could be attack +10, or negate damage +10, occasionally attacks 8 times, PDL+10 totally *** random.
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By SimonSes 2019-02-11 22:05:29  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
It heavily depends on the augments they let these have

There's absolutely no way to predict what they'll do. They could have WSD +1000% yes, a thousand, or it could be attack +10, or negate damage +10, occasionally attacks 8 times, PDL+10 totally *** random.

Good point, they can be everything, including shity ones, so why

Asura.Eiryl said: »
Another upgrade, AND augments, will beat half the rema for sure
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By Foxfire 2019-02-11 22:10:30  
because mandau sux
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-02-11 22:20:53  
Foxfire said: »
because mandau sux

Mandau is terrible and vajra is hotgarbage, so its not overly tough to beat them both.

kaja knife spaming evis probably beats them already

And when we go to abyssea v2 it'll stomp all 4 of em lol
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By drkanakin 2019-02-11 23:07:16  
Bismarck.Nickeny said: »
Ive gotten 22 once...

My normal is around 12-17

I just tag th with my crossbow... then use regular sets

Well the lie detector determine that was a motherfucking lie after a run I did today.
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By Asura.Evilddstroyer 2019-02-11 23:11:15  
i got 26 today as mnk/thf with trusts :D th4 set , good stuff counter build for higher th rate.
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By Bismarck.Ihinaa 2019-02-11 23:20:33  
Yeah well I've gotten 6 before full timing TH and kill all mobs on a card run before, so take that.
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By SimonSes 2019-02-12 03:08:00  
I got all my 1500 in 2 runs. They were dropping from trees. True story!

Seriously I would like someone with talent to make a comic about it. 4 different frames with 4 different experience during Omen farm :)
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By geigei 2019-02-12 03:39:28  
All my weapons r15 after i kneel facing NW during fullmoon on light day.
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By DaneBlood 2019-02-12 17:22:30  
Asura.Evilddstroyer said: »
i got 26 today as mnk/thf with trusts :D th4 set , good stuff counter build for higher th rate.

You only need one hit to land th4...
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2019-02-12 19:08:16  
drkanakin said: »
Bismarck.Nickeny said: »
Ive gotten 22 once...

My normal is around 12-17

I just tag th with my crossbow... then use regular sets

Well the lie detector determine that was a motherfucking lie after a run I did today.



So... you expect the same results and it didn't happen...
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2019-02-12 20:21:00  
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »
That or Taming. I'd mess around with either. If your goal is spamming 1k tp Eviscerations it may be hard to beat a Shijo path D, it's only 7 DEX and 1 TA less than Taming with crit rate/dmg on it.

Yeah, honestly this makes Taming a lot less appealing for non-RMEA THF. Still has a place for non-RMEA DNC offhand though.
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